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Obama, Reid slam brakes on gun control
Washington Examiner ^ | December 19, 2012 | 12:38 pm | Byron York

Posted on 12/24/2012 9:59:27 PM PST by Red Steel

With President Obama’s announcement of a commission to study and recommend ways to reduce gun violence, the two most important Democrats in government — Obama and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid — have both indicated a desire to slow the momentum toward gun control in the wake of the Newtown, Connecticut school shootings. The president’s decision to appoint a blue-ribbon panel — the classic Washington ploy to defuse and delay consideration of an issue — along with Reid’s inaction on the gun question will undoubtedly frustrate many in their party who want immediate action.

Obama seemed to anticipate that frustration when he announced the creation of the commission, to be headed by Vice President Joe Biden, in the White House briefing room Wednesday morning. “This is not some Washington commission,” Obama said. “This is not something where folks are going to be studying the issue for six months and publishing a report that gets read and then pushed aside.” To stress his determination, Obama said the Biden Commission must report its findings in January. Its task, he said, is “to pull together real reforms right now.”

Obama’s move will likely dissipate the energy behind gun control advocacy on Capitol Hill. It’s unlikely that even the most pro-gun-control Democrats would want to get out in front of the Biden Commission and pass specific measures. And the political world, and the emotional intensity behind the gun issue, could be quite different even a month from now. So Obama is stopping Democratic momentum, and he knows it. Republicans know it, too. “The creation of a commission is by definition an effort to freeze in place whatever object it seeks to examine,” says one senior Republican Senate aide.

Reid apparently wants the same thing. Meeting reporters Tuesday, Reid made clear that he does not intend to do much of anything on the gun issue. Asked “what gun control measures would you support going forward?” Reid’s answer was a study in saying nothing:

REID: I watched the prayers, I watched everything that took place in Connecticut Sunday night. No one law can erase evil; that’s what the president said, and he’s right. But we need to accept the reality that we’re not doing enough to protect our citizens. I’m very happy that the president’s going to do everything he can administratively. We must engage on a thoughtful debate about how to change laws and culture that allow violence not continue to grow. Every idea should be on the table as we discuss how best to keep our children safe.

QUESTION: Can you speak specifically [about any] particular gun control measure?

REID: No. No, I’ve been very clear here. I think we have to have a full discussion.

Reid is not alone among Democrats. Although there has been much press coverage of some in the party, among them West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin and Virginia Sen. Mark Warner, who appear to have softened on gun legislation, there are others who most definitely have not. “I’m going to be one of the more cautious (ones) about doing anything on new gun laws,” Alaska Democratic Sen. Mark Begich told the Anchorage Daily News. “I want to be careful that we just don’t start throwing new laws on the books, driven by emotion, when we need to refocus on this whole issue.” Begich told the paper he preferred to concentrate on the mental illness involved in recent shootings.

In the days since the Newtown killings, many Democrats and their supporters in the press have expressed a desire to enact “meaningful” gun control as soon as possible. In two brief statements, President Obama and Harry Reid have poured some very cold water on those hopes.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: 112th; 2014; awb; backfire; backlash; banglist; bhobanglist; byronyork; gopsweep; grassroots; guncontrol; midterms; nocompromise; revolt; secondamendment; teaparty; youwillnotdisarmus
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1 posted on 12/24/2012 9:59:34 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

Hmmmm?


2 posted on 12/24/2012 10:05:39 PM PST by null and void (Going Galt: The won't of the people)
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To: Red Steel; All
they know the 2nd Amendment protects the other 9....
They been there before.

3 posted on 12/24/2012 10:05:55 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (Who'll take tomorrow,spend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0Bama man can :-)
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To: Red Steel
It's simple. A vote for gun control means bye-bye Washington come the next election.
4 posted on 12/24/2012 10:08:23 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: Red Steel
Obama and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid — have both indicated a desire to slow the momentum toward gun control in the wake of the Newtown, Connecticut school shootings.

