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Who’s Crazy? Mental-health experts are wrong.
National Review Online ^ | December 24, 2012 | D. J. Jaffe

Posted on 12/24/2012 3:45:03 PM PST by neverdem

Mental-health experts are wrong. Untreated, the seriously mentally ill are prone to violence.

While virtually the entire nation unites around the reasonable proposition that people with serious mental illnesses should not own assault weapons, one group takes umbrage: mental-health experts. In the wake of incidents such as the one at Newtown, the experts immediately issue press releases claiming that people with mental illness are no more violent than others, leading to the conclusion that people with serious mental illness should not be the target of gun-control efforts.

How can the chasm be so wide? Who is right? The public that believes mental illness is associated with violence, or the experts who claim it is not? The science of violence becomes clear when you look at the totality of violence studies versus any single study. The definitive answer is: It depends on who is mentally ill.

Studies of the 40 to 50 percent of Americans whom mental-health experts claim have some “diagnosable mental disorder” support the claim that “persons with mental illness are not more violent than others.” But the populations in those studies are disingenuously large. Studies of the 5 percent of Americans with the most serious mental illnesses — primarily schizophrenia and treatment-resistant bipolar disorder — who are receiving treatment also support the claim of mental-health experts that persons with mental illness are not more violent than others. But these studies prove only that treatment works, not that persons with mental illness are not more prone to violence. Studies of the 5 percent subgroup of the most seriously mentally ill who are not in treatment and are psychotic, delusional, or hallucinating, or are off treatment that has previously prevented them from being violent, are in fact more prone to violence than others. When people ask whether the mentally ill are more violent, they usually mean this group of severely ill individuals and not about their friends on Zoloft, Prozac, etc.

The mental-health establishment claims that people with mental illness are no more prone to violence than others. At the same time, it claims that, to prevent violence, more money is needed for mental-health treatment. Both claims cannot be true.

There is another gap in the logic of these mental-health experts. They think they are doing a good job with limited resources, but the public disagrees. Over $100 billion is spent on mental health. When more money goes into the system, more people get diagnosed as needing services. The incremental funding is rarely used for the most seriously ill. Witness California: In 2005, California voters passed the Mental Health Services Act, a 1 percent tax on millionaires to provide services for people with “serious mental illness.” As someone with a mentally ill relative, I thank Californians for that. But when the money rolled in, the mental-health system turned their backs on the seriously mentally ill. The California mental-health system diverted money to fund hip-hop car washes, gardens for Hmong, massage chairs for government employees, and public-relations firms to convince the public that all is well. The mental-health experts investigated these reports and found nothing wrong. The state auditor is investigating, and I believe her conclusion will differ.

The mental-health system claims more money is needed to identify who is mentally ill. Not true. Jared Loughner, who shot Gabrielle Giffords; James Holmes, who shot up a movie theater in Aurora; John Hinckley Jr., who shot President Reagan; James Bassler, who shot the former mayor of Fort Bragg; Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber, who mailed explosive packages; Ian Stawicki, who shot five others and himself in a Seattle café; Eduardo Sencion, who shot National Guardsmen at a Nevada IHOP restaurant; Russell Weston, who shot two guards at the U.S. Capitol building; and Adam Lanza, who shot his mother, 26 others, and himself in Newtown, Conn. — all were all known to be ill before they became a headline. The problem wasn’t lack of identification. It was lack of treatment.

Those of us who wish to improve care for men and women who are most seriously afflicted with mental illness enjoy broad public support. The police are on our side. The parents of persons with serious mental illness are on our side. People with serious mental illness themselves are on our side. The mental-health establishment is not, and that is who politicians listen to.

Who’s crazy?

— D. J. Jaffe is executive director of Mental Illness Policy Org., a think tank specializing in serious mental illness, not mental health.



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1 posted on 12/24/2012 3:45:23 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/09/19/161443147/plans-for-john-hinckleys-transfer-have-been-put-on-hold


2 posted on 12/24/2012 3:46:50 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

Thanks for the link.


