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Roots of mass murder: Getting serious about stopping the psychotic
Jewish World Review ^ | 12/21/2012 | Charles Krauthammer

Posted on 12/21/2012 7:34:02 PM PST by Sioux-san

Every mass shooting has three elements: the killer, the weapon and the cultural climate. As soon as the shooting stops, partisans immediately pick their preferred root cause with corresponding pet panacea. Names are hurled, scapegoats paraded, prejudices vented. The argument goes nowhere.

Let’s be serious:

(1) The Weapon

Within hours of last week’s Newtown, Conn., massacre, the focus was the weapon and the demand was for new gun laws. Several prominent pro-gun Democrats remorsefully professed new openness to gun control. Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) is introducing a new assault weapons ban. And the president emphasized guns and ammo above all else in announcing the creation of a new task force.

I have no problem in principle with gun control. Congress enacted (and I supported) an assault weapons ban in 1994. The problem was: It didn’t work. (So concluded a University of Pennsylvania study commissioned by the Justice Department.) The reason is simple. Unless you are prepared to confiscate all existing firearms, disarm the citizenry and repeal the Second Amendment, it’s almost impossible to craft a law that will be effective....

(2) The Killer

Monsters shall always be with us, but in earlier days they did not roam free. As a psychiatrist in Massachusetts in the 1970s, I committed people — often right out of the emergency room — as a danger to themselves or to others. I never did so lightly, but I labored under none of the crushing bureaucratic and legal constraints that make involuntary commitment infinitely more difficult today.

Why do you think we have so many homeless? Destitution? Poverty has declined since the 1950s. The majority of those sleeping on grates are mentally ill. In the name of civil liberties, we let them die with their rights on.

(Excerpt) Read more at jewishworldreview.com ...


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KEYWORDS: awb; fail; krauthammer
I am ready for the large state institutions to be reopened -- much more humane than what is going on today for both the demon possessed (severely mentally ill) and innocent society.
1 posted on 12/21/2012 7:34:08 PM PST by Sioux-san
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To: Sioux-san

>> the demon possessed (severely mentally ill)

I accept the reality of evil people. No one disputes the existence of severely mentally ill individuals. The implication that severely mentally ill people are intrinsically evil is asinine.


2 posted on 12/21/2012 7:39:30 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Sioux-san
The four biggest sources of deaths which involve use of a firearm are:

1. Criminal on criminal

2. Suicide

3. Accidents ~ frequently with older, or worn firearms, and

4. Mentally ill shooters.

There's probably little to be done with the criminal on criminal stuff simply because the Democrats don't want to offend their families and lose those votes they need. it's pretty much the same problem with suicides. At the same time the best way to deal with accidental use of firearms is simply to collect old, nasty guns and replace them with new, working guns. Republicans will reject the idea of taking in the old guns, and Democrats will reject the idea of arranging for their replacement with new guns.

Then, there are the crazy people ~ again, the Democrats fear the loss of voters.

But those large state institutions might be useful ~ start rounding up Democrats, put them in the institution, give them drugs and electroshock therapy, and barrage them with NRA movies 24/7 ~

Getting the Democrat thought patterns out of the picture will make it possible for the rest of us to resolve the problems.

3 posted on 12/21/2012 7:44:12 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Sioux-san

won’t happen....way too expensive.

Lets just talk a lot of freedom and rights and let very sick people roam the streets and stay vulnerable..that is a lot cheaper..after all, we have to keep our welfare people well fed and happy.
there will be howling and yapping about how we need better mental health treatment..but that will be all.


4 posted on 12/21/2012 7:48:39 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Go Galt!)
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To: Sioux-san
The majority of those sleeping on grates are mentally ill. In the name of civil liberties, we let them die with their rights on.

BINGO!

5 posted on 12/21/2012 7:49:56 PM PST by lightman (If the Patriarchate of the East held a state like the Vatican I would apply for political asylum.)
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To: Sioux-san

I won’t hold my breath about violence in Hollywood or increased mental commitments. They always want to blame it on the firearms and who knows what they will do. It won’t prevent another incident, but it will make liberals feel better and that’s important in the new Amerika.

This article also ignores the impact of psychotropic drugs that are being abused by doctors, parents, and patients alike. That has not been mentioned in the Newtown incident, but it is certainly in the shadows.

Not the most profound piece from Charles outside of the mental health issues and he also fails to mention that most of these events happen in “gun-free zones.”


6 posted on 12/21/2012 7:51:50 PM PST by volunbeer (We must embrace austerity or austerity will embrace us)
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To: muawiyah
"older, or worn firearms"

Uh, you're going to have to provide a multitude of examples.

I know of any number of antique firearms that shoot just fine.

7 posted on 12/21/2012 7:53:12 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Sioux-san
much more humane than what is going on today for both the demon possessed (severely mentally ill) and innocent society.

No one is addressing those who become demon
possessed by prescribed pharmaceuticals.

