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Police Wonder If They’ll Need To Confiscate Assault Weapons In Event Of Ban
CBS New York ^ | December 22, 2012 | Marla Diamond

Posted on 12/22/2012 4:32:01 PM PST by barmag25

Amid talk of reinstating the assault weapons ban that expired eight years ago, police departments nationwide are thinking of ways to confiscate such weapons.

As WCBS 880’s Marla Diamond reported, among the departments considering taking action is the NYPD. Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said if Congress were to reinstate the ban, police are wondering whether it will be their responsibility to confiscate them.

(Excerpt) Read more at newyork.cbslocal.com ...


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To: barmag25

241 posted on 12/23/2012 12:09:55 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("Give 'em Watts, boys!")
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To: Steve Newton

massive crisis == opportunity for drastic change quickly


242 posted on 12/23/2012 12:35:20 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: barmag25

#bump

Customers Who Bought "AR-15" Also Bought


243 posted on 12/23/2012 12:58:40 AM PST by greedo ( http://youtu.be/9eB21y6qcoY {Bell Carol})
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To: barmag25

Any attempt to confiscate legally-purchased private property would be a blatant violation of the Bill of Rights, and therefore quite illegal; it would also be, in any case, exceedingly ill-advised.

Let us hope our “Government Masters” won’t initiate any such poorly though-out plan.


244 posted on 12/23/2012 2:43:07 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: oldtimer

The average rifle hunter shots rifle caliber combo’s that are more than capable of shooting softball size targets at 300 yards. Softballs are smaller than blue helmets.


245 posted on 12/23/2012 3:24:15 AM PST by Dusty Road
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Thats minimal ballistic’s for your basic deer rifle, I push 30 cal 150’s over 3500 fps. Ya gotta love Roy Weatherby!


246 posted on 12/23/2012 3:37:59 AM PST by Dusty Road
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To: Red Steel

You said;
“This would be in direct violation of the US Constitution. Section 9, paragraph 3 of Article I says, “No Bill of Attainder or ex-post facto Law shall be passed.”
WRONG IT’S;
Article 1 - The Legislative Branch
Section 10 - Powers Prohibited of States
No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.


247 posted on 12/23/2012 3:46:33 AM PST by alphadog (2nd Bn. 3rd Marines, Vietnam, class of 68)
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To: smokingfrog

I fear that’s what’s coming: a ban on everything. Which’ll do nothing to stop, and actually allow for more, massacres. If so, this is going to get real, real ugly, and isn’t going to end well for any of us.


248 posted on 12/23/2012 3:48:46 AM PST by Carriage Hill (Have A Very Merry Christmas & A Happy New Year!)
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To: GreyHoundSailor
Buy a disposable phone from walmart with cash and if they ask for a name and address give them this:


249 posted on 12/23/2012 4:09:49 AM PST by GraceG
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To: goorala
"Although the Constitution seems irrelevant to these folks, I refer them to Article 1, Section 9, Clause 3. I believe confiscating guns that were legally purchased would violate the prohibition of ex post facto, as well as the 2nd amendment."

I refer you to Article II, Section 5, Clause 1.

You don't actually believe that either major party gives a sh#* about the Constitution, do you?

Supreme Court cases that cite “natural born Citizen” as one born on U.S. soil to citizen parents:

The Venus, 12 U.S. 8 Cranch 253 253 (1814)

Vattel, who, though not very full to this point, is more explicit and more satisfactory on it than any other whose work has fallen into my hands, says: “The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens. Society not being able to subsist and to perpetuate itself but by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.

Shanks v. Dupont, 28 U.S. 3 Pet. 242 242 (1830)

Ann Scott was born in South Carolina before the American revolution, and her father adhered to the American cause and remained and was at his death a citizen of South Carolina. There is no dispute that his daughter Ann, at the time of the Revolution and afterwards, remained in South Carolina until December, 1782. Whether she was of age during this time does not appear. If she was, then her birth and residence might be deemed to constitute her by election a citizen of South Carolina. If she was not of age, then she might well be deemed under the circumstances of this case to hold the citizenship of her father, for children born in a country, continuing while under age in the family of the father, partake of his national character as a citizen of that country. Her citizenship, then, being prima facie established, and indeed this is admitted in the pleadings, has it ever been lost, or was it lost before the death of her father, so that the estate in question was, upon the descent cast, incapable of vesting in her? Upon the facts stated, it appears to us that it was not lost and that she was capable of taking it at the time of the descent cast.

Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857)

The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As society cannot perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their parents, and succeed to all their rights.' Again: 'I say, to be of the country, it is necessary to be born of a person who is a citizen; for if he be born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country. . . .

Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162 (1875)

The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.

United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)

At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children, born in a country of parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.

Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939),

Was a decision by the Supreme Court of the United States that a child born in the United States to naturalized parents on U.S. soil is a natural born citizen and that the child's natural born citizenship is not lost if the child is taken to and raised in the country of the parents' origin, provided that upon attaining the age of majority, the child elects to retain U.S. citizenship "and to return to the United States to assume its duties." Not only did the court rule that she did not lose her native born Citizenship but it upheld the lower courts decision that she is a "natural born Citizen of the United States" because she was born in the USA to two naturalized U.S. Citizens.

But the Secretary of State, according to the allegation of the bill of complaint, had refused to issue a passport to Miss Elg 'solely on the ground that she had lost her native born American citizenship.' The court below, properly recognizing the existence of an actual controversy with the defendants [307 U.S. 325, 350] (Aetna Life Ins. Co. v. Haworth, 300 U.S. 227 , 57 S.Ct. 461, 108 A.L.R. 1000), declared Miss Elg 'to be a natural born citizen of the United States' (99 F.2d 414) and we think that the decree should include the Secretary of State as well as the other defendants. The decree in that sense would in no way interfere with the exercise of the Secretary's discretion with respect to the issue of a passport but would simply preclude the denial of a passport on the sole ground that Miss Elg had lost her American citizenship."

The Supreme Court of the United States has never applied the term “natural born citizen” to any other category than “those born in the country of parents who are citizens thereof”.

250 posted on 12/23/2012 4:44:35 AM PST by Godebert (No Person Except a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!)
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To: driftdiver

I plan on getting either a Springfield XD40 or a Sig P229 in .40 in the next couple of weeks.


251 posted on 12/23/2012 4:47:18 AM PST by GeorgiaDawg32
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To: Psalm 73; Drill Thrawl

80 million legal gun owners in the U.S.

If even 90% of us give up our guns willingly (and I certainly doubt the number would be that high) that leaves 8 million.

Where will the personnel come from to raid 8 million people’s homes?


252 posted on 12/23/2012 4:58:30 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (I want a hippopotamus for Christmas! Only a hippopotamus will do!)
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To: Mr. Silverback

“80 million legal gun owners in the U.S.”

Agreed. These Libtards are living in Fairey Land - they just wave their magical ObamaWand and it be so..............


253 posted on 12/23/2012 5:07:27 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: VeniVidiVici

I’m sure the families of those killed by armed maniacs in Scotland, France, Belgium, Germany and Norway in recent years are greatly comforted by Mayor Bloomberg’s words.


254 posted on 12/23/2012 5:08:04 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (I want a hippopotamus for Christmas! Only a hippopotamus will do!)
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To: The_Reader_David
IIRC thermite is merely aluminum and rust.

Kind of hard to ban or confiscate that...

Cheers!

255 posted on 12/23/2012 5:09:34 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: yarddog

John Basilone.

The amazing thing about Basilone is not only that he did that, but that the action he died in would have probably won him a posthumous MOH if he hadn’t already had one.


256 posted on 12/23/2012 5:15:13 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (I want a hippopotamus for Christmas! Only a hippopotamus will do!)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude
Ever since I saw Terminator 2 with Arnold Schwarzenegger, I wondered about that: didn't he just aim for the knees?

But I guess that wouldn't work in real life due to the disorientation of "flash-bangs" and the difficulty of aiming like a cyborg when you're only a human.

Ain't Hollywood grand?

Cheers!

257 posted on 12/23/2012 5:16:06 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Mr. Silverback

He died later at Iwo


258 posted on 12/23/2012 5:24:25 AM PST by alphadog (2nd Bn. 3rd Marines, Vietnam, class of 68)
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To: Mr. Silverback

He later died at Iwo


259 posted on 12/23/2012 5:25:36 AM PST by alphadog (2nd Bn. 3rd Marines, Vietnam, class of 68)
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To: stickywillie

“what will it take to penetrate one of those vehicles?”

About a pound each of Finely ground rust and aluminum, put
in a clay pot and a piece of magnesium from a flash bulb as
a fuse.


260 posted on 12/23/2012 5:35:56 AM PST by Slambat (The right to keep and bear arms. Anything one man can carry, drive or pull.)
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