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2012: The Reason for the Season
The Holy Bible | As it is Written

Posted on 12/24/2012 9:06:22 PM PST by jimjohn

Luke 2:1-21 And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be taxed.

(And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.)

And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city.

And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David:)

To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.

And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered.

And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.

And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.

And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.

And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.

And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,

Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

And it came to pass, as the angels were gone away from them into heaven, the shepherds said one to another, Let us now go even unto Bethlehem, and see this thing which is come to pass, which the Lord hath made known unto us.

And they came with haste, and found Mary, and Joseph, and the babe lying in a manger.

And when they had seen it, they made known abroad the saying which was told them concerning this child.

And all they that heard it wondered at those things which were told them by the shepherds.

But Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart.

And the shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things that they had heard and seen, as it was told unto them.

And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called Jesus, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.

Matthew 2:1-11

Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,

Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.

And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.

And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,

And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.

Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, enquired of them diligently what time the star appeared.

And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child; and when ye have found him, bring me word again, that I may come and worship him also.

When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was.

When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy.

And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh.


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For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that who so ever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16
1 posted on 12/24/2012 9:06:31 PM PST by jimjohn
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To: jimjohn

Merry Christmas!

Was reading Ann Barnhardt’s blog tonight. She recently returned from a short pilgrimmage to Rome and the Sistine Chapel. Here is her take on the translation of a key passage in Luke:

Most Bibles today read Luke 2:14 as:

“Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, goodwill toward men.”

The last clause is totally wrong, and was mangled intentionally and with malice.

The Vulgate Latin, which is St. Jerome’s inspired synthesis of the original source texts triple cross-referenced against each other in Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew in preparation for the eventual setting of the canon of scripture at the Council of Carthage in 397 AD, reads thusly:

“...gloria in altissimis Deo et in terra pax in hominibus bonae voluntatis”

In English, in the Douay-Rheims translation this reads:

Glory to God in the highest; and on earth peace to men of good will.

These are two completely different ideas. Radically different. The bad, modern translation has peace and goodwill together as co-subjects, as unqualified universals: “peace, goodwill TOWARD men”. The accurate translation clearly has goodwill not as the COMPOUND SUBJECT along with peace, but as the QUALIFIER. To men OF GOOD WILL. Good will isn’t the subject, it is the OBJECT OF THE PREPOSITION.

The Peace of Our Lord is a massively qualified, and extremely rare and precious thing. When the priest says at Mass, “Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum” (The peace of the Lord be always with you), he isn’t just saying “nice things” as filler. This is a profound and precious prayer.

Why would God, in His Perfect Justice, wish good will towards those men who are at war with Him, and thus His Church? Is not the Second Person, God Incarnate in the Manger in Bethlehem, the Judge of mankind? Is not the Baby wrapped in swaddling clothes He who will sort the sheep from the goats? Is He not the One who is come to sift the wheat from the chaff? Did He not say:

“Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword.”


2 posted on 12/24/2012 9:18:19 PM PST by Sioux-san
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To: Sioux-san

Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.


3 posted on 12/24/2012 9:29:55 PM PST by Wisconsinlady (The only thing to stop a bad person with a gun, is a good person with a gun.)
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To: Sioux-san

Modern evangelical translations often render this passage as “upon whom His favor rests.” The classical KJV “good will towards men” is not necessarily an incorrect theological statement (otherwise why would there be a John 3:16) but it’s probably not a faithful rendition of the statement of the angels.


4 posted on 12/24/2012 9:37:43 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Sioux-san
The last clause is totally wrong, and was mangled intentionally and with malice.

Is that what she said? She's wrong.

The peace that the heavenly host was singing about was not peace among mankind, but a peace between God and mankind. This can be clearly seen by looking at Jesus’ statement in Matthew 10:34, which says, “Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.” Although the Gospel has changed people’s hearts and there are many instances where this change has caused peace between people, that was not what the angels were praising God for. They were rejoicing that the war between God and man was over.

As Isaiah prophesied, “Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that HER WARFARE IS ACCOMPLISHED, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the LORD’S hand double for all her sins” (Isaiah 40:2, emphasis mine).

Jesus bore our punishment so that we could be reconciled to God. This peace came through the blood sacrifice Jesus made on the cross (Colossians 1:20).

5 posted on 12/24/2012 9:54:13 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name
"I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly."

-Jesus-

6 posted on 12/24/2012 10:15:01 PM PST by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: Hoodat

YES! Thank You, Jesus, I do because of my salvation!


7 posted on 12/24/2012 10:20:59 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

And this morning as many of us peruse gifts wrapped by humans sitting under a Christmas tree, we more or less carry out a metaphor for how God wrapped His Son in a human body and revealed it to the world under a star. The wrapping wouldn’t be torn, though, for about 30 years.

Christmas presents are not wrong. But Christmas presents aren’t the meaning of Christmas, and neither is some kind of fuzzy Hallmark sentiment of goodwill that gets sent packing with the first stressful encounter.


8 posted on 12/25/2012 4:23:03 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Sioux-san

Interesting, thanks for the post.