SSRI mass murders


8 posted on 12/21/2012 7:53:50 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Sioux-san

This is getting to the point of absurdities. Does anyone actually believe the demon crat party would love to enact house by house confiscations of anything with a ‘clip’ to feed ammo to the firing chamber? Does anyone (Buehler?) believe the republicants are going to prevent the leftist run media and the commie regime in power from cancelling the Constitutional rights of We he People? Sane actions to try and minimize the next maniacs slaughterfest are not possible in the atmosphere being fomented to allow the commie regie to exploit the fools who run on emotion.


9 posted on 12/21/2012 7:56:08 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Sioux-san

This is getting to the point of absurdities. Does anyone actually believe the demon crat party would love to enact house by house confiscations of anything with a ‘clip’ to feed ammo to the firing chamber? Does anyone (Buehler?) believe the republicants are going to prevent the leftist run media and the commie regime in power from cancelling the Constitutional rights of We the People? Sane actions to try and minimize the next maniacs slaughterfest are not possible in the atmosphere being fomented to allow the commie regie to exploit the fools who run on emotion.


10 posted on 12/21/2012 7:56:30 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Paladin2
An example ~ one will prove the whole case. Tim McVeigh had a broken or mismatched home-patched pistol on theseat beside him when the cops stopped him.

The leftwingtards were ready to blame his pistol until they found out how nasty it was. This one was so bad they gave up that line of attack.

BTW, not all old and nasty firearms are antiques ~ many of them are simply old and nasty!

11 posted on 12/21/2012 7:58:58 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

No more expensive than where we are treating them now: state prisons and jails.


12 posted on 12/21/2012 8:05:59 PM PST by Sioux-san
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To: muawiyah

Now there you go - they do prove their dangerous lunacy on a daily basis. Good idea!


13 posted on 12/21/2012 8:08:15 PM PST by Sioux-san
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To: Sioux-san
Hennepin County sherriff Rich Stanek said the same thing:

After the meeting, Stanek said there's a "strong correlation" between mental illness and recent mass shootings that cannot be ignored. Stanek also says jails are becoming de facto treatment centers for the mentally ill "because there's no place else to put them." Stanek is president of the Major County Sheriffs' Association, composed of sheriffs from large counties across the U.S.

http://www.twincities.com/ci_22234040/minn-sheriff-meets-biden-gun-violence?IADID=Search-www.twincities.com-www.twincities.com

14 posted on 12/21/2012 8:18:07 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Sioux-san
The majority of those sleeping on grates are mentally ill.

Exactly.I can personally attest to that due to having worked in a big city ER for 20 years.I *personally* saw several of our schizophrenic "regulars" (all big city ER's have "regulars"...mostly mentally ill/alcoholic/heroin addicts) come in literally frozen to death.And there are other stories I could tell as well.Dr Krauthammer has a special credibility on this subject,being a trained psychiatrist himself.

In fact,I met him a couple of times while he attended Harvard Medical School...the hospital where I worked is one of Harvard's teaching hospitals.Very nice guy..an amazing guy,in fact.

15 posted on 12/21/2012 8:19:50 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (When Robbing Peter To Pay Paul,One Can Always Count On Paul's Cooperation)
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To: muawiyah

No, given your order above, you’ll have to show that worn, old firearms are a greater risk than demented firearm acquirers/users.


16 posted on 12/21/2012 8:30:29 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Sioux-san
Hennepin County sherriff Rich Stanek said the same thing:

After the meeting, Stanek said there's a "strong correlation" between mental illness and recent mass shootings that cannot be ignored. Stanek also says jails are becoming de facto treatment centers for the mentally ill "because there's no place else to put them." Stanek is president of the Major County Sheriffs' Association, composed of sheriffs from large counties across the U.S.

http://www.twincities.com/ci_22234040/minn-sheriff-meets-biden-gun-violence?IADID=Search-www.twincities.com-www.twincities.com

17 posted on 12/21/2012 8:34:55 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Paladin2
Actually, i want the government to get into the business of making sure people have the latest, greatest and best firearms they can get ~ no sense letting all that expertise at ATF go to waste.

People should be able to do a quick turnaround on old firearms ~ bring it in and get a new one that's better in every way.

18 posted on 12/21/2012 8:39:19 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Paladin2
BTW, the order has only to do with subsequent categorization by political interest. I don't have time to look up all the latest numbers, but i have donethat in the past. Broken and worn firearms are most commonly owned by black people ~ and they do suffer accidents on that account. The young criminal class have the good stuff. The older folks who are being preyed upon have the broken guns.

They should be assisted in defending themselves, and a good new firearm can do that job.

19 posted on 12/21/2012 8:43:55 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: MHGinTN

I bet they could figure out how to do that much quicker then rounding up all the legal citizens of foreign countries who have illegally entered the U.S.


20 posted on 12/21/2012 8:47:22 PM PST by This I Wonder32460
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To: muawiyah
"People should be able to do a quick turnaround on old firearms ~ bring it in and get a new one that's better in every way. "

No argument here.