3 posted on 12/24/2012 3:49:26 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

Jaffe is 100% correct


4 posted on 12/24/2012 3:51:27 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: neverdem

At the end of that first page is a link about “seeks privileges”....Very interesting...shows he’s a sneaky liar after 30 years


5 posted on 12/24/2012 3:59:42 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: neverdem
While virtually the entire nation unites around the reasonable proposition that people with serious mental illnesses should not own assault weapons, one group takes umbrage: mental-health experts.

These "mental health experts" aren't stupid: Deny a patient the right to own a weapon and they sue if they are unable to defend themselves in an emergency. Fail to deny a patient the right to own a weapon and their victims sue them for doing so.

It is a no-win situation for them. Therefore, as the "experts in the field" they deny the linkage exists.

Problem solved.

6 posted on 12/24/2012 4:05:56 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Islam offers us choices: convert or kill, submit or die.)
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To: neverdem

If it’s true that most seriously nutty people will nonetheless never try to murder someone... then it’s true. I’ve seen studies ridiculed for being too small, but this one is getting ridicule for being too large.

I see a furious orgy of dancing around the most obvious answer: communities, outraged about a spate of murderers visiting schools, should have armed the schools. Long ago. And shown no mercy to any (well intended or not) Federal regulation that would inhibit the capability of arming schools. It might be a nut today, a “sane” criminal tomorrow. Same result, if the school is not guarded.


7 posted on 12/24/2012 4:07:34 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: neverdem
i heard some whiner say that only 4%-5% of violent crimes are committed by the mentally ill and that's proof they aren't dangerous...

well since my guess is that they prolly make up 1% to 3% of the population(i don't know the ratio) i'd say that's a pretty high percentage!

8 posted on 12/24/2012 4:07:50 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Carry_Okie
The problem is the supposed "privacy" of psyciatrists (sp)?.

Their bottom line....I don't want to get involved....just collect my big fat paychecks.

You know damn well the theatre killer told his shrink of his plans...and she just sat on it.

9 posted on 12/24/2012 4:11:56 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

Who engaged in the out of body spy travel to the shrink visits of the Batman killer?

“You know darn well” is not evidence of anything good or bad.


10 posted on 12/24/2012 4:15:19 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: neverdem
"Mental-health experts are wrong."

Because mental health, like all science, has be hijacked by the PC crowd. Ideology trumps fact.

Impeach the kenyan or secession.


11 posted on 12/24/2012 4:18:09 PM PST by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: neverdem
Major Hassan was, in fact, a psychiatrist, and Holmes was in a field of study that would take him into psychiatric research, if not actual practice as a psychiatrist.

How many more psychiatrists and psychiatric researchers are there out there who are themselves CRAZY?

12 posted on 12/24/2012 4:21:57 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Chode

Before accusing a segment of whining, try to nail down some facts. Such loaded language coupled with admitted ignorance scarcely wins agreement from anyone who didn’t already agree with you. To put it bluntly, you risk looking like you’re projecting.


13 posted on 12/24/2012 4:24:27 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
the whiner i was referring to was a psychiatrist... and i know a little about some forms of mental illness as my ex is manic depressive or as her doctor insisted, bi-polar
14 posted on 12/24/2012 4:28:42 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: muawiyah
You are surely not the first to muse that, since normal people have very little reason to consider how minds operate (like the driver of a car in good condition has no need to know how a motor operates) then someone who does consider such things must be motivated to do so by some kind of personal mental imbalance, as a good mechanic probably owned a bum car. One really can't know that, a priori. But I had a buddy who absolutely swore by that notion. How does one argue against an idee fixe?
15 posted on 12/24/2012 4:31:44 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: neverdem

I think FedGov wants to include “mental illness” in the upcoming gun laws so that any doctor can disarm you by prescribing a drug for a mental problem. Zoloft and Prozac are obvious, but if it includes insomnia, then Ambien and the others get you disarmed.

With all medical records becoming digitized and centralized, it will be easier to get this data into NICS and onto the 4474.


16 posted on 12/24/2012 4:41:51 PM PST by DBrow
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To: neverdem
Exactly who was it that de-instituionalized the chronically insane people?