Here’s the Latin translation:
http://www.latinvulgate.com/lv/verse.aspx?t=1&b=3&c=2

Glory to God in the highest: and on earth peace to men of good will.
gloria in altissimis Deo et in terra pax in hominibus bonae voluntatis

Here’s the Gateway NIV translation:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+2&version=NIV

“Glory to God in the highest heaven,
and on earth peace to those on whom his favor rests.”

Similar and different than what I grew up with.


9 posted on 12/25/2012 4:25:41 AM PST by gotribe
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To: gotribe

The second is closest to the original Greek. KJV tried to compromise, and while coming up unwittingly with an insight that happened to be true in itself, it did not accurately report the angels’ announcement. And neither does “men of good will.” Jesus was not sent to the world to give attaboys! Nobody would qualify but He Himself, if he had been thus sent, and nobody would be saved.


10 posted on 12/25/2012 4:30:09 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The commercialization of Christmas, all the gift buying, etc. has really, really gotten to me this year. Put me in a bad mood actually, but I’ve since adjusted my attitude. After listening to my dad talk about how grateful he and his brothers and sisters were when they received an orange and a few hard candies on their plate on Christmas morning during the Great Depression, I was thinking how spoiled we all are today and how far afield we’ve gotten from the ‘reason for the season’. This year, we aren’t doing presents except for the smallest kids. I’m doing some baking and gifts given will be the work of my hands and the love from my heart .... something personal and meaningful.

Last night, during the Christmas Eve service, we sang a hymn that I don’t recall every singing - the melody was beautiful and I saved the bulletin with the words ... just a few of them:

See amid the winter’s snow,
Born for us on earth below,
See, the gentle Lamb appears,
Promised from eternal years.

Sacred Infant, all divine,
What a tender love was Thine,
Thus to come from highest bliss
Down to such a world as this!

Hail, O ever blessed morn!
Hail, redemption’s happy dawn!
Sing through all Jerusalem:
“Christ is born in Bethlehem!”

(Merry CHRISTmas everybody - MM)


11 posted on 12/25/2012 5:28:20 AM PST by MissMagnolia
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To: jimjohn

Merry Christmas to you and your family. May HIS peace be with you always.


12 posted on 12/25/2012 5:32:38 AM PST by Marine_Uncle (I'm going John Galt.... But. Honor must be earned.)
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To: MissMagnolia

I’d keep at least one wrapped gift under a tree, or maybe under a star ornament, for its larger metaphorical value. If the gifts were handmade, fine — even if they could be only handmade Christmas cards — but I’d still go through the drill.

Handmade means a lot to children when it’s done well, and many will want to participate in the making.

But that’s just my personal point of view.


13 posted on 12/25/2012 5:36:56 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: jimjohn

Merry CHRISTmas FReepers!, JESUS, the CHRIST, the reason for the season!


14 posted on 12/25/2012 5:43:12 AM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control is it? It's really about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Not saying NO presents, period. We are doing gifts for the younger kids (youngest is 10). We’re stopping the going out and buying “stuff” just to give anybody and everybody a ‘present’. My niece and I are making our gifts (she’s crocheting, I’m baking) and the rest of the family is beginning to come around. My cousin is giving a small basket of jellies/preserves he made from his garden. For my elderly parents (79 & 90), my gift is making them a special breakfast (waiting for them to wake up now!) since mom is having issues cooking & dad still loves to eat. This evening, we’re all getting together for a family Christmas Dinner that will be what I cherish most from this holiday. That’s what I’m talking about, not spending hours running around a mall, fighting traffic, etc.


15 posted on 12/25/2012 6:04:44 AM PST by MissMagnolia
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To: jimjohn
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MERRY CHRISTMAS!

16 posted on 12/25/2012 6:12:02 AM PST by Bushbacker1 (I miss President Bush! (Oathkeeper))
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To: jimjohn

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ONE OF THE GREATEST GROUPS OF PEOPLE ON EARTH.....FREEPERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


17 posted on 12/25/2012 9:16:58 AM PST by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
we more or less carry out a metaphor for how God wrapped His Son in a human body and revealed it to the world

Not really, it's about the 3 wise men presenting gifts.

18 posted on 12/25/2012 9:18:58 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: HiTech RedNeck
we more or less carry out a metaphor for how God wrapped His Son in a human body and revealed it to the world

Not really, it's about the 3 wise men presenting gifts.

19 posted on 12/25/2012 9:19:59 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

When God sets up metaphors, He is cleverer than history.


20 posted on 12/25/2012 10:09:42 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Sets up? No. Clever? He is not human, HE IS The Almighty, He is ‘I AM’, He is INDESCRIBABLE.


21 posted on 12/25/2012 10:27:00 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

Oh, take your fake piety and show it off to your neighbors.

Even the scripture itself can and does describe the “indescribable” — enough to give it over a hundred names.

In the meantime, even if you do not wish to appreciate that here, in fact, is a Gift that was wrapped... I do.


22 posted on 12/25/2012 10:33:53 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
take your fake piety and show it off to your neighbors.

