Skip to comments.Sen. Feinstein suggests national buyback of guns
Posted on 12/24/2012 8:40:00 PM PST by neverdem
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It is a pity Dan White only reloaded once...
Australia does not have explicit freedom of speech in any constitutional or statutory declaration of rights.
Shall we try that to reduce violence too?
It had been agreed among the commanders, the king now informed the warriors, no longer to fight in sallies from behind the Wall as in the previous two days but instead to put its stones at the defenders' backs and advance in a body into the widest part of the pass, there to engage the enemy, the allied scores against the Empire's myriads. The king's intent was that each man sell his life as dearly as possible.
Just as order of battle was being assigned, a herald's trumpet of the enemy sounded from beyond the Narrows. Under a banner of parley a party of four Persian riders in their most brilliant armor picked their way across the carpet of carnage and reined in directly beneath the Wall. Leonidas had been wounded in both legs and could barely hobble. With painful effort he mounted the battlement; the troops climbed with him; the whole force, what there was of it, looked down on the horsemen from atop the Wall.
The envoy was Ptammitechus, the Egyptian marine Tommie. This time his young son did not accompany him as interpreter; that function was performed by an officer of the Persians. Both their mounts, and the two heralds', were balking violently amid the underfoot corpses. Before Tommie could commence his speech, Leonidas cut him off.
"The answer is no," he called down from the Wall.
"You haven't heard the offer."
"F*** the offer," Leonidas cried with a grin. "And yourself, sir, along with it!"
The Egyptian laughed, his smile flashing as brilliantly as ever. He strained against the reins of his spooking horse. "Xerxes does not want your lives, sir," Tommie called. "Only your arms."
Leonidas laughed. "Tell him to come and get them."
Good God, are these people stupid!
ok name one thing the rats are in favor of that is not stupid??
The liberals/socialists/marxists crybabies never think beyond their feel good ideas and legislation. Sheesh, all their stupid ideas will only push good paying jobs off shore and create a black market. ANY BAD GUY WHO WANTS TO DO HARM WILL STILL HAVE ACCESS TO GUNS no matter if they confiscated every last gun. These people never think of unintended consequences.
The NRA president suggested the correct answer for the mass murdering lunatics; Arm our schools. After talking with my Brother-in-Law tonight on Christmas Eve, I found out there are numerous school districts that allow that...even here in Santa Ana, CA.
Of course the real deterent is either easy CCW or open carry. We all know that those cities/states that allow such have the least crime. Those that have the most restrictive gun laws have the most crime. It has always been such. But then I'm preaching to choir and bleeding hearts will never get it.
No, I didn't lost my legal weapons (even by Calif standards) in a boating accident.
Remington 12 Guage with legal barrel length, Sig Sauer P226 with legal 10 round mag, Colt .38 revolver. Unfortunately, since I waited to long, all the evil looking semi-autos rifles are now out of stock in my area and looks like around the country. Gun sales skyrocketed after Obambi first won, have skyrocketed after his second win from the "gimmes", and now is skyrocketing after the horrific shooting in CT. Americans are ready to protect their own. Hell, the local gun range has a waiting list to famfire in Orange County, Ca.
I claimed I was going to go galt, but this is the final line for me at 63. I've lived a great life and while being on the final turn, I still reserve the right to defend my wife and me if sh*t breaks down and suburbs become a target after they have looted the inner city .
They die or I die or both. She will be long gone to a place where they still believe in the 2nd Amendment and its a family rural area and has many militias. We've had the discussion and she often crys about my intentions and those of the Fedgov. However, being a conservative she gets the threat from the zombies if the "Big One" (earthquake) hits us or other catastrophes that bring out the worst of society.
I hereby let everyone know who reads this: If ANYONE attempts to take my simple defense weapons and/or the zombies intrude, yes, this so-called Internet commando is going out. Just be known you Fegov agencies who read this, someone is going with me. Think Aftganistan insurgency and the damage they do to our Troops.
Having no combat training (simple aviation sailor), I am ready to take orders and no problem with taking point. No one lives forever.