I will answer my own question: THE LIBERALS, who are chronically insane themselves.

17 posted on 12/24/2012 4:44:51 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: neverdem

Let the mentally insane idiot free after killing his grandmother with a hammer, but then make sure he live next door to the psychiatrist that gave him the “non-violent” diagnosis!


18 posted on 12/24/2012 4:48:50 PM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: DBrow

Anyone can claim to be “depressed” or sad. This is where the Obamacare costs will EXPLODE. Psychs will collect massive rent, donate a little the the ‘Rats, and us taxpayers will ‘circle the drain’!!!!


19 posted on 12/24/2012 4:50:33 PM PST by 4Liberty (Some on our "Roads & Bridges" head to the beach. Others head to their offices, farms, libraries....)
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To: Sacajaweau; neverdem
Their bottom line....I don't want to get involved....just collect my big fat paychecks.

Considering the likelihood of a FATTER increase in their insurance premiums bankrupting their practices, and that they'd spend the bulk of their time defending themselves, and that they'd be unable to truly take a risk in helping a patient, and that the cost of the insurance would shrink their customer base to nothing, and that more people would go unidentified and untreated...

I disagree with you completely. The "bottom line" is tort law, just as it is with other physicians.

20 posted on 12/24/2012 5:08:00 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Islam offers us choices: convert or kill, submit or die.)
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To: muawiyah
How many more psychiatrists and psychiatric researchers are there out there who are themselves CRAZY?

Quite a percentage, from my limited experience. Knew several who battled depression and one of them committed suicide. Couple others were recovering alcoholics, one Viet vet had post-traumatic stress issues.

21 posted on 12/24/2012 5:10:22 PM PST by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: muawiyah
How many more psychiatrists and psychiatric researchers are there out there who are themselves CRAZY?

Quite a percentage, from my limited experience. Knew several who battled depression and one of them committed suicide. Couple others were recovering alcoholics, one Viet vet had post-traumatic stress issues.

22 posted on 12/24/2012 5:10:46 PM PST by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: Carry_Okie

http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes291066.htm Where psychiatrists are employed and what do they earn. Someone with more time could get into this and find out how many of them are government employees! NOTE: Waterbury CT has America’s highest paid shrinks~gotta’ be a reason for that eh


23 posted on 12/24/2012 5:17:39 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Someone with more time could get into this and find out how many of them are government employees!

Prison shrinks make a LOT of money, especially in California.

24 posted on 12/24/2012 5:57:03 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Islam offers us choices: convert or kill, submit or die.)
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To: neverdem

Mental Health Experts


25 posted on 12/24/2012 6:00:39 PM PST by bmwcyle (We have gone over the cliff and we are about to hit the bottom)
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>> The mental-health establishment is not [on our side].

The sociopath doesn’t necessarily show the deranged side of his personality to the public. The severity is generally hidden from public view, and consequently ignored.

Mental illness is unfortunately dismissed as a problem for the guardians alone when it in fact is a serious problem for the community, and recently the Constitution.

If I’m not mistake, political Leftwing activism has played a role in the neglect through legislation that makes getting help difficult.


26 posted on 12/24/2012 6:15:13 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: neverdem

...The problem wasn’t lack of identification. It was lack of treatment.....

How many has the Obama administration killed? at least 300 in Mexico...Benghazi, Brain Terry etc...where is the outcry?


27 posted on 12/24/2012 6:21:27 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: neverdem

It all depends on whose ox is getting gored.


28 posted on 12/24/2012 6:57:42 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Chode

I’ve heard 1 in 5 inmates are mentally ill. That’s a helluva number of people and it also shows they’ve already committed crimes.


29 posted on 12/24/2012 7:01:27 PM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: headstamp 2
seems much more than their percentage of the general population...
30 posted on 12/24/2012 7:25:51 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: neverdem

Over the years Mental Health experts have screwed up child rearing, turned Homosexuality into the normal,and basically fugged up the world to a fare thee well.

Menatl health experts should admit that theirs is not a science ,but a guessing game in which they are wrong more often than right.


