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Who’s Crazy? Mental-health experts are wrong.
National Review Online ^ | December 24, 2012 | D. J. Jaffe

Posted on 12/24/2012 3:45:03 PM PST by neverdem

Mental-health experts are wrong. Untreated, the seriously mentally ill are prone to violence.

While virtually the entire nation unites around the reasonable proposition that people with serious mental illnesses should not own assault weapons, one group takes umbrage: mental-health experts. In the wake of incidents such as the one at Newtown, the experts immediately issue press releases claiming that people with mental illness are no more violent than others, leading to the conclusion that people with serious mental illness should not be the target of gun-control efforts.

How can the chasm be so wide? Who is right? The public that believes mental illness is associated with violence, or the experts who claim it is not? The science of violence becomes clear when you look at the totality of violence studies versus any single study. The definitive answer is: It depends on who is mentally ill.

Studies of the 40 to 50 percent of Americans whom mental-health experts claim have some “diagnosable mental disorder” support the claim that “persons with mental illness are not more violent than others.” But the populations in those studies are disingenuously large. Studies of the 5 percent of Americans with the most serious mental illnesses — primarily schizophrenia and treatment-resistant bipolar disorder — who are receiving treatment also support the claim of mental-health experts that persons with mental illness are not more violent than others. But these studies prove only that treatment works, not that persons with mental illness are not more prone to violence. Studies of the 5 percent subgroup of the most seriously mentally ill who are not in treatment and are psychotic, delusional, or hallucinating, or are off treatment that has previously prevented them from being violent, are in fact more prone to violence than others. When people ask whether the mentally ill are more violent, they usually mean this group of severely ill individuals and not about their friends on Zoloft, Prozac, etc.

The mental-health establishment claims that people with mental illness are no more prone to violence than others. At the same time, it claims that, to prevent violence, more money is needed for mental-health treatment. Both claims cannot be true.

There is another gap in the logic of these mental-health experts. They think they are doing a good job with limited resources, but the public disagrees. Over $100 billion is spent on mental health. When more money goes into the system, more people get diagnosed as needing services. The incremental funding is rarely used for the most seriously ill. Witness California: In 2005, California voters passed the Mental Health Services Act, a 1 percent tax on millionaires to provide services for people with “serious mental illness.” As someone with a mentally ill relative, I thank Californians for that. But when the money rolled in, the mental-health system turned their backs on the seriously mentally ill. The California mental-health system diverted money to fund hip-hop car washes, gardens for Hmong, massage chairs for government employees, and public-relations firms to convince the public that all is well. The mental-health experts investigated these reports and found nothing wrong. The state auditor is investigating, and I believe her conclusion will differ.

The mental-health system claims more money is needed to identify who is mentally ill. Not true. Jared Loughner, who shot Gabrielle Giffords; James Holmes, who shot up a movie theater in Aurora; John Hinckley Jr., who shot President Reagan; James Bassler, who shot the former mayor of Fort Bragg; Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber, who mailed explosive packages; Ian Stawicki, who shot five others and himself in a Seattle café; Eduardo Sencion, who shot National Guardsmen at a Nevada IHOP restaurant; Russell Weston, who shot two guards at the U.S. Capitol building; and Adam Lanza, who shot his mother, 26 others, and himself in Newtown, Conn. — all were all known to be ill before they became a headline. The problem wasn’t lack of identification. It was lack of treatment.

Those of us who wish to improve care for men and women who are most seriously afflicted with mental illness enjoy broad public support. The police are on our side. The parents of persons with serious mental illness are on our side. People with serious mental illness themselves are on our side. The mental-health establishment is not, and that is who politicians listen to.

Who’s crazy?

— D. J. Jaffe is executive director of Mental Illness Policy Org., a think tank specializing in serious mental illness, not mental health.



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To: muawiyah
How many more psychiatrists and psychiatric researchers are there out there who are themselves CRAZY?

Quite a percentage, from my limited experience. Knew several who battled depression and one of them committed suicide. Couple others were recovering alcoholics, one Viet vet had post-traumatic stress issues.

21 posted on 12/24/2012 5:10:22 PM PST by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: muawiyah
How many more psychiatrists and psychiatric researchers are there out there who are themselves CRAZY?

Quite a percentage, from my limited experience. Knew several who battled depression and one of them committed suicide. Couple others were recovering alcoholics, one Viet vet had post-traumatic stress issues.

22 posted on 12/24/2012 5:10:46 PM PST by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: Carry_Okie

http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes291066.htm Where psychiatrists are employed and what do they earn. Someone with more time could get into this and find out how many of them are government employees! NOTE: Waterbury CT has America’s highest paid shrinks~gotta’ be a reason for that eh


23 posted on 12/24/2012 5:17:39 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Someone with more time could get into this and find out how many of them are government employees!

