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Conservatives urge GOP leaders to be bold, prepare to go over cliff
The Hill ^ | 12/23/12 06:00 AM ET | Erik Wasson

Posted on 12/24/2012 11:52:16 PM PST by Olog-hai

Conservative activists who helped doom Speaker John Boehner’s (R-Ohio) “Plan B” say Republicans must be prepared to go over the fiscal cliff to force President Obama to reach a deal that includes no tax hikes. …

“I think Obama is very mindful of his legacy and is horrified of going over the cliff,” said Andy Roth of the Club for Growth. “Going over the cliff might be a signal that needs to be sent to the president, that he needs to play ball.” …

“I think it is certainly better to go over the fiscal cliff than to have the Republican party deny the American people to have one party that stands for lower taxes and another party that doesn’t,” Michael Needham of Heritage Action said last week. …

“The worst thing that Republicans can do is raise taxes,” Matt Kibbe of Freedomworks said Friday. “If Obama wants to raise taxes, he can do that, but Republicans shouldn’t give him cover. If Obama wants to go over the cliff, let him own that.” …

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: boehner; boner; fiscalcliff; taxincreases

1 posted on 12/24/2012 11:52:29 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

The media will make sure that the Tea Party owns every bad thing that happens until doomsday.


2 posted on 12/24/2012 11:55:32 PM PST by Argus
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To: Argus

So what, I say we fight for our core believes since they have none.


3 posted on 12/24/2012 11:58:04 PM PST by Trueblackman (I would rather lose on Conservative principles than vote for a RINO candidate.)
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To: Olog-hai; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; ...
RE :”“The worst thing that Republicans can do is raise taxes,” Matt Kibbe of Freedomworks said Friday. “If Obama wants to raise taxes, he can do that, but Republicans shouldn’t give him cover. If Obama wants to go over the cliff, let him own that.” …

Here's the flaw in this political strategy.

All those taxes go up January 1 without either party votes and then Obama will continue to blame Rs for them going up and every day he will get on TV and demand the house pass (extend) middle class tax cuts.
Obama: “The Republican party is blocking tax cuts for you to protect those billionaires from paying a dollar more in taxes

Obama plays to win, not to play symbolic games. We will never beat him by living in a fantasy world where these taxes stay as they are if Republicans do nothing.

4 posted on 12/25/2012 12:14:45 AM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: Trueblackman

Sure, just don’t expect Obama to “own” anything.


5 posted on 12/25/2012 12:21:43 AM PST by Argus
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To: Olog-hai
Owebama doesn't give a doom about his legacy because the propaganda media will make him out to be a demigod no matter what he does. So...quit dealing. Work to save the republic. Do that and only that. Good things will follow!
6 posted on 12/25/2012 12:41:07 AM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Olog-hai; All

Why do the news media and commentators always fail to mention that even if the tax on income over $250,000 is raised by 4.6%, all the amount under $250,000 for 100% of taxpayers will keep the Bush tax cut rate if the House approves the Senate plan.


7 posted on 12/25/2012 12:42:27 AM PST by gleeaikin
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To: Nuc 1.1

When the media stops getting paid, what are they going to say then? A propaganda media is only as good as the money they’re getting to do it.


8 posted on 12/25/2012 12:44:07 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Nuc 1.1
Doom=damn. Blasted spelling auto correct!
9 posted on 12/25/2012 12:45:25 AM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: sickoflibs; All

Furthermore, I don’t understand why conservatives are still letting themselves be dictated to by a man, Grover Norquist, who as reported here several times at FR is an apparent Muslim sympathizer. Is this why he is pushing so hard for no taxes that will damage support to our Military? What his efforts will do to our military if sequestration is allowed to take place borders on treason.


10 posted on 12/25/2012 12:46:56 AM PST by gleeaikin
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To: Olog-hai
As that may be. It isn't about pay. It is about being brain washed and belong to a group. Merry Christmas FReeper. Bed time for this little one.
11 posted on 12/25/2012 12:48:59 AM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Olog-hai
“I think it is certainly better to go over the fiscal cliff than to have the Republican party deny the American people to have one party that stands for lower taxes and another party that doesn’t,” Michael Needham of Heritage Action said last week."