31 posted on 12/24/2012 7:54:33 PM PST by Venturer
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To: neverdem

This is a fairly complicated issue.

If 100% of the violent crimes are committed by mentally ill people, but only 1% of mentally ill people commit violent crimes, then how can mental illness be used as a predictor?

I think the type of mental illness plays a big role. A paranoid schizophrenic, for example, is far more likely to go on a murder spree than someone with obsessive-compulsive disorder. But not all paranoid schizophrenics will become violent.

There are some behavioral indicators. For instance, I remember reading about a family who had to have their son committed for his behavior problems. When they would bring him home for visits, their cats would disappear. I would hope that at age 18, he was not released from the mental institution; if he was, he is most likely in prison now.

On the bright side, while these problems are difficult to predict, there really are very few people who are that murderously crazy. If these incidents were commonplace, we’d never read about them, just like we never hear about the majority of car thefts.


32 posted on 12/24/2012 8:41:23 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: Pride in the USA; Stillwaters

Interesting op ed


33 posted on 12/24/2012 8:57:49 PM PST by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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To: rolling_stone
How many has the Obama administration killed? at least 300 in Mexico...Benghazi, Brain Terry etc...where is the outcry?

WHERE'S THE BS MEDIA!

34 posted on 12/24/2012 9:50:20 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

“people with serious mental illnesses should not own assault weapons”

The rest of us arent’t allowed to; why should the mentally ill?

An assault weapon has fully automatic capability. Don’t let these gun-grabbing dirtballs refer to semiautomatic rifles as “assault weapons.”


35 posted on 12/24/2012 10:27:28 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Chode
i heard some whiner say that only 4%-5% of violent crimes are committed by the mentally ill and that's proof they aren't dangerous...

Yet when such persons are charged for their crimes, the defense is "not guilty by reason of insanity". If you cannot be held accountable for your actions at any time, then you do not have the right to roam freely among society without a legal guardian.

36 posted on 12/25/2012 5:01:47 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: muawiyah
How many more psychiatrists and psychiatric researchers are there out there who are themselves CRAZY?

I realize that psychology does not equal psychiatry but I've heard that at least some of those who go into psychology do so to learn what is wrong with themselves.

Also it was the main psychiatry organization that "normalized" homosexuality from being an abnormal sexual desire.

37 posted on 12/25/2012 5:09:48 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: a fool in paradise
ain't that the truth... other than if you saw your wife/daughter being raped and then snapped into true "Temporary Insanity"
38 posted on 12/25/2012 7:41:28 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

Murdering an adulterer used to be called a crime of passion and at least at a point in the 20th century, it was justifiable homicide in America.

Murdering a rapist wouldn’t require a defense of temporary insanity. What’s the status on the case in Texas where the father killed the farmhand who’d molested his daughter?


39 posted on 12/25/2012 8:03:03 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: a fool in paradise
yup, you're right
40 posted on 12/25/2012 8:56:23 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: dsc
An assault weapon has fully automatic capability.

Exactly, at least a three round burst.

Don’t let these gun-grabbing dirtballs refer to semiautomatic rifles as “assault weapons.”

I try not to. I prefer to use the phrase so called “assault weapons.”

Automatic rifle, machine gun, submachine gun and machine pistol were not appropriate. Semiautomatic rifles didn't sound bad enough. So, it appears Josh Sugarmann made up the term out of whole cloth. And the BS media has been using it for two decades, sometimes showing automatic rifles firing instead. The BS media even has the gall to call 5.56 x 45 mm and 7.62 x 39 mm ammo high powered! It's agitprop. Don't call them main stream or lame stream media anymore. They are BS media. If they question you, you tell them most people know what bravo sierra means, and it's not Bachelor of Science.

41 posted on 12/25/2012 12:06:47 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem
Studies of the 40 to 50 percent of Americans whom mental-health experts claim have some “diagnosable mental disorder” support the claim that “persons with mental illness are not more violent than others.”

Mental-health professionals are reliably liberal and reliably oppose segregating and sanctioning people for cause, who have certain mental impairments.

