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CA educators reject NRA call for guns in schools
edsource.org ^ | December 22, 2012 | Kathryn Baron

Posted on 12/22/2012 6:18:20 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe

California educators and Democratic politicians are rebuking the National Rifle Association for suggesting that more guns in schools would keep students, teachers and staff safer. The NRA broke its silence about the massacre of children and teachers last week at Connecticut’s Sandy Hook Elementary School, holding a news conference Friday in Washington, D.C.

“The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun,” said NRA executive vice president Wayne LaPierre in a quote heard around the country. He called on Congress to put armed police officers in every school in the country.

“In the wake of last week’s tragedy, it’s disheartening that anyone would think the answer is to have more guns in and around our schools,” said State Superintendent of Public Instruction Tom Torlakson in an email.

California Senate President pro Tempore Darrell Steinberg echoed the sentiment in a statement on his website saying, “The NRA’s suggestion that we militarize our schools is not the solution.”

But many California schools already have resource officers and armed police officers stationed on campus. A survey of about 300 school districts by EdSource last July found that 52 percent of the state’s high schools, 16 percent of middle schools and 5 percent of elementary schools already have police or resource officers. In high schools 83 percent of those officers are armed. That drops to 75 percent in middle schools and 59 percent in elementary schools.

In the San Francisco Unified School District, which has police or resource officers in all its high schools and middle schools, they aren’t really there for violence prevention, said longtime school board member Jill Wynns.

“The real purpose of having the resource officers is to connect the police to the students and the school,” she explained. “We think it’s important for students to know the police in their neighborhood, and we think we need relationships with them for that to be effective.”

Wynns said the San Francisco Police Department pays for the officers posted in schools, but regardless of who foots the bill – the district, the police, the federal or state government – the price tag is high. The National Association of School Resource Officers estimates it would cost between $80,000 and $100,000 per officer. With about 8,300 schools, the conservative estimate for California is about $668 million a year. The organization is also in general agreement with the NRA about the benefits of armed officers in schools. “A well-trained, armed, school-based police officer is one of the best defenses against an active shooter in a school,” wrote executive director Mo Canady in comments on the group’s home page.

Decisions on how to spend the limited funds available for education shouldn’t be made by the NRA, said Wynns. “In my personal view, we should be concerned that someone outside of school districts would say, ‘Oh yes, we should make a major investment in armed guards in our schools,’ but not in making sure that we have enough money for instruction.”

Schools also are generally safe places for children; despite the unimaginable horror of mass murders like those at Sandy Hook and Columbine. In cities, the streets are the most dangerous place. “Gun violence has haunted me my entire life,” U.S. Education Secretary Arne Duncan told PBS NewsHour reporter Gwen Ifill in an interview that aired Friday night. “I had a lot of mentors, good friends I grew up with, shot dead when I was growing up,” said Duncan, choking back tears.

More recently, when he was superintendent of Chicago Public Schools, Duncan said “we buried a child killed by gun violence every two weeks.” They weren’t shot in school, they were shot walking to school or, in one case, by a stray bullet fired by an automatic rifle that tore through a house one morning and killed a girl as she was getting ready for school.

When Ifill cited some elected officials, including governors, who said if teachers at Sandy Hook had been armed they might have been able to protect themselves and their students, Duncan disagreed. “We can’t fight evil with evil. We need less guns not more; we need schools gun free,” he said. America needs to have the conversation, said Duncan, adding, “I promise you, very very few teachers are asking for more guns in school.”


TOPICS: US: California
KEYWORDS: banglist; california; guncontrol; nra; secondamendment

1 posted on 12/22/2012 6:18:24 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
As predicted Democrats will argue that it's perfectly OK to let young children cower in the corner as the mad man comes around room by room and shoots all of them!

Liberalism is a mental disease; the Democrat party spreads it.

2 posted on 12/22/2012 6:23:06 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Why do people hire armed guards? Why do law enforcement officers carry guns? But our “educators” advocate what’s counter intuitive, and say our children are better off unprotected.


3 posted on 12/22/2012 6:29:01 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: Tailgunner Joe

We don’t need armed guards in all schools but we do need the option of armed personnel in all schools. Let the people in the individual school districts decide what hey want to do.

After all of the hundred thousand + schools in America, only the tiniest fraction of a percent have experienced a shooting and the number that have experienced mass shootings is only a fraction of that. There are probably 2 or 3 dozen schools in my county and not one has had a shooting that I can find.


4 posted on 12/22/2012 6:29:13 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

” Let the people in the individual school districts decide what hey want to do.”

They already are...my local HS has had one local cop and two State Troopers walking the halls since last Friday.


5 posted on 12/22/2012 6:42:26 AM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: ez
They already are...my local HS has had one local cop and two State Troopers walking the halls since last Friday.

Too bad the tax payers were forced to pay for them.

