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Sen. Joe Manchin: Between Obama and the NRA, another path to stopping mass violence
Washington Post ^ | December 21, 2012 | Joe Manchin III

Posted on 12/23/2012 8:57:15 PM PST by neverdem

In the days after the horrific tragedy in Newtown, Conn., I made it clear that I believe it is time for us to move from rhetoric to action to prevent future acts of senseless mass violence.

Since then, much has been made of those comments — some of it accurately reflecting what I said, some not. Because I am an A-rated, lifelong member of the National Rifle Association and a proud defender of the Second Amendment, some people viewed my comments as a tipping point in the debate about guns in America.

The true tipping point, of course, is what happened in that elementary school on Dec. 14 — the unimaginable slaughter of 20 children and the teachers and staff members who were defending them. When children die tragically, it rips at our very hearts. Even in our grief, we demand a reckoning.

That reckoning is now upon us, and we owe it to those children and their families to take it seriously. As a nation, we must reconsider the treatment of the mentally ill. We must challenge a popular culture that accepts stomach-churning violence in our movies and video games. We must look at the use of high-capacity ammunition magazines and military-style assault weapons.

Committed gun owners like me can and must listen to reasonable ideas about preventing mass violence. But whatever steps we take must be comprehensive — and must bring the entertainment industry and mental health community to the table. We cannot snap our fingers, push one-track legislation that focuses exclusively on guns and pat ourselves on the back. Such an approach certainly won’t fare well in Congress. More important, it won’t fully address the problem...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: West Virginia
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; manchin; secondamendment
Bonehead, you're not going to help using the BS media's lingo. You're letting them define the terms of debate!
1 posted on 12/23/2012 8:57:23 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Is Joe up for reelection in 10 ?

Time to find a real conservative to run against him.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=evEg1VNfX3o&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Ffeature%3Dendscreen%26NR%3D1%26v%3DevEg1VNfX3o


2 posted on 12/23/2012 9:05:11 PM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: neverdem
So, joe...I guess we weren't wrong about what you said after all, hmmm?


3 posted on 12/23/2012 9:09:07 PM PST by MestaMachine (It's the !!!!TREASON!!!!, stupid!)
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To: Squantos

Not until 2018, unfortunately.


4 posted on 12/23/2012 9:19:01 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: neverdem

“I don’t know anyone that needs 30 rounds in a clip to go hunting. I mean, these are things that need to be talked about.”

another knee jerk idiot trying to confuse people with hunting instead of tyranny prevention...lets talk you resign...you broke your oath.


5 posted on 12/23/2012 9:23:42 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: neverdem

I don’t hunt at all, Joe.

My guns are for criminals and tyrants.

I do not want or need you representing me or my rights any longer, because you are a dishonest person.

You are fired.


6 posted on 12/23/2012 9:29:27 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: rolling_stone
that’s correct. The 2nd amendment is not about hunting
7 posted on 12/23/2012 9:29:35 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: rolling_stone

Tyranny prevention AND Self Defense.

Anyone claiming you do not need High Capacity Ammunition Magazines for Self Defense is clearly lying on behalf of the gun grabbing agenda, IMO.


8 posted on 12/23/2012 9:32:23 PM PST by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: chris37

Munchkin is history in WVA.. Bye Bye girly man.


9 posted on 12/23/2012 9:33:59 PM PST by willowdean
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To: MestaMachine

10 posted on 12/23/2012 9:41:10 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: rolling_stone

Was the CT slaughter an epic tragedy? Absolutely. Is slaughtering more than a million alive children a tragedy? Apparently, not to too many of these exploitative politiwhores like Joe.


11 posted on 12/23/2012 9:46:27 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: neverdem
We must look at the use of high-capacity ammunition magazines and military-style assault weapons.

The NRA needs to downgrade this mental slug to an F- rating.

12 posted on 12/23/2012 9:54:13 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: neverdem
"We must look at the use of high-capacity ammunition magazines and military-style assault weapons."

By all means, Joe. Let's look at their use.

Do promise us, though, that you won't break out in a sweat when the data shows that mililtary-style assault weapons" (as you so fear mongeringly put it) are used in less homicides than handguns or knives.