21 posted on 12/21/2012 8:52:02 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Gene Eric
that "aspergers" syndrome thrown about was such a crock...totally NOT what aspergers is....

however, I will say this....when our dtr was first diagnosed as "pervasive development disorder" the psychiatrist said that sometimes these kids can develop schizophrenia in the upper teens or 20's....of course PDD became "aspergers"....(my dtr has never developed that)

this murderer was a total lunatic....he was also perfectly aware of what he was doing....he planned....he knew enough to know he had to kill himself to get out of it....

22 posted on 12/21/2012 9:49:43 PM PST by cherry
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To: MHGinTN
I am sure folks in Britain and Australia suffered from the same delusion you do. They were told one day to turn them all in.

μολὼν λαβέ


23 posted on 12/21/2012 10:37:42 PM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: wastoute

Molon Labe I understand (and live by), but the rest of your cryptic post is a mystery.


24 posted on 12/21/2012 11:52:34 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Sioux-san
Alex Jones, while a bit thick on the conspiracy angle, occasionally blurts out some gems. He described the stock media photo of the Connecticut school shooter as “looking like he's from mars”, and having seen it, have to agree with him. The kid was two and a half pounds of pissed off plutonium just sitting there, with guns his mom was too stupid to have locked up.
25 posted on 12/22/2012 1:10:17 AM PST by SpaceBar
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To: TurboZamboni

“Stanek also says jails are becoming de facto treatment centers for the mentally ill “because there’s no place else to put them.””

In the late ‘70’s the ACLU went to court saying that the patients then warehoused in insane asylums were having their constitutional rights violated. The ACLU won and the asylums were emptied onto the streets. (Where would hundreds of thousands of mentally ill people go?) The patients were given a bottle of medications which they most probably threw away as they were paranoid. Before this the only “homeless” I saw were the “free spirited” hippies trying to hang onto the ‘60’s. Suddenly the streets became a messy, dangerous place. This accelerated the flight of businesses into the suburbs. (It’s a lot harder for the homeless to work the crowd in a mall as security can run them off.)

In Tallahassee the homeless problem is so bad that armed police patrol the public buildings like the downtown library. A librarian told me there had been rapes behind the magazine rack and assaults were common. The corners, I’m told, stink of urine and the chairs have bed-bugs. The problem is due to a “homeless shelter” in the center of downtown. The county had offered a huge, pleasant facility at the count’s edge free in perpetuity if the center would move. The Mercedes driving, rich patrons and officers of the shelter said, “No, we want to keep the homeless problem ‘in-your-face’ until you solve it.” How, exactly, do you solve mental illness? Denver, for example, build homes for their homeless and moved them in with furniture. The homeless sold the furnishings and moved back to the streets. I wonder what part of “mentally ill” the liberals don’t understand.


26 posted on 12/22/2012 3:53:25 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: TurboZamboni

After the meeting, Stanek said there’s a “strong correlation” between mental illness and recent mass shootings that cannot be ignored. Stanek also says jails are becoming de facto treatment centers for the mentally ill “because there’s no place else to put them.” Stanek is president of the Major County Sheriffs’ Association, composed of sheriffs from large counties across the U.S.

I rest my case! Open the mental institutions they closed years ago the school system is not a mental institution.
Psychiatric hospitals in the United States also developed comprehensive health promotion services. In the 1990s, more than 62 percent of psychiatric hospitals offered patient education services. Outside of the hospital establishments, 35 percent of psychiatric hospitals were engaged in community health promotion, and an additional 37 percent in work-site health promotion.

http://business.highbeam.com/industry-

reports/business/psychiatric-hospitals
Key among the expanded service roster developed by psychiatric hospitals were programs that addressed the psychiatric and psychological problems of children and adolescents. In 1986 more than 20 percent of the patients in psychiatric hospitals were under 18 years old, and by the 1990s, more than 70 percent of psychiatric hospitals offered programs specially designed for this age group. Such programs emphasized outpatient care in an effort to encourage teens to seek treatment without the fear of inpatient hospitalization.

Psychiatric hospitals in the United States also developed comprehensive health promotion services. In the 1990s, more than 62 percent of psychiatric hospitals offered patient education services. Outside of the hospital establishments, 35 percent of psychiatric hospitals were engaged in community health promotion, and an additional 37 percent in work-site health promotion.


27 posted on 12/22/2012 3:59:45 AM PST by ronnie raygun (Being Breitbart)
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To: MHGinTN

You said you didn’t believe libtards favor total confiscation. I assure you they do.


28 posted on 12/22/2012 5:38:01 AM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: wastoute

Sorry I wasn’t clear: the current crop of anti-American democraps realistically will not try to institute total confiscation, but whatever the bastards try to legislate the republicants will not stand in their way since they too are violating their oaths to OUR Constitution and could care less about the Republic as founded.


29 posted on 12/22/2012 10:09:54 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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