ROTFL! One word. UNIONS! Every union creep I know has an Obama/Biden bumper sticker on one side of the bumper of their pickup and an "I'm The NRA And I Vote!" bumper sticker on the other side. Go for it boys! You Democrats will need more foreign donations next time than you needed for all of the last three elections put together.

5 posted on 12/24/2012 10:10:35 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (U.S. elections have become nothing but another cheap ripoff of American Idol.)
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To: Red Steel
Seems to me the most vocal proponents for gun control are those Senators and Congressmen who know they won't lose their seats over it. Feinstein sure as hell won't get tossed to the curb. Neither will Schumer, McCarthy or the rest of them. In order to get this passed, these people with nothing to lose will have to rally other Senators and Congressmen who are tepid at best on the issue and have everything to lose.

Sounds like some Dems are starting to wonder if it is worth throwing away their entire liberal agenda so that Dianne Feinstein can win her personal crusade of banning assault rifles, a ban Democrats know in their hearts will have no impact whatsoever on violent crime.

6 posted on 12/24/2012 10:11:42 PM PST by Drew68
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To: null and void

They are caught by their own hypocrisy.

As it turns out, the Sidwell Friends School where The Usurper sends his kids has now AND HAS ALWAYS HAD 11 (Yup! ELEVEN) full time armed guards on staff.

Kinda takes the wind out of criticizing Wayne LaPierre, eh?

In addition, The Usurper and Holder are in the process of trying to streamline and ease the restrictions on immigrants (of the documented variety) buying guns.

If they don’t defuse this thing, they will be hoisted on their own petard.

Links to both stories here -

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2972040/posts

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2971888/posts


7 posted on 12/24/2012 10:17:06 PM PST by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: Red Steel; All

http://www.washingtonguardian.com/washingtons-school-security-failure


8 posted on 12/24/2012 10:20:08 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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maybe Harry and Hussein have been reading how busy the gun shops and swap shops, and ammo shops are BUSY SELLING...

of course they have to be careful who they upset..


9 posted on 12/24/2012 10:20:52 PM PST by haircutter
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To: null and void

Just waiting for the EO’s and stronger regs from EPA.

Maybe BATF could just limit who can by guns by pure dicta.

I’m buying lowers next week and I’ll put em together later. Johnny Cash style....


10 posted on 12/24/2012 10:21:16 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Drew68

I have kept quiet on this, but I’ve been secretly hoping that the liberals go full-bore gun-control mode.


11 posted on 12/24/2012 10:21:16 PM PST by boop ("You don't look so bad, here's another")
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To: Red Steel

Must have gotten in the preliminary sales figures for last week…


12 posted on 12/24/2012 10:21:34 PM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Drew68

Begich of all people knows it’ll end his career in DC. Alaskans will throw him outta office in 2014 quicker than photo radar did to him in the 90’s. Heck back then, the state up here even made cameras illegal; people were shooting them out with 22s in Anch. Begich knows if no gun control comes down the line; he’ll get re-elected. Gun control happens he’ll get booted from office. We don’t even have concealed carry permits up here; everybody is armed.


13 posted on 12/24/2012 10:22:50 PM PST by Eska
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To: Red Steel

#1. Simply, I don’t believe either one of them.
They have waited too long for an excuse like this
to let it go to waste.

#2. Any discussion of arms control is
against the constitution.

#3. “Shall not be infringed!”

infringed = encroached upon in any way.


14 posted on 12/24/2012 10:23:48 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: shibumi

I went to Stockton High in Stockton, CA for six months and they had a police station on site, next to the cafeteria.

They made a difference and were on station many times when it counted and cops in cars were miles away.

That was 1977.


15 posted on 12/24/2012 10:28:07 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: TLI

“Just waiting for the EO’s and stronger regs from EPA.

Maybe BATF could just limit who can by guns by pure dicta.

I’m buying lowers next week and I’ll put em together later. Johnny Cash style....”