I am not 'religious'. However, your knowledge shows you are with taking offense at The Truth as the Pharisees did. What I have is from GOD - not from myself. The pompous religious think otherwise; they think *THEY* can earn it by their works. And Jesus showed us what He thought of them.

Isaiah 29:13 The Lord says: "These people come near to Me with their mouth and honor Me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me. Their worship of Me is made up only of rules taught by men."

Matthew 15:7 "You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules."

Even the scripture itself can and does describe the “indescribable” — enough to give it over a hundred names.

And yet you call HIM cleverer than history. That's human speak.

GOD is not restricted by time. He was and is and always will be. The Alpha and The Omega. Do you know HIM? I doubt it with God sets up metaphors.concerning the wise men.

Yet, HE has made Himself knowable and Jesus came so we can be reconciled with The Father. God wanted man to be reconciled with Him, so He sent Jesus The Word and The Word was made flesh.

even if you do not wish to appreciate that here, in fact, is a Gift that was wrapped... I do.

I already have IT. I received THE GIFT - that shows my appreciate for IT. Seems yours is still wrapped.

"For it is by the grace of God you have been saved, through FAITH--and this is not from yourselves, it is THE GIFT OF GOD-not by works, so that no one can boast." Eph 2:8,9

JESUS came to bring THE GIFT of GOD 'For God so loved the world He sent.....(John 3:16) and THE GIFT is salvation.

23 posted on 12/25/2012 11:47:47 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Bushbacker1

I love that graphic.

Merry Christmas, Freepers, and God’s blessings to you all.


24 posted on 12/25/2012 1:39:06 PM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: presently no screen name

Please explain where I erred at all? You were misusing the word indescribable to mean that it is impossible to say things about it that are true. The bible itself says thousands of things about it and has over a hundred names. God can even say more things through circumstance that we already recognize as literally true. How is it unholy, impious, untrue to describe Jesus as being all that the scriptures say PLUS being a gift that was wrapped. You sound very much like you maliciously lie as well as go ahead and use the thing you said was false, when you follow on and accuse me of not “unwrapping it.” I have been a born again Christian for 23 years. But I am not so uptight as to not note that other statements can be true about God that the bible, at least, does not deny. Now how about you, uptight one? Do you not see why I am calling you falsely pious?


25 posted on 12/25/2012 3:09:10 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: presently no screen name

The gift by the way is not just SALVATION. It is GOD HIMSELF. God gave HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON. Do you recognize a scripture how we are given life MORE ABUNDANTLY?

You are caviling over gnats that you are straining at. You had better be very careful before you accuse a fellow Christian of being unsaved, like you swallowed the camel and did me.


26 posted on 12/25/2012 3:17:40 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: presently no screen name

Crickets.

You went off the deep end. I recommend an apology.


27 posted on 12/25/2012 4:19:09 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
How is it unholy, impious, untrue to describe Jesus as being all that the scriptures say PLUS being a gift that was wrapped.

How is me saying He is the Almighty and He is indescribable deserve a response like this take your fake piety and show it off to your neighbors. Especially from someone who says they are saved?

I showed you the Scripture what is THE GIFT OF GOD. What do you have against that? And you said I am not appreciative of it? Where did you get that from? When I told you I received the gift - and that shows I am appreciative, I get more angst from you!!

Now how about you, uptight one? Do you not see why I am calling you falsely pious?

You call me uptight because I tell you that Jesus is indescribable when you said He's cleaverer?

I'd say you call me those names because you have a pride issue.

I'm off to enjoy my family/friends, you can stay and argue as this place is open 24/7.

28 posted on 12/25/2012 5:29:07 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

I thought you would mock, duck and run. Quite a way for a SAVED CHRISTIAN LIKE YOU to take responsibility huh?

I said those things because you were using the bible quotations to claim things that they weren’t even intended to address. That’s a sign of TRUE piety?

I recommend that you apologize, but your pride will probably never let you do it.

Sincerely,
Neck.


29 posted on 12/25/2012 5:45:34 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: jimjohn

Always loved the poem One Solitary Life by Dr. James Allan...Here is a man who was born in an obscure village, the child of a peasant woman. He grew up in another village. He worked in a carpenter shop until He was thirty. Then for three years He was an itinerant preacher.

He never owned a home. He never wrote a book. He never held an office. He never had a family. He never went to college. He never put His foot inside a big city. He never traveled two hundred miles from the place He was born. He never did one of the things that usually accompany greatness. He had no credentials but Himself...

While still a young man, the tide of popular opinion turned against him. His friends ran away. One of them denied Him. He was turned over to His enemies. He went through the mockery of a trial. He was nailed upon a cross between two thieves. While He was dying His executioners gambled for the only piece of property He had on earth – His coat. When He was dead, He was laid in a borrowed grave through the pity of a friend.

Nineteen long centuries have come and gone, and today He is a centerpiece of the human race and leader of the column of progress.

I am far within the mark when I say that all the armies that ever marched, all the navies that were ever built; all the parliaments that ever sat and all the kings that ever reigned, put together, have not affected the life of man upon this earth as powerfully as has that one solitary life.


30 posted on 12/25/2012 9:16:42 PM PST by katiedidit1
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