Can you remember the last time there was a mass shooting at that school?
6 posted on 12/22/2012 6:47:36 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

It would cost nothing to allow CCW licensed adults to carry concealed at school and to let carefully screened community volunteers “visit” the school for a few hours each week to keep the peace.


7 posted on 12/22/2012 6:48:32 AM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Liberals would rather let more kids be murdered so that they can have an excuse to seize legal guns from honest, law-abiding people and deliberately leave them in the hands of criminals.


8 posted on 12/22/2012 6:49:44 AM PST by I want the USA back (I know what I'm saying.)
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To: cripplecreek

Dang. There you go using facts. Eli Wallach paraphrase: “Facts? We don’t need no stinkin’ facts!” I actually heard some lib clown condemn the NRA for putting inanimate objects above children’s lives. Uh, hello. Aren’t you the same ones laying the responsibility on an inanimate object? Again, “driver” kills family of 4 in head on crash. Not the SUV. Man kills girlfriend with nail gun. Hmm, not the nail guns fault. Two killed by man with samurai sword. Not the swords fault. Man strangles baby and girlfriend in vicious attack. Not the ropes fault. But, sadly, this never enters their train of thought. Probably because they are so much more enlightened than us rubes.
Gotta get ready to go to the gun show. See ya later!!!

Helping keep mankind warm for 65 years.


9 posted on 12/22/2012 6:50:33 AM PST by rktman
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To: cripplecreek

The tax payers are paying for them anyway, I have no problem with them frequenting school grounds. In fact, patrolling school parking lots would be a fine way of seeing who is coming and going. I know of no shooting at the school and hope to keep it that way.
I have also spoken to several retired corrections officers who said they’d be glad to spend a few hours a week at a school in the interest of security. Not sure if they would even have to be paid at all.


10 posted on 12/22/2012 6:53:32 AM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The NRA "suggested" armed law enforcement be more prevalent ..... I like the idea of signs that read this is not a gun free zone. The parents that monitor the front doors when school is in session...should have a "hot button" that alerts the class rooms and police that there might be a nut on the lose...lock doors..appropriate action will be taken.
11 posted on 12/22/2012 6:53:51 AM PST by yoe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Of course these “educators” rejected the NRA’s plan.
These so-called educators are liberals. Their god is liberalism.

If another Newtown happens, God forbid, these “educators” will be to blame.


12 posted on 12/22/2012 6:54:53 AM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (November 6, 2012.....A day that will live in infamy!)
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To: ez
It would cost nothing to allow CCW licensed adults to carry concealed at school and to let carefully screened community volunteers “visit” the school for a few hours each week to keep the peace.

I agree, but this is CA and CCW's are nearly impossible to get in most of the state. The county I live in hands them out in great numbers, but most don't.

13 posted on 12/22/2012 6:54:53 AM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

California educators and Democratic politicians are rebuking the National Rifle Association for suggesting that more guns in schools would keep students, teachers and staff safer.

Did they rebuke President Clinton when he actually did it??.
You know darn well if yesterday that had been Obama that said this they would be falling all over themselves praising such a daring and bold move that was sure to solve the problem. What a bunch of hypocrite dumb asses..


14 posted on 12/22/2012 6:55:03 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

In the San Francisco Unified School District, which has police or resource officers in all its high schools and middle schools, they aren’t really there for violence prevention, said longtime school board member Jill Wynns.

HUH???? So if some evil nut bag comes in with a gun and starts shooting kids they are what? Going to stand around and watch..
Guess intelligence is not required to be on the school board


15 posted on 12/22/2012 6:58:10 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation
"If another Newtown happens, God forbid, these “educators” will be to blame."

The neat thing about the liberal creed is that nobody is accountable for anything. The educators could very well be directly responsible for another school security failure, but they would never shoulder any blame.

16 posted on 12/22/2012 6:58:49 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: ez
I know of no shooting at the school and hope to keep it that way.

LOL and who says its liberals who react based on emotion alone.
17 posted on 12/22/2012 7:01:01 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Then don’t call 911 the next time there’s a school shooting. Police coming with GUNS will obviously only make the situation worse.


18 posted on 12/22/2012 7:04:45 AM PST by Bob
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To: Tailgunner Joe

19 posted on 12/22/2012 7:17:16 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

“”they aren’t really there for violence prevention, said longtime school board member Jill Wynns.””

Seeing as how it’s San Francisco, they probably have to check their weapons before entering school grounds or buildings.


20 posted on 12/22/2012 7:18:00 AM PST by Thank You Rush
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To: Joe 6-pack

21 posted on 12/22/2012 7:27:02 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I don’t care at all what Californa says or does. That state is dead to me. And I was born and raised there (but had the good sense to escape from it in 1979).


22 posted on 12/22/2012 8:17:24 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
California Senate President pro Tempore Darrell Steinberg echoed the sentiment in a statement on his website saying, “The NRA’s suggestion that we militarize our schools is not the solution.”

Saw and heard that scumbag just after a televised debate in sacto in 1998. He said at that time that he would not give an inch to anything the NRA said, and would work against them at every level.