Sorry to say, but you’re about a week late to that party. Lowers, stripped and otherwise have been about as existsnt as a violent crime at a gun show since last Saturday. If you do find any, you better grab them. But be prepared to pay double the regular price at minimum.


16 posted on 12/24/2012 10:29:25 PM PST by rickomatic
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To: Red Steel

This means they’re going to screw us slowly with regulations and rules from the EPA or the ATF.


17 posted on 12/24/2012 10:29:25 PM PST by Husker24
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To: Art in Idaho
It's simple. A vote for gun control means bye-bye Washington come the next election.

Damn' straight!

18 posted on 12/24/2012 10:34:54 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Red Steel
I'd like to believe this story to be true, but I wouldn't count on it.

Obama's been re-elected already. He's not worried about his own political support and he doesn't seem the type to worry about anyone else's.

His history shows him to be all about going as far left as he can as quickly as he can. He's never had any negative consequences in life and doesn't expect that he ever will.

19 posted on 12/24/2012 10:38:27 PM PST by Washi (Socialism is Slavery)
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To: boop; ExTexasRedhead
Rahm Emanuel's domain:

Chicago's Pointless Handgun Ban

Snip: One problem is that the bans didn't actually have any discernible effect on the availability of guns to people with felonious intent. As with drugs and hookers, when there is a demand for guns, there will always be a supply.

Who places the highest value on owning a firearm? Criminals. Who is least likely to fear being prosecuted for violating the law? Criminals. Who is most likely to have access to illicit dealers? You guessed it.

Chicago Violence Scoreboard 12/23/12

520 Homicides
2,623 Shootings

20 posted on 12/24/2012 10:49:16 PM PST by MamaDearest
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To: MamaDearest

We are harvesting the violence we have planted

By: Bill Schmidtgall, Morton, IL.
It’s the heart, not the tool.
Yes the murders in Connecticut were tragic for those shot and the misguided shooter.
The solution is not more gun control. That isn’t even the issue. The issue is how to change hearts. It was the person and our derailed culture who committed this tragedy with a tool.

Consider:
1. How many would be alive today if the young man had been treated for his behavioral problems? We know how to do that, but the pressure to mainstream places a high-risk on reporting same, especially for school officials.
2. How many would be alive today if those brave souls who ran to the chaos were armed and trained?
3. Under free speech, we allow financial reward videos, songs, movies that present murder, chaos, hate as normal, no consequences, and lots of fun, which desensitizes kids and creates copycats.
4. So what is the big deal about killing when adults murder babies and call it pro choice? How many abortions were committed on the same day? I do not condone what he did, but how was it different?
5. What is needed is God-changed hearts, not more man made laws. Without changed hearts, those who intend harm, who wish to make a statement, will find the means. How did prohibition work? Not so well.
6. Hearts will only change when we acknowledge God, as our forefathers did when they wrote the constitution. We tell kids there are no absolutes, no moral code, what is right for you is right for you. We defile marriage, downplay responsibility, and develop entitlement programs that perpetuate single-parent families so kids lack role models.
And we wonder why this is happening?
We are harvesting what we have been planting for decades.

I happen to find this article in the Peoria Journal Star, December 24 issue under letters to the editor. It is always refreshing to find that there are still some clear thinking, common sense individuals left. The problem is that they are becoming outnumbered and a dying breed.

Once again this is my take Saintgermaine


21 posted on 12/24/2012 11:04:43 PM PST by saintgermaine
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To: Red Steel

The rumblings of impeachment and a coup d’etat must be registering.


22 posted on 12/24/2012 11:10:22 PM PST by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: Red Steel
Maybe King Barry can talk about gun control next quarter, too, and then brag about how strong the economy is.

You can bet the surge of gun sales made the quarter look a lot better than it would have otherwise so I suspect we’ll be seeing more on this subject whenever it looks like there will be disappointing retail sales figures on the way.