Dianne packs heat. Will she get rid of hers first?
I believe she had a tragic boating accident... nobody was hurt. Complete loss of the boat though, and all its contents.
There is an AR at 3 oclock and what appears to be either an M1 or an M1a at 6 oclock.
but out of 650K, your point stands.
Senator Feinstein, put your own house in order.
Because of all the noise made by some in this administration, any AR platform firearm which sold for $750.00 to 1,200 a couple of weeks ago is now going for $1600.00 - 2,000.00+ on the private open (Non-FFL) market. No FFL dealer seems to have any for sale at any price. Added to this is 20 and 30 round magazines - none available from a licensed dealer but a $19.00 30 round P-Mag is now $60.00 each on the private market! Good luck with that $500.00 buy back.
Feinstein should now be declared the "Gun Salesman of the Year".
How they’d love this before Extortion-Care.
And as for a “permit”, The People, all of us, already have one, The Second Amendment.
Australia implemented a mandatory buyback program in 1996 following a mass shooting. The law banned semiautomatic and automatic rifles and shotguns and put in place a mandatory buy-back program for newly banned weapons, USA Today recalls. The buyback led to the destruction of 650,000 gun.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Yep, that worked really well for Australia:
AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN
April 13, 2009
It is a common fantasy that gun bans make society safer. In 2002 — five years after enacting its gun ban — the Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime. In fact, the percent of murders committed with a firearm was the highest it had ever been in 2006 (16.3 percent), says the D.C. Examiner.
Even Australia’s Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:
In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault — Australia’s equivalent term for rape — increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia’s violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
Moreover, Australia and the United States — where no gun-ban exists — both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:
Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America’s rate dropped 31.7 percent.
During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault — Australia’s equivalent term for rape — increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia’s violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.
While this doesn’t prove that more guns would impact crime rates, it does prove that gun control is a flawed policy. Furthermore, this highlights the most important point: gun banners promote failed policy regardless of the consequences to the people who must live with them, says the Examiner.
Source: Howard Nemerov, “Australia experiencing more violent crime despite gun ban,” D.C. Examiner, April 8, 2009.
Having no combat training (simple aviation sailor), I am ready to take orders and no problem with taking point. No one lives forever.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The next civil war in America will not be between North and South. It will be between Patriots and Utopians. If the Utopians now in control of government ( they are actually fasists)send the military out to confiscate guns across the USA, the military will likely refuse.
If the military does not refuse its orders from the Utopians, then the effort to confiscate firearms from the public will result in a civil war over the 2nd amendment.The war will not form on strict geographic lines but will be waged around certain urban clusters, which are under control of Utopian fascists who want to die for their cause. I think these Utopians will be rapidly accomodated in their wish to dioe for their cause.
At this point in time, Committees of Safety need to be organized throughout the nation, in order to secure the 2nd amendment, and protect our schools.
As in ancient Egypt where the elite declared themselves to be gods our government now uses slaves to design and build massive tombs to worship themselves in the here and now and for their slaves to worship them in the afterlife
Sort of a GREEN self-perpetuating thing
.....until the rivers dry up and nobody will loan them anymore water
Then the next bunch of colorful cannibals will come along and use their dried up bodies as fuel for super-trains to nowhere through the deserts
Just look what the Egyptians and others of Africa have become:
- and a dying jackal under a pear tree -
Just so I understand you, Dianne, you’re saying that I spend my money to buy a gun; then I give more money to the government, so they can give me back a percentage of what I gave them, in return for giving them the gun I spent my money to buy?
So, I pay for the gun twice, plus pay a “transaction fee” to the government, and end up without a gun?
And that doesn’t even include the sales, excise, Hill-Burton, and other taxes & fees connected with the original purchase? Do I also get a 1099 for this wonderful transaction?
here are some numbers FYI
I have a few rifles I could sell now for at least twice what I paid for them.
It is a sellers market out there.
Thanks for the Stats Fred.
BTW, this is unrelated but poses several interesting questions. The 2nd man trend in mass shootings is clearly established.Is it just a “social” phenomenon?
Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged, Part 2, Chapter 3, Page 404
Crime falling across Australia
4 March 2012
Minister for Home Affairs and Minister for Justice Jason Clare today released the Australian Institute of Criminologys (AIC) annual report into crime trends which shows the crime rates continue to fall across most major categories.
This is a good result for law enforcement agencies across the country, but we still have a lot more work to do the recent shootings are proof of that, Mr Clare said.
Thats why a couple of weeks ago I announced that the Australian Crime Commission would conduct a National Intelligence Assessment of the illegal firearm market and its links to gang activity in Australia.
The Federal Government and State and Territory Governments are also working together on nationally consistent legislation to tackle criminal organisations.
The key statistics in the AICs Australian Crime: Facts and Figures report are:
Break-ins have been cut by about half since 1996;
Car theft has dropped by about 61 per cent over the past decade;
The overall number of violent crimes decreased in 2010 except for the offence of kidnapping and abduction;
Of the five categories of violent crime, four recorded a drop in the number of victims between 2009 and 2010 homicide, assault, sexual assault and robbery;
The most common weapon used in homicide in 200910 was a knife. Knives were involved in 39 per cent of all homicides;
Firearms used in 13 per cent of all homicides;
There has been a 27 per cent drop in the number of homicides between 1996 and 2010, with a drop of 11 per cent between 2009 and 2010;
The homicide rate is 1.2 per 100,000 population;
The number of victims of robbery in 2010 is the lowest on record since 1996, with 14,582 victims. Robbery victim numbers peaked in 2001 with 26,591 victims;
Murder and sexual assault occurred most frequently within residential settings - 61 percent of murders occurred in a residential dwelling and 63 percent of sexual assaults occurred in a residential dwelling;
Assault rates decreased from 801 per 100,000 people in 2009 to 766 per 100,000 in 2010;
In 2010, there were 17,757 recorded sexual assaults, down from 18,807 the previous year;
The rate of fraud victimisation dropped by 11 per cent from 2009 to 2011 and, since peaking in 1998-99, has declined by 35 per cent;
In 200910, the offending rate for people aged 15 to 19 years was almost four times the rate for all other offenders (6,751 compared with 1,821 offenders per 100,000);
In 200910, 2,767 arrests involving heroin were made an 81 percent decrease in arrests over the past decade;
In 200910, cannabis accounted for the highest number of drug-related arrests with 57,170 arrests - an increase of three percent from 200809; and
In 2009-10 the number of cocaine arrests increased by 47 per cent rising to 1,244 from 848 in 2008-09 but cocaine arrests remain lower than for any other drug type.
This annual publication is compiled from information provided by sources in each state and territory, and the Australian Bureau of Statistics.
The full report can be accessed online at www.aic.gov.au and a summary of the reports findings is attached.
It is a sellers market out there.
Load up on all the ammo you can afford to buy. Its going to be a long 4 years, and depending on where you live in relation to the pro Utopian series of urban clusters across the nation, things may get very dicey indeed.
We truly are in a prelude to civil war between Utopians ( fascists ) and Constitutional Patriots.
The coming civil war is being created by Utopian fascists who are now in power.It will not be between North and South, but between Utopian Fascists and Constitutional Patriots , with the geographic lines of the civil war being around Urnban clusters of Utopians who wish to fight and die for their cause.These Utopians are now working themselves up into a frothing tizzy and will emerge from their hives in violence, blaming ordinary citizens for the violence and directing the military to confiscate weapons being used by Patriots in self defence to the mobs of Utopians who no longer receive entitlements because Obama has destroyed the economy ( its the plan , you see.)
Committees of Safety should be forming all across the contry to protect the Constitution and also to protect our schools and hosppitals from the crazy gun confiscators whose gun free zones apply to everyone else except themselves.( Note that the Obama daughters go to a school protected by 7 armed guards and a cadre of Secret Service Agents. But by the sweet everlasting, school kids in places like Sandy Hook do not deserve them, according to the Utopians. Thats exactly why we have a second amendment, and it is exactly why we will keep it.)