Agree 100%.
If the Republicans cave on taxes, the GOP is through. Period.

And that includes the lame "additional revenues from closing loopholes and deductions" crap. More tax dollars confiscated and dumped down the government toilet is more tax dollars removed from the private sector and dumped down the government toilet where Democrat politicians can use it for growing government and buying the votes of the moocher class.

“The worst thing that Republicans can do is raise taxes,” Matt Kibbe of Freedomworks said Friday. “If Obama wants to raise taxes, he can do that, but Republicans shouldn’t give him cover. If Obama wants to go over the cliff, let him own that.”

And Ubama WILL own it. History will record that whatever happens happened on Ubama's watch. Nobody will even remember who was in Congress at the time, or who the Speaker of the House was or who the Senate Majority Leader was. The FAIL will be Ubama's alone.

12 posted on 12/25/2012 12:53:03 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Olog-hai
First on this wonderful morning let me start off by wishing everyone a very Merry Christmas!

Why do conservatives care what the useless republicans do? I sure don't! Stop relying on the loser republican's to do conservative bidding, they won't do it because they are mostly rino prix!

13 posted on 12/25/2012 3:58:00 AM PST by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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To: Olog-hai
Now that the latest fiscal cliff has come and gone, now it's time to vote on permanent tax rates and other changes to laws.

No more 1-year or 2-year or 2-month extensions because of a "temporary" downtown in the economy.

No more silly "payroll tax holidays", which only help to bankrupt Al Gore's Social Security Lockbox even faster.

Time to leave the Coolest Kid In Junior High to his golf games and snappy patter, while the adults take care of business. Let the media follow Obama; he means nothing anyway. While the CKIJH makes whiny noises for his followers in the media, the adults who actually want to make a difference need to act in the best interest of this country.

14 posted on 12/25/2012 4:05:22 AM PST by Bernard (John Kerry as SOS will be the almost-perfect symbol of the Obama administration.)
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To: Olog-hai

Anything the GOP says or claims is wrong. Obama would LOVE to go over the fiscal cliff and destroy the GOP once and for all.


15 posted on 12/25/2012 4:09:45 AM PST by gotribe
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To: Argus

This fiscal cliff thing is a win/win for the Communist Obama. He gets his tax raises, and as a bonus they are on everybody, and he gets to blame Republicans for it with a full media assault driving it home nightly. This is exactly what he wanted and played Boner and the Republicans like a fiddle.


16 posted on 12/25/2012 4:50:15 AM PST by DaiHuy (May God save the country, for it is evident the people will not! Millard Fillmore)
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To: DaiHuy

As we watch our country disintegrate into a morass of political corruption, we apologize to our grandchildren. It was our generation who didn’t protect the freedoms we see slipping away. It was our generation who let our politicians throw away our freedoms and to run up debt that our grandchildren will have to repay. We know only a handful of people who do not fear for our country. We tried. We tried but we didn’t try hard enough.


17 posted on 12/25/2012 5:48:10 AM PST by svxdave (Life is too short to wear a fake Rolex.)
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To: Argus
"The media will make sure that the Tea Party owns every bad thing that happens until doomsday."

. . . and will continue to do so until the GOP stops permitting them to do it and fights back.

18 posted on 12/25/2012 6:06:01 AM PST by I am Richard Brandon
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To: Olog-hai

Obama&Co own the cliff and the MSM can’t cover it up,their word is useless.


19 posted on 12/25/2012 6:27:43 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: Olog-hai
“I think Obama is very mindful of his legacy and is horrified of going over the cliff,” said Andy Roth of the Club for Growth

Andy Roth doesn't understand Obama.

At all.

20 posted on 12/25/2012 6:30:12 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved, or not at all)
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To: Olog-hai
“I think Obama is very mindful of his legacy and is horrified of going over the cliff,” said Andy Roth of the Club for Growth

WRONG.

Obama IS the cliff.