23 posted on 12/24/2012 11:12:35 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Red Steel; All
We need to ENCOURAGE a “Third Party”

A GUN CONTROL THIRD PARTY, which will be “disgusted with Obama and the Democrats” for not pushing gun control!

That would be WONDERFUL, huh?

SPLIT THE VOTE LIBS!

24 posted on 12/24/2012 11:13:06 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58
Yes, that would be an excellent ploy. You could bundle in some other "extreme left must haves" into it that Obama did not deliver in the first term and will not deliver in the first two years of his second term. Then run this national progressive party in as many congressional and Senate races as possible, splitting the vote between leftist and radical extreme leftist, allowing constitutionalists to sweep house and kick butt.

25 posted on 12/24/2012 11:21:19 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (*Too many* damned conservatives in the GOP primaries split the vote for Romney. We are SO retarded!)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

ping


26 posted on 12/24/2012 11:26:12 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (SMASH the 2nd Amendment & SURE, FedGov can come possess their guns. But it'll get their ammo first.)
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To: Red Steel

We’ll see.......


27 posted on 12/24/2012 11:43:58 PM PST by The Mayor ("If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat" — Ronald Reagan)
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To: Kansas58

Noe that’s a third party I could get behind.


28 posted on 12/24/2012 11:45:48 PM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Superciliousness is the essence of Obama)
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To: Red Steel

Does this mean we’ll start seeing .22 LR bullets on store shelves again? They seem to be somewhat in demand since November 6.


29 posted on 12/25/2012 12:05:21 AM PST by lurk
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To: Red Steel

There are plenty of Obama voters and Democrats rushing out to buy guns weapons so they can be armed for self defense and against various crazies. The could care less what the original intent of the Second Amendment is, to guard against tyranny. They just want “something” and they have some common sense

You have people who voted against their self interests. They voted for Democrats, socialists and redistributionists. They voted for a Kenyan and his mooching wife. But they still want their guns and are out buying more right now same as the Romney voters are


30 posted on 12/25/2012 1:03:13 AM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything)
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To: Red Steel

The thesis of the article is ridiculous. Saying that “Obama is stopping Democratic momentum” by distorting a couple of sentences smacks of desperation. Right now, momentum, public sentiment and the MSM are on the Democrat’s side, all the stories of shootings in the news are being framed as examples of how dangerous guns are, the NRA did such a terrible job in 2012 it is being called “weak” and “a paper tiger” on the Sunday morning talk shows, and Wayne LaPierre is being ridiculed domestically and internationally, and Biden has hinted at running in 2016 — a successful gun control agenda would be a rallying point for liberals and left-leaning independents.

If Republicans and the NRA don’t do a better job of messaging, they will lose the support of independents and the next 4 years are going to be long and ugly.


31 posted on 12/25/2012 1:18:14 AM PST by Notabunny
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To: Red Steel
...Obama said the Biden Commission must report its findings in January.

Notice that Obama did not say "which" January! He knows full well that no Blue Ribbon (bi-partisan) panel in Washington can meet and suggest changes to any law in 30 days. Typical "kick-can" Washington speak.

32 posted on 12/25/2012 1:22:34 AM PST by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation.)
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To: Red Steel

The fear is not Gun Control it is Politicians whom fear they will lose their control over the masses. This is why Odumbo and Reid are backing away - overreached with “Never let a crisis go to waste.” Odumbo and Reid have too many crisis situations going on and each crisis situation is blowing up beyond their control. Strive to defuse one just creates another!


33 posted on 12/25/2012 2:39:59 AM PST by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: Red Steel

The ghetto doesn’t want gun control.


34 posted on 12/25/2012 4:14:53 AM PST by gotribe
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To: MamaDearest

Who places the highest value on owning a firearm? Criminals. Who is least likely to fear being prosecuted for violating the law? Criminals. Who is most likely to have access to illicit dealers? You guessed it.
***************************************
You left out.... Who is most likely to vote for Obama?