Prison shrinks make a LOT of money, especially in California.

24 posted on 12/24/2012 5:57:03 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Islam offers us choices: convert or kill, submit or die.)
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To: neverdem

Mental Health Experts


25 posted on 12/24/2012 6:00:39 PM PST by bmwcyle (We have gone over the cliff and we are about to hit the bottom)
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>> The mental-health establishment is not [on our side].

The sociopath doesn’t necessarily show the deranged side of his personality to the public. The severity is generally hidden from public view, and consequently ignored.

Mental illness is unfortunately dismissed as a problem for the guardians alone when it in fact is a serious problem for the community, and recently the Constitution.

If I’m not mistake, political Leftwing activism has played a role in the neglect through legislation that makes getting help difficult.


26 posted on 12/24/2012 6:15:13 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: neverdem

...The problem wasn’t lack of identification. It was lack of treatment.....

How many has the Obama administration killed? at least 300 in Mexico...Benghazi, Brain Terry etc...where is the outcry?


27 posted on 12/24/2012 6:21:27 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: neverdem

It all depends on whose ox is getting gored.


28 posted on 12/24/2012 6:57:42 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Chode

I’ve heard 1 in 5 inmates are mentally ill. That’s a helluva number of people and it also shows they’ve already committed crimes.


29 posted on 12/24/2012 7:01:27 PM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: headstamp 2
seems much more than their percentage of the general population...
30 posted on 12/24/2012 7:25:51 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: neverdem

Over the years Mental Health experts have screwed up child rearing, turned Homosexuality into the normal,and basically fugged up the world to a fare thee well.

Menatl health experts should admit that theirs is not a science ,but a guessing game in which they are wrong more often than right.


31 posted on 12/24/2012 7:54:33 PM PST by Venturer
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To: neverdem

This is a fairly complicated issue.

If 100% of the violent crimes are committed by mentally ill people, but only 1% of mentally ill people commit violent crimes, then how can mental illness be used as a predictor?

I think the type of mental illness plays a big role. A paranoid schizophrenic, for example, is far more likely to go on a murder spree than someone with obsessive-compulsive disorder. But not all paranoid schizophrenics will become violent.

There are some behavioral indicators. For instance, I remember reading about a family who had to have their son committed for his behavior problems. When they would bring him home for visits, their cats would disappear. I would hope that at age 18, he was not released from the mental institution; if he was, he is most likely in prison now.

On the bright side, while these problems are difficult to predict, there really are very few people who are that murderously crazy. If these incidents were commonplace, we’d never read about them, just like we never hear about the majority of car thefts.


32 posted on 12/24/2012 8:41:23 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: Pride in the USA; Stillwaters

Interesting op ed


33 posted on 12/24/2012 8:57:49 PM PST by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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To: rolling_stone
How many has the Obama administration killed? at least 300 in Mexico...Benghazi, Brain Terry etc...where is the outcry?

WHERE'S THE BS MEDIA!

34 posted on 12/24/2012 9:50:20 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

“people with serious mental illnesses should not own assault weapons”

The rest of us arent’t allowed to; why should the mentally ill?

An assault weapon has fully automatic capability. Don’t let these gun-grabbing dirtballs refer to semiautomatic rifles as “assault weapons.”


35 posted on 12/24/2012 10:27:28 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Chode
i heard some whiner say that only 4%-5% of violent crimes are committed by the mentally ill and that's proof they aren't dangerous...

Yet when such persons are charged for their crimes, the defense is "not guilty by reason of insanity". If you cannot be held accountable for your actions at any time, then you do not have the right to roam freely among society without a legal guardian.

36 posted on 12/25/2012 5:01:47 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: muawiyah
How many more psychiatrists and psychiatric researchers are there out there who are themselves CRAZY?

I realize that psychology does not equal psychiatry but I've heard that at least some of those who go into psychology do so to learn what is wrong with themselves.

Also it was the main psychiatry organization that "normalized" homosexuality from being an abnormal sexual desire.

37 posted on 12/25/2012 5:09:48 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: a fool in paradise
ain't that the truth... other than if you saw your wife/daughter being raped and then snapped into true "Temporary Insanity"
38 posted on 12/25/2012 7:41:28 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

Murdering an adulterer used to be called a crime of passion and at least at a point in the 20th century, it was justifiable homicide in America.

Murdering a rapist wouldn’t require a defense of temporary insanity. What’s the status on the case in Texas where the father killed the farmhand who’d molested his daughter?


39 posted on 12/25/2012 8:03:03 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: a fool in paradise
yup, you're right
40 posted on 12/25/2012 8:56:23 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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