Funny thing is, when one goes to the state capitol, one must enter the door, facing an armed CHP. Then turn right, walking down a narrow walk with two more guards standing there, then stop at the metal detector, empty the pockets into the tray, and go through the detector, while another armed guard stands at the ready, then pick up the stuff, and walk ahead, past yet one more guard, then can step into the rotunda.

Guess his on job security is worth 5-10 fully paid (by the tax dollars of school age kid's parents)armed guards, but spare one for the local school? Gots to be kidding!

23 posted on 12/22/2012 8:28:40 AM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: muawiyah
Not to be snide but it's amazing the tone the media has taken.

Last week it was promoting ‘hero teachers’ willing to do anything to protect their students..

Now these teachers are too overburdened or unwilling(unreliable)to undergo CC courses.

Am I the only one who noticed this shift?

24 posted on 12/22/2012 8:40:17 AM PST by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: Tailgunner Joe

If guns in school to prevent gunmen is a dumb idea, I guess fire extinguishers in school to prevent fires is equally dumb.


25 posted on 12/22/2012 8:43:52 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
California Senate President pro Tempore Darrell Steinberg echoed the sentiment in a statement on his website saying, “The NRA’s suggestion that we militarize our schools is not the solution.”

But many California schools already have resource officers and armed police officers stationed on campus


Guess Senate President pro Tempore Steinberg needs to do his homework...
26 posted on 12/22/2012 8:44:50 AM PST by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: I want the USA back
Liberals would rather let more kids be murdered so that they can have an excuse to seize legal guns from honest, law-abiding people

Just heard on CNN from a constitutional expert (ha!) that the feds could use "Eminent domain" to get guns from their owners.

F'n unreal.

Into the rabbit hole we go Alice!!
27 posted on 12/22/2012 8:50:29 AM PST by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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California Senate President pro Tempore Darrell Steinberg echoed the sentiment in a statement on his website saying, “The NRA’s suggestion that we militarize our schools is not the solution.”

Obviously, Mr. Steinberg doesn't feel the same way about "militarization" of the county courthouses throughout the whole freakin' state of California; if Nicolae Ceauşescu had hardened his palace to the extent the my local California courthouse is now defended by layers of armed security, he's probably still be in power.

All that seems to be missing these days are sandbagged machine-gun emplacements, aprons of barbed wire, and an interlocking network of claymore mines outside the main entrances.

Hey, Steinberg ... how about we just provide our public schools with the same grade of security that you and your fellow statists enjoy at that palatial Sacramento Statehouse of yours; works for me.

28 posted on 12/22/2012 8:50:45 AM PST by SamKeck
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California Senate President pro Tempore Darrell Steinberg echoed the sentiment in a statement on his website saying, “The NRA’s suggestion that we militarize our schools is not the solution.”

California Senator Barbara Boxer made essentially the same proposal two days earlier by calling for national guard troops in every school. Not a peep from the liberals then, nor do they mention her when criticizing the NRA.

And ftr there is a northern California school district (Richmond) that DOES employ armed securirty at all their middle & high schools and it has been effective.

29 posted on 12/22/2012 9:19:11 AM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

California = Hysteria


30 posted on 12/22/2012 9:26:45 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: Travis McGee

Indeed no safer place to kill than a gun free zone.


31 posted on 12/22/2012 9:27:53 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: Tailgunner Joe
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32 posted on 12/22/2012 9:57:41 AM PST by MtnMan101
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I live in a up-scale community in Northern California. We have no violence in our schools, but at least at the high school level, all our schools have the town’s cops there each and every day. They are called “community resource officers, but they arrive in a police car, and carry weapons. I think that their main “mission” is drug interdiction, but they are still there with their weapons. So it’s just nonsense that at some level we don’t already have armed personnel in our schools. I am betting that in the poorer, more crime ridden areas of the state, there are cops at the elementary schools as well. Darrell Steinberg has always been FOS!


33 posted on 12/22/2012 10:09:00 AM PST by vette6387
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Remember, this the State that had a Ballot Measure to raise Taxes to add more Police. It was actually a Ballot Measure to add more Dues to the Police Union coffers, but I digress.

They ran a Commercial showing a Woman cowering in her Bedroom as an Intruder was trying to break down the locked door. She was dialing 9-1-1 and getting a Busy Signal. The fear on her face was meant to convey that she was doomed.

Of course, in my reality, the Woman would have reached into the Nightstand and pulled our a 357 Mag. She then would have waited for 9-1-1 to answer the call so she could tell them where to pickup the Body of the Perp.

Liberals are Idiots and there are more of them than us. That is the new Reality we have to live with.

They will never be satisfied until they control every facet of our lives. They are Nazis armed with Smartphones that are linked 24/7 to their Digital Propaganda Networks, Facebook, Twitter and Whitehouse.org.


34 posted on 12/22/2012 10:25:35 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (They Live, and we're the only ones wearing the Sunglasses...)
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