13 posted on 12/23/2012 9:58:23 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: willowdean

Yeah, I really do not get these fools.

Do they think every person who buys a gun is a hunter and purchasing that gun to hunt with?

Not too many people hunt with pistols. Tactical shotguns are generally not for duck hunting.

The .223 round is generally not considered effective for large game.

I am rapidly losing my love for represenative government, because I do not need some dishonest moron to represent me at all.

Any politicans that attack the 2nd amendment in any way or attempt to infringe upon the right of the people to bear arms is an enemy of freedom.


14 posted on 12/23/2012 10:01:21 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: neverdem

Maybe Joe can convince congress to have a meaningful discussion on vehicle capacity. Minivans are high capacity vehicles. Therefore they must be more dangerous to the general public than two seat roadster type vehicles.


15 posted on 12/23/2012 10:04:48 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Travis McGee

I read somewhere the other day that an astonishing 2% of that staggering 358 deaths by rifle were by rifles fitting the so-called “assault weapon” description. Amazing. Why haven’t we trampled 300 million peoples’ Constitutionally protected rights and spit on the graves of all who have fought and died to protect those rights before now?


16 posted on 12/23/2012 10:05:07 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Travis McGee

A West Virginia Pro Gun Rights group protested in front of Manchins office in Charleston on Saturday. I was glad to have been a part of it. https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/WVCDL/
http://www.wvgazette.com/News/201212220108?page=1


17 posted on 12/23/2012 10:13:17 PM PST by WVNight (We havn't played Cowboys and Muslims yet....)
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To: Travis McGee

 The CDC recorded in 2008, a total of 2,471,984 resident deaths in the United States.

Deaths, by the numbers:

Abortion: 825,564 (1.2 million estimated by the National Right to Life)

Heart disease: 616,828

Cronic respiratory disease: 141,090

Diabetes: 70,553

Pneumonia: 54,562

Motor-vehicle Accidents: 39,790

Septicemia (infection): 35,927

Accidental poisoning and exposure to noxious substances: 31,116

Falls: 24,013

Intentional self-harm (suicide) by discharge of firearms: 18,223

Intentional self-harm (suicide) by other: 17,812

Alcoholic liver disease: 14,864

Emphysema: 12,448

Intestinal infections: 7,876

Viral hepatitis: 7,629 (more than were murdered with handguns)

Assault (homicide) by other: 5,649

Accidental drowning: 3,548

Malnutrition: 2,760

Influenza: 1,722

Accidental discharge of firearms: 592

(FBI Data) Murders with firearms: 8,775

(FBI Data) Murders with handguns: 6,009

(FBI Data) Murders with knives: 1,704

(FBI Data) Murders where the offender had multiple victims: 759

(FBI Data) Murders with personal weapons (hands, fits & feet): 745

(FBI Data) Murders with blunt objects like clubs & hammers: 540

(FBI Data) Murders with rifles: 358


18 posted on 12/23/2012 10:13:30 PM PST by kcvl
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To: neverdem

In 2008 and 2009, gun homicide was the leading cause of death among black teens.

Young black males die from gun violence at a rate 2.5 times higher than Latino males, and eight times higher than white males. Gun injuries are suffered by black teens at a rate ten times higher than white teens.


19 posted on 12/23/2012 10:22:29 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Travis McGee
Somebody should send that image to Megyn Kelley.

Along with the statistic that, since gun laws started being liberalized in the early 1990s, the murder rate has dropped by two thirds.

20 posted on 12/23/2012 10:23:30 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Islam offers us choices: convert or kill, submit or die.)
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To: kcvl

21 posted on 12/23/2012 10:25:48 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: neverdem

• The United States has the highest gun ownership rate in the world — an average of 88 per 100 people. That puts it first in the world for gun ownership — and even the number two country, Yemen, has significantly fewer – 54.8 per 100 people

• But the U.S. does not have the worst firearm murder rate — that prize belongs to Honduras, El Salvador and Jamaica. In fact, the U.S. is number 28, with a rate of 2.97 per 100,000 people

• Puerto Rico tops the world’s table for firearms murders as a percentage of all homicides — 94.8%. It’s followed by Sierra Leone in Africa and Saint Kitts and Nevis in the Caribbean


22 posted on 12/23/2012 10:25:48 PM PST by kcvl
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To: neverdem

Bonehead, you’re not going to help using the BS media’s lingo. You’re letting them define the terms of debate!

it’s political speak for I am lying to you... I will do whatever the One says. I’m under his spell yes master I will do your bidding!!!