Homosexuality is a paraphilia, but mental-health professionals (led by homosexual psychiatrists and psychologists) have bent over backwards, over the last 40 years, to insist that homosexuals are not more self-destructive or recidivist than other persons, in the case of offending homosexuals (pederasts, e.g.), and that AIDS/HIV vectors should not be "stigmatized" by quarantining -- this last demand was slammed onto the table back in 1981 by gay political activists. Homosexual HIV-positive men proceeded to spread the epidemic far and wide and turn a medical curiosity into a microbiological meatgrinder.

42 posted on 12/25/2012 11:50:12 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus

The commies in Cuba got one thing right right, that quarantine.


43 posted on 12/26/2012 9:35:52 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

Cook County shut down its mental hospital over a decade ago. Few families can assist, pay for or manage a seriously, dangerously mentally ill person. I suspect at the root of much of the homeless and violently mentally ill people are urban Democrat policies.

Someone should investigate it and shed some light on this.


44 posted on 12/27/2012 3:47:41 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: headstamp 2

I’ve heard 1 in 5 inmates are mentally ill....The largest Mental Health Institution in PA is now the Allegheny Co. Jail.


45 posted on 12/27/2012 4:40:52 AM PST by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: 1010RD

I suspect at the root of much of the homeless and violently mentally ill people are urban Democrat policies.....Just read the history of Philadelphia State Hospital. The Lawyer who was at the head of the assault to release the 7,000 inmates sued the state, got payment from the state, and then sued the state for releasing them. BIG time lib who didn’t give a crap about the patients, but man, did he LOVE the money.


46 posted on 12/27/2012 4:48:33 AM PST by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Safetgiver

That same thing happened in Illinois. It caused an explosion in homelessness and crime.


47 posted on 12/27/2012 4:55:56 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Chode
if you saw your wife/daughter being raped and then snapped into true "Temporary Insanity"

In North Dakota, one is legally permitted to use lethal force to intervene on behalf of a third party to prevent/mitigate the serious bodily injury or death of that third party.

Rape is included in the definition of "serious bodily injury".

Of course my wife is faithful, ergo, the intervention would be justifiable under the letter of the law.

No insanity defense is necessary, instead it would be the lawful use of force on behalf of one who is being seriously injured.

Laws may vary in your jurisdiction. Learn them.

48 posted on 12/27/2012 5:01:01 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: neverdem
When people ask whether the mentally ill are more violent, they usually mean this group of severely ill individuals and not about their friends on Zoloft, Prozac, etc.

Unfortunately, whether they were on a continued regimen of medication or not, the majority of mass murderers seem to be taking or have taken one or more of these medications. That may be correlative rather than causative, but the potential for a link should be investigated further.

Of all the schemes the government has cooked up to spend the money we haven't been taxed yet, some of the most useful have been discarded--I'd rather the TSA budget was used to provide inpatient treatment for the most violent of the psychologically afflicted than groping people at airports, for instance, and I think it would do more to keep all of us safer--but then, the ugly problem of who decides who is sane rears its head.

I agree that those who summarily decry the concept of institutionalization may be a few brews short of a six pack.

49 posted on 12/27/2012 5:11:59 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Zoloft, Prozac, etc. Unfortunately, whether they were on a continued regimen of medication or not, the majority of mass murderers seem to be taking or have taken one or more of these medications. That may be correlative rather than causative, but the potential for a link should be investigated further.

Zoloft, Prozac, etc., are in the class of antidepressants called selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, SSRIs. Those who inherit a slower version of the enzyme called CYP2D6, those who had a recent increase in the dose of their SSRI and those who happened to take other legal drugs and other legal substances that increase serotonin levels can experience what's called serotonin syndrome. It can be really bad news with physical signs and symptoms as well as psychotic behavior. Pardon the NY Times source, but it explains it very well for the general public.

Neighbor says Lanza was on meds, links between SSRIs and violence

Googling asperger's ssri will get 290,000 hits. That 2nd link has a list of school shooters and other killers as well as suicides on SSRIs. I'm waiting for a credible story about Lanza'a toxicology report.

50 posted on 12/27/2012 1:45:13 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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