35 posted on 12/25/2012 4:19:16 AM PST by octex
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To: gotribe

I think they would be pretty supportive with fewer armed targets enforced by law.


36 posted on 12/25/2012 4:22:26 AM PST by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: null and void

“Hmmmm?”

As predicted by me almost, immediately after the shootings.

The Dems know this issue is political suicide for them, and it looks like they got their polling and focus group data in to confirm it (they were stalling the first few days while that was going on).

They have ONE GOAL the next two years, and that is to take back the House, and as they learned in 1994, being on the wrong side of gun control loses seats in the House, by the dozens (and it’s worse now, with more gun owners). They WILL NOT repeat the mistake of 1994, even if it means having to step over 20 dead kids on the way to that goal (at least from their viewpoint).

They are focused like a laser on the big prize (the House) and nothing else, at all, will be allowed to get in their way.


37 posted on 12/25/2012 4:42:23 AM PST by BobL (Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21... (whatever the hell that is))
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To: Notabunny
The Washington Times poll from a couple of days ago showed 68% voted to keep the laws we have, not to pass any new bans. Considering the warmup before the CT shootings, the full court press by the MSM, the sheer bloody hatred expressed by anti-gunners in the social media (who wouldn't want the means to self-defense after reading some of the stuff those crazies have tweeted?), considering all that, I'd say the message is out.

What the MSM isn't letting on their networks is that the American people don't want to be further disarmed, and only those who will let the media tell them they don't believe what they believe will be swayed. Most people who own firearms aren't willing to give them up--they know why they bought them, they value them for hunting, self-defense, they have sentimental or historical value, or they are an investment. Whatever the reason, people who own them are not likely to relinquish them willingly, nor are they likely to support anything which requires them to in order to follow the law.

38 posted on 12/25/2012 5:04:43 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: DarthVader

The 8,000 new members per day that were joining the NRA must have caught someone’s attention. And speaking of attention the numbers signing the petition to deport Piers Morgan is still climbing. It’s past 60,000 now. Morgan may have spoken too soon when he commented that not many had signed. Running the petition into the hundreds of thousands might also be regarded as indocating that gun control is still one of the third rails of American politics.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/deport-british-citizen-piers-morgan-attacking-2nd-amendment/prfh5zHD

We need to take over the Senate in 2014. It’s looking like Rockefeller from WV will retire and possibly be replaced by a Republican now in the House. We need to start identifying which Democrat Senators are vulnerable.


39 posted on 12/25/2012 5:19:05 AM PST by meatloaf (Support Senate S 1863 & House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: Red Steel
REID: I watched the prayers, I watched everything that took place in Connecticut Sunday night. No one law can erase evil; that’s what the president said, and he’s right. But we need to accept the reality that we’re not doing enough to protect our citizens. I’m very happy that the president’s going to do everything he can administratively. We must engage on a thoughtful debate about how to change laws and culture that allow violence not continue to grow. Every idea should be on the table as we discuss how best to keep our children safe.

A finer example of argle-bargle will not be found...

40 posted on 12/25/2012 5:23:47 AM PST by COBOL2Java (kak-is-toc-ra-cy: Government by the least qualified or most unprincipled citizens. See: GOP-e)
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To: Red Steel

I guess the spike in gun sales didn’t go unnoticed.


41 posted on 12/25/2012 5:39:13 AM PST by tbpiper
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To: Red Steel

42 posted on 12/25/2012 6:06:31 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: null and void

Not much of a mystery if you follow the money. We’ve got to suspect they have investments in gun companies. Every time there’s a gun control uproar buying explodes.

And, even if they don’t like guns, they do like money.