I don’t see it as clearly established, and not sure what you mean by ‘social phenomenon’ that just sounds like a polite term for a couple of sick punks who can’t function on their own and probably hang out to go to the toilet together as well.
Multiple eyewitness testimonies confirm that this second man was handcuffed and taken to a police cruiser. We're being told that the other shooter is Adam Lanza, who may or may not have killed his mother on his way to Sandy Hook, his old elementary school. This shooter was "masked" so there is as yet no evidence placing the 20-year-old at the scene.
The police also told the press they were "looking for a red or maroon van with its back window blown out", which again suggests that there was more than one perpetrator.
And then any mention of any second shooter just dropped out of the news. From the follow up stories I read it seems that report was a mistake?
I begin to think that the left is trying to push conservative America into rebellion in order to send in the jackboots, just like the lurid over the top media coverage is providing the attention and motivation for copycat killers. The left is generating more incidents in order to advance their agenda of tyranny.
The totalitarians are salivating.
“But if Congress balks at banning certain weapons entirely, it could make gun owners an offer they cant refuse. Instead of $200 a gun, Uncle Sam might offer $500.
First off, I paid over a grand for my gun, and if they think I’m going to take a loss on it so some pussy doesn’t have to worry about wetting his pants, they’re nuts.
Second, I’ve always thought of the government as the mafia, and it’s always nice of them to prove me right.
The progressives' New Normal ruling elite ordain that inalienable rights are religion-connected and therefore unacceptable and unconstitutional.. only human rights granted to the masses by the New Normal ruling elite are legal.
And where are the funds for the buyback program lingo ome from? From our tax $$$s of course or they’ll borrow more money. Either that or we’ll find out what all those new DHS vehicles are for when they storm troop the houses and try to take ‘em away.
I’ll take some too. A couple ARs, a few handguns, and a shotgun or too. A nice elk rifle wouldn’t hurt either.
Hey Diane, disarm the military and law enforcement first, then we’ll talk.
Twenty Trillion dollars placed in my off-shore bank account, and they can buy one of my guns back.
Now I have to decide if it will be the Nylon 66 or the Ruger 10-22..............
You're right, nobody and I mean nobody, who posts on the internet, is anonymous.
I remember vividly that day that I tragically lost all my guns in that tragic boating accident on Lake Michigan. They will have to do some serious diving to find them.
I live in Illinois and that FOID card only allows you to own guns, it doesn't mean you actually own one.
I lost mine in a boating accident in Lake Michigan, a very deep lake.
If he offers $5 million, I might part with my old .32 which is showing signs of wear and tear. The rest will remain.
I’ll be more than happy to turn in one of my pieces for a $1,000 coupon good at Springfield Arms.
Problem is they don’t stay bought....
Think of Fast and Furious in this context and it all starts to make sense.
Not gonna happen, DiFi. Shove it where the sun don`t shine.
Always entertaining are these “ideas” from those who have taxpayer-paid security at their disposal.
Re: could be compulsory.
These people don’t get it.....not even the sales of the past week are enough to wake them up.
if somehow, you can be the person stationed before, and get to inspect and then pay a bit more for some of the valuable ones, this would be a good “buy back”.
And... did it reduce criminal use of guns?
DiFi is part of the Ruling Class. Gun bans apply only to the little people.
They have all the momentum they need now. It’s only a matter of time.
Our current military might not attack citizens; however, with demographic trends, the future make-up of our military, i believe, will be composed of folks who would love nothing more than to turn their guns on the American public, which is why for the 1st time in my life as someone who has been traditionally pro-military, loved the Reagan build-up in the 80s, etc., now support gutting our military.
Confiscation could be an option, Cuomo told The New York Times yesterday when discussing semiautomatic weapons. Mandatory sale to the state could be an option. Permitting could be an option keep your gun but permit it.
No, no, and no. Fuhgeddaboutit. And Cuomo, forget about running for any higher office.
WOW. What a strong and well articulated post!
How sad it has come to this that we have to even think such things in our country..the greatest in the world.