23 posted on 12/23/2012 10:35:20 PM PST by tallyhoe
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To: neverdem

Sen. Manchin: “Vote for me, ‘cause I totally care about children and sh*t.”
To self ‘I’m gonna ride this monkey right into my next term!’

That’s all I hear.


24 posted on 12/23/2012 10:49:22 PM PST by servo1969
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To: MHGinTN

3500 murdered children EVERY DAY in the US. 1.27 million abortions every year. What does that convey about the value of human life?


25 posted on 12/23/2012 10:57:02 PM PST by Cololeo
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To: Cololeo

I think the liberal disease is called ‘magic thinking’, as in posting a ‘gun free zone’ sign will deter a person bent on slaughtering people. If you will notice, even this asshat Joe mentioned armed response as slowing the perp or ending the attack, but then the bastard switched to the magic thinking and went skipping off into never-never land.


26 posted on 12/23/2012 11:18:16 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Travis McGee
From CDC 2011 Data (Preliminary)

(1) USA gun murders - 8,600

(2) Whites commit less than half

(3) Per capita, Blacks commit 8 times more than whites

(4) Per capita, Hispanics commit 4 times more than whites

(5) Rate of gun murders by USA whites almost the same as Switzerland

(6) 80% of white gun deaths in America are suicide

27 posted on 12/23/2012 11:52:33 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: rolling_stone
“I don’t know anyone that needs 30 rounds in a clip to go hunting. I mean, these are things that need to be talked about.”

another knee jerk idiot trying to confuse people with hunting instead of tyranny prevention...

Well, on top of that, his statement wasn't even accurate as applied to hunting. People who hunt sounders -- dozens! -- of feral hogs know they'd better take something heavier than a varminter, in case they run into Hogzilla's younger and faster cousin. Hunters can also run into packs of canids, everything from coyotes to feral dogs (which were everywhere on Eleuthera in the Bahamas when I was there) to wolves. In parts of Africa, congresses of baboons are occasionally a threat when their numbers run up or food gets low.

But you're right, this wasn't about hunting in 1787, or now.

28 posted on 12/24/2012 3:01:20 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: zeestephen
LOL, you're going to wind up on the old Left-wing sh*tlist along with Pat Buchanan.

Those guys absolutely do not want an "honest discussion about race" ... and crime.

By the way, during the "crack wars" that ran from about 1986 to 1995, the annual number of murders in the U.S. was over 24,000 /all weapons and all reasons. Half the dead were YBM's, 91% of them offed by other YBM's ... who were also murdering out to the tune of 50% of all non-black victims. So their bag was 3/4 of the murders in the United States, committed by 1/2 of the 12% or so of the country who were black.

Yeah, that's 6% of the G-pop doing 75% of the murders. And if you add the age factor, it was about 1/4 of the total number of black men .... and not even a large fraction of the young men, who were responsible. No wonder they don't want to talk about crime.

29 posted on 12/24/2012 3:11:27 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: neverdem

When the NRA “Court Marshals” their so called defenders of the 2nd Amendment, I’ll re-up, I left in 1994, because they kissed the Liberals ass.

Someone keep me posted!


30 posted on 12/24/2012 3:23:08 AM PST by tiger-one
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To: tallyhoe
You’re letting them define the terms of debate!

They aren't debating. They're doing what Soledad O'Brien did with Don Kates or someone she had on -- doing a weeping, wailing, blouse-tearing, wild-woman-at-the-funeral tantrum all over the other side: "You're so MEEEAAAANNNN! WHYYYYYYYY?!!" and so on.

Remember, the Left never "debates". They brawl, they eye-gouge, they use saps.

31 posted on 12/24/2012 3:29:02 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: neverdem

The hunting canard, the over-ten-rounds magazine canard, all the useless private opinion canards held by idiots versus the irrefutable RIGHT affirmed to us in the US Constitution to bear arms. No hunting, no limits, just rights.

