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Threat to private gun sales might be greater than threat to 'assault weapons'
St. Louis Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 20 December, 2012 | Kurt Hofmann

Posted on 12/22/2012 10:01:38 AM PST by marktwain

In the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre, and its reprehensibly cynical exploitation by advocates of forcible citizen disarmament, decent American citizens have been preparing to defend against an all-out onslaught on so-called "assault weapons" and "high capacity" magazines. This is understandable.

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Private sales--the so-called "gun show loophole," despite the fact that even anti-gun groups are no longer trying to hide the fact that they want to ban all private sales, whether at gun shows or not--might be a different story. The guns used in the Connecticut school massacre were not purchased at a gun show, and certainly not purchased without a background check (and the purchaser, Nancy Lanza, would apparently have been very unlikely to be found "unsuitable" to purchase firearms even under the ever more restrictive and intrusive background checks pushed by anti-gun fanatics).

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; confiscation; constitution; guncontrol; registration; secondamendment
Private sales are the safety valve that prevents effective gun registration.

Gun registration is gun confiscation.

1 posted on 12/22/2012 10:01:49 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain
Private sales are the safety valve that prevents effective gun registration.

After I recently lost all of my handguns in a boating accident, I felt that I was no longer responsible enough to own any firearm. I recently sold all of my long guns directly to a friend. Now I have no fear of gun registration.

2 posted on 12/22/2012 10:07:44 AM PST by ConservativeInPA (It is impossible to have a good faith negotiations with terrorists or any Muslim.)
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To: marktwain
Interesting competing articles from deep within the nanny state:

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/gun-bans-a-lesson-we-can-teach-20121222-2bspf.html

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/anarchy-of-a-gang-and-two-ak47s-20121222-2bsjz.html

3 posted on 12/22/2012 10:08:30 AM PST by MrBambaLaMamba (This Message Contains Privileged Attorney-Client Communications)
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To: marktwain

There is no such thing as a “gun show loophole”.....in my state, it is not illegal for a private citizen to sell a weapon to another citizen, whether in his home, in a grocery store parking lot, or at a Gun Show.

Common sense dictates that the seller should exercise due diligence in determining whether the buyer is legally allowed to own a weapon, but it is not a requirement that the seller do a NICS check on the buyer.

The moniker is specious bullshit and just a canard to excite the easily excitable..


4 posted on 12/22/2012 10:13:45 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: ConservativeInPA

Lots of people lose their guns in boating accident. Mine fell into a volcano.


5 posted on 12/22/2012 10:25:56 AM PST by manic4organic (It was nice knowing you, America.)
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To: marktwain

I agree. And the only way they can prevent private sales is to register all guns.

In terms of recent shootings and such, the ending of private sales is meaningless. In terms of gun confiscation and disarming the populace, the registration involved is everything.

I think they hope this will not be seen as the final line in the sand for most gun owners. I think they will be wrong about that.

Besides the likely probability of CWII and such erupting out of this quasi-stealth subversion of the 2nd Amendment, the back-up plan for many who plan to join “The Resistance” will be to have gun safes containing only a revolver, a bolt action hunter, and a hunting shotgun when they come for them - if the safes contain anything at all - with the really useful guns skillfully buried nearby off-site. I don’t think the gov will be able to metal-detect/mine-sweep the entire country.

Short of outright CWII or SHTF, if it comes to martial law and a citizen Resistance then the book “Total Resistance” is a good reference to have and to memorize. If sales are not out the roof on this book by now, they ought to be.


6 posted on 12/22/2012 10:34:39 AM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: manic4organic
Mine fell into a volcano.

I slipped and bumped my head now I have no recollection. Oh well off to a wine tasting ttfn,

7 posted on 12/22/2012 10:44:43 AM PST by DaveyB (Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. -John Adams)
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To: manic4organic
Mine fell into a volcano.

Probably on the way to get glimpse of Obama in Hawaii like a good citizen paying homage to the anointed one :)

8 posted on 12/22/2012 10:49:29 AM PST by ConservativeInPA (It is impossible to have a good faith negotiations with terrorists or any Muslim.)
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To: Gaffer

With all due respect, that’s not all the phrase is. It was designed to obfuscate the true purpose of the gun grabbers: to ban private sales. It’s incumbent on all of us to point out their lies, and at least try to deflate the free ride that they’ve been getting.

Gun show loophole? OK, fine, require FFL’s for all transactions at gun shows. But preserve private sales at all costs.

And folks, it’s not just your guns you need to protect. It’s your children and grandchildren.

Molon Labe!


9 posted on 12/22/2012 10:53:07 AM PST by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: absalom01
OK, fine, require FFL’s for all transactions at gun shows. But preserve private sales at all costs.

But will we still be able to get those Eric Holder commemorative edition arms from Mexico?