43 posted on 12/25/2012 6:19:40 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Red Steel

Any significant changes in firearms regulations will raise a very important question: if history is any guide, compliance rates for any prohibition of magazine capacity will be very low, thus in order to achieve the level of safety that advocates insist, how many billions of the law enforcement budget dollars (not to mention manpower) will we divert away from school safety to mounting an entirely new war against these newly prohibited items?

from:
Gun Restrictions Have Always Bred Defiance, Black Markets
For reasons of their own, most people, in many countries, defy anti-gun laws
J.D. Tuccille | December 22, 2012

...
In a white paper on the results of gun control efforts around the world, Gun Control and the Reduction of the Number of Arms, Franz Csaszar, a professor of criminology at the University of Vienna, Austria, wrote, “non-compliance with harsher gun laws is a common event.”

Dr. Csaszar estimates compliance with Australia’s 1996 ban on self-loading rifles and pump-action shotguns at 20 percent.

And even that underwhelming estimate gives the authorities the benefit of the doubt. Three years after Australia’s controversial ban was implemented, when 643,000 weapons had been surrendered, Inspector John McCoomb, the head of the state of Queensland’s Weapons Licensing Branch, told The Sunday Mail, “About 800,000 (semi-automatic and automatic) SKK and SKS weapons came in from China back in the 1980s as part of a trade deal between the Australian and Chinese governments. And it was estimated that there were 1.2 million semi-automatic Ruger 10/22s in the country. That’s about 2 million firearms of just two types in the country.”

Do the math. Two million illegal firearms of just two types, and only 643,000 guns of all types were surrendered …

The Australian Shooters Journal did its own math in a 1997 article on the “gun buyback.” Researchers for the publication pointed out that the Australian government’s own low-ball, pre-ban estimate of the number of prohibited weapons in the country yielded a compliance rate of 19 percent.

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Csaszar points out that, after Austria prohibited pump-action shotguns in 1995, only 10,557 of the estimated 60,000 such guns in private hands were surrendered or registered.

And when Germany imposed gun registration in 1972, he says, owners complied by filing the appropriate paperwork on 3.2 million firearms. This was a bit awkward, since estimates of civilian stocks were in the 17-20 million range...

...
he high water mark of American compliance with gun control laws may have come with Illinois’s handgun registration law in the 1970s. About 25 percent of handgun owners actually complied, according to Don B. Kates, a criminologist and civil liberties attorney, writing in the December 1977 issue of Inquiry. After that, about 10 percent of “assault weapon” owners obeyed California’s registration law, says David B. Kopel, research director for Colorado’s Independence Institute, a free-market think-tank, and author of The Samurai, The Mountie, and The Cowboy, a book-length comparison of international firearms policies.

That one-in-10 estimate may have been generous. As the registration period came to a close in 1990, The New York Times reported “only about 7,000 weapons of an estimated 300,000 in private hands in the state have been registered.”..

link:
http://reason.com/archives/2012/12/22/gun-restrictions-have-always-bred-defian


44 posted on 12/25/2012 6:33:39 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: Red Steel

I’d like to think that such political maneuvering was the truth- but I don’t. Its smoke and mirrors designed to create the impression they are going to do nothing and then they will take the boldest steps. This administration is emboldened by its victory, and they mean to exploit it for maximum evil.


45 posted on 12/25/2012 6:40:49 AM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: Red Steel

Recommend ways to reduce gun violence,change president create jobs.


46 posted on 12/25/2012 6:43:16 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: null and void

I knew this was going nowhere when he appointed “Summer Recovery Joe” to be in charge of it.


47 posted on 12/25/2012 6:43:53 AM PST by CityCenter (Compromise is the welcome mat to deception.)
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To: boop

“Trust but Verify” - Ronald Reagan


48 posted on 12/25/2012 6:45:20 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: Red Steel

I believe I really needed to read this little dittie.

If nothing else, I FEEL a little better.


49 posted on 12/25/2012 6:54:35 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian (I hope we're ready to get a real candidate next time. C'mon GOP! <BCC><)
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To: Vendome

“I’m buying lowers next week and I’ll put em together later. Johnny Cash style....”

Welcome to the backorder list....


50 posted on 12/25/2012 6:56:19 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian (I hope we're ready to get a real candidate next time. C'mon GOP! <BCC><)
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