Drop the max mag limit to 10. What are you gonna do when a madman takes TWO pistols to the slaughter? You gonna ban more than one gun per person? That’s what all you gun grabbers want. Hell, you want to ban them alltogether.


32 posted on 12/24/2012 3:47:43 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Squantos
Is Joe up for reelection in 10 ?

He was just reelected for six years, 2013-2019.

33 posted on 12/24/2012 4:06:09 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved, or not at all)
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To: servo1969
To self ‘I’m gonna ride this monkey right into my next term!’

Unfortunately, Manchin's next term begins in ten days and lasts until January 3, 2019. That ship has sailed.

We are not going to have the same form of government in January 2019 as we have now.

"A house divided against itself cannot stand. I believe this government cannot endure, permanently, half [communist] and half free. I do not expect the Union to be dissolved — I do not expect the house to fall — but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing or all the other. Either the opponents of [Marxism] will arrest the further spread of it, and place it where the public mind shall rest in the belief that it is in the course of ultimate extinction; or its advocates will push it forward, till it shall become lawful in all the States, old as well as new — North as well as South."

34 posted on 12/24/2012 4:14:36 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved, or not at all)
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To: tiger-one

The term is “court martial”. Didn’t serve, didja?


35 posted on 12/24/2012 4:26:17 AM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Squantos

Sad to say the previous Republican candidate, Raese, had his head firmly parked up his ass. While he’s a successful business man, he’s a neophyte at politics. There was an issue that was extremely politically lethal for Manchin that the man could have utilized without getting his hands dirty.

He didn’t.

Add a spineless divided Republican party and it’s unlikely a Republican will replace Manchin.


36 posted on 12/24/2012 4:28:23 AM PST by meatloaf (Support Senate S 1863 & House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: WVNight

Good for you!

Thank you for your service.


37 posted on 12/24/2012 4:45:55 AM PST by Obadiah
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To: MHGinTN
.......as in posting a ‘gun free zone’ sign will deter a person bent on slaughtering people

And the idea that stopping the sale of 'assault weapons' will somehow prevent the use of the ones already in circulation.

Idiots

38 posted on 12/24/2012 5:11:51 AM PST by Vinnie (A)
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To: neverdem

If the citizens are forced to give up semi-autos and “high-capacity” magazines, then so should all the law enforcement agencies. The gun-grabbers’ mantra is that semi-autos are for the sole purpose of killing a large number of people at one time. Well, then, the obvious question — since the gun-grabbers think it’s such a good idea for the police to have semi-autos — is just what large number of people are the police looking to kill at one time? Who specifically comprise that group of people?


39 posted on 12/24/2012 5:43:17 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: rolling_stone

Joe, Joe, Joe. You are an ignoramus. For one thing, what you are talking about is a magazine, not a clip. Moreover, the Second Amendment is NOT about hunting. But, you know that already. So, you have outed yourself as just another whore politician.


40 posted on 12/24/2012 5:45:53 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: neverdem

The 2nd Amendment ain’t about duck hunting. It is there to protect us against tyrants.


41 posted on 12/24/2012 5:46:53 AM PST by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: GreatMan

FL


42 posted on 12/24/2012 5:47:24 AM PST by GreatMan
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To: ought-six
If the citizens are forced to give up semi-autos and “high-capacity” magazines, then so should all the law enforcement agencies. The gun-grabbers’ mantra is that semi-autos are for the sole purpose of killing a large number of people at one time. Well, then, the obvious question — since the gun-grabbers think it’s such a good idea for the police to have semi-autos — is just what large number of people are the police looking to kill at one time? Who specifically comprise that group of people?

Agreed, I posted that in another thread. I'd also extend the ban to the military too. We might have to bring back the Trapdoor Springfield and the .30-40 Krag. B-P
43 posted on 12/24/2012 5:49:41 AM PST by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: Nowhere Man

Hmmmm. I like the trapdoor Springields, both the Long Tom (.45-70) and the carbine (.45-55), but for nostalgia purposes more than anything else. The .30-40 Krag was a POS, that’s why we didn’t keep it in the armory very long (especially after the Spanish-American War where the Spaniards were kicking our butts with their 8mm Mausers).


44 posted on 12/24/2012 6:02:49 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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