10 posted on 12/22/2012 10:58:03 AM PST by DaveyB (Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. -John Adams)
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To: absalom01

I realize the phrase and its intended purpose. My belief is that the counter to any mention of it is to outright declare loudly that there is no “loophole” all private sales (of which these sales between individuals that happen to be at gun shows are) are legal. I agree it is an underhanded and devious way to outlaw private sales. Half my collection is from private sales, and judging by the events coming, I’m damned glad they are.


11 posted on 12/22/2012 10:58:19 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: marktwain

Exactly. Private sales are private. Without registration there is no way to enforce background checks on private sales.

Let them try for registration. BHO cannot do it by executive order and that dog won’t hunt in either house of Congress. He’s going to likely go after high capacity mags.


12 posted on 12/22/2012 11:20:06 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: marktwain

I’ve said this here many times. Buy from someone who is selling so that you will have one that the imperial federal government commie cop thieves will not know that you have it. I will not give up all my guns. I will have something to protect us with after they drag them out of us. I fully expect the government to have the IRS involved in the guns grab. They will tax you to death till you give them up. They know what we have when we bought them. They will say till you turn those in, you pay 50 or 75% in fed taxes or something like that. No need to go door to door. It is coming. All the other stuff we feared coming has come, so shall this.


13 posted on 12/22/2012 11:23:21 AM PST by RetiredArmy (1 Cor 15: 50-54 & 1 Thess 4: 13-17. That about covers it.)
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To: marktwain

Is there any evidence that any of the recent guns were purchased at gun shows? No?

Then why is this even being discussed?


14 posted on 12/22/2012 11:39:53 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: Gaffer
Speaking of gun shows, my brother and I ran by the (1000 table) KC Gun Show today. Got there at 8:10 and the line was over 100 people. AR's were gone completely (the few there even were) by 8:45. AKs were completely gone by noon. Some 7.62 ammo was there, but no .223/5.56 in the entire place.

I'm glad that the "majority of Americans support sensible gun control." /sarc

15 posted on 12/22/2012 11:41:49 AM PST by mykroar (BAD-ANON: One Game At A Time)
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To: ConservativeInPA
I recently sold all of my long guns directly to a friend. Now I have no fear of gun registration.

Unless you got your friend a lifetime supply of ammo, you might want to be concerned about accompanying ammo registration, or, as it will one day be called, "kid-killer paraphernalia".
16 posted on 12/22/2012 11:42:59 AM PST by Dr. Sivana ("C'est la vie" say the old folks, it goes to show you never can tell. -- Chuck Berry)
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To: DaveyB

Without warning, a dust devil of unusual size (DDOUS) came upon me whilst I was engaged in the business of cleaning and oiling my sundry firearms, and in a burst of pandemonium absconded with my treasured armaments, whisking them high up into the atmosphere until they finally disappeared from my sight. I am sorry to report that I haven’t the slightest idea where they finally alighted. I miss them dearly.

Cursed Arizona weather.


17 posted on 12/22/2012 11:55:21 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Those blasted DDOUS’s. Some folks talk of one that went right through Washington DC and sucked away the Bill of Rights and then spat out just the bill.


18 posted on 12/22/2012 12:19:10 PM PST by DaveyB (Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. -John Adams)
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To: Gaffer

Dark days ahead, indeed.

But let’s make ‘em fight for every inch of ground.


19 posted on 12/22/2012 4:29:16 PM PST by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Let them try for registration. BHO cannot do it by executive order and that dog won’t hunt in either house of Congress. He’s going to likely go after high capacity mags.

Good luck on that. There are probably hundreds of thousands of magazines in circulation out there right now with carloads more pouring out every day. A goodly percentage of them greater than ten round capacity, some (SureFire 60 & 100 rounds) a lot more. How could they ever expect to round them all up? I know that my battery of .22LR long guns w/ tubular magazines will pass muster but I feel sorry for anyone who spent $125 for a sixty round SureFire AR-15 mag, because the Feds will demand he turn it in so they can feed it to the crusher.

Regards,
GtG

20 posted on 12/22/2012 6:04:30 PM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: DaveyB

>>”Mine fell into a volcano.”

>>”I slipped and bumped my head now I have no recollection. Oh well off to a wine tasting ttfn.”

Was there a strange ring involved? An unusual creature saying “My Precious!!”??

Just wondering. I am glad you did not fall in as well.


21 posted on 12/22/2012 10:24:36 PM PST by Only1choice____Freedom (As long as America's tolerence of failure is not overwhelmed by a desire to succeed, we will fail.)
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To: manic4organic
Lots of people lose their guns in boating accident. Mine fell into a volcano.

At least you have considerably more imagination from the others. They just keep on posting the same ol' sh*t. You'd think they would tire of it but they don't.

22 posted on 12/23/2012 3:46:13 PM PST by OldPossum
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