21 posted on 12/25/2012 6:31:28 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved, or not at all)
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To: gleeaikin
if the House approves the Senate plan

How can the Senate have a plan?

All tax bills must begin in the House.

22 posted on 12/25/2012 6:34:01 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved, or not at all)
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To: Nuc 1.1

“doesn’t give a doom about his legacy”

Ah this kinda fits too, and it’s also funny :D

Merry Christmas!


23 posted on 12/25/2012 7:53:01 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Olog-hai
How I am learning to love the Cliff...
It hits the liberal high tax states of both coasts the hardest. Its a different sort of game than we are used to. This cliff will hurt me, no doubt, but it will not hurt me near as much as someone in New York especially New York City. Liberals have a history of making others pay for their generosity but this time they will have to pay. Wages and non earned income are the highest in liberal land so the value of deductions are highest. Some of those states will not survive significantly higher taxes.

Only down side is that their residents will flee to the good states.

24 posted on 12/25/2012 8:14:45 AM PST by FreedomNotSafety
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To: svxdave

Our grandchildren dont have to repay a single dime if they choose not to. The current generations keep repeating the mantra “our grandchildren will have to pay” in an attempt to secure their Social Security and Medicare welfare benefits.

The next generation could say no more and end it. They can have their politicians repudiate the debt. Flame Thomas Jefferson if you dispute this thinking. Also see the definiton of Sovereign Debt.


25 posted on 12/25/2012 8:21:30 AM PST by FreedomNotSafety
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To: DaiHuy
This fiscal cliff thing is a win/win for the Communist Obama. He gets his tax raises, and as a bonus they are on everybody, and he gets to blame Republicans for it with a full media assault driving it home nightly.

Yep. And after a few months of paying Clinton-era tax rates, the Democrats will ride to the rescue with tax cuts for the middle class and just dare the Republicans to vote against it.

26 posted on 12/25/2012 8:31:37 AM PST by Drew68
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To: Olog-hai

Guess what, nobody is going to die or be harmed from this little cliff. Look out for the one we are free falling from in Obamanomics.

Merry Christmas


27 posted on 12/25/2012 8:40:12 AM PST by bray (Welcome to Obamaville)
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To: gleeaikin
RE :”Furthermore, I don’t understand why conservatives are still letting themselves be dictated to by a man, Grover Norquist, who as reported here several times at FR is an apparent Muslim sympathizer. Is this why he is pushing so hard for no taxes that will damage support to our Military? What his efforts will do to our military if sequestration is allowed to take place borders on treason.”

Norquist is an interesting character. Before last week I could of sworn that he was threatening any Republican who votes for a partial extension of the Bush rates, but then last week with plan B he said that is technically not a tax increase.

I dont know where the automatic military cuts came from, they just appeared out of the blue in the Budget control act (2011) cited as a Republican deficit reduction victory , then Republicans spent most of this year 2012 warning how terrible they would be. So why didnt they offer sensible cuts to the military instead?

I have no problem with Republicans playing hardball if it leads to them beating O(for a change) , but watching them now it certainly seems that they are going to screw this one up too. It doesn't look like they know what they are doing, what will the argument be when they all go up? This writer seems to imply that they will just say "Obama raised your taxes" and do nothing.

The 2010 lame duck Senate minority Rs created this time-bomb by forcing an extension of all the cuts for two more years. If the upper ones went up early 2011 and the economy slowed (for any reason)Obama would have had less chance of this second term. That two year extension was the best luck O had, now it is trap for Republicans because they have the House now.

28 posted on 12/25/2012 10:18:15 AM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: Argus
The media will make sure that the Tea Party owns every bad thing that happens until doomsday.

Yep, and that may work in the short term. But history will record that the epic FAIL happened on Ubama's watch. Nobody will even remember the Speaker of the House or the Senate Majority Leader.

29 posted on 12/25/2012 10:33:06 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: FreedomNotSafety
The next generation could say no more and end it. They can have their politicians repudiate the debt.

The "next generation" will be even more spoiled and "entitled" than the Democrat moocher scum who elected Ubama. They're going to suddenly stand up and say, "I want to work hard and become successful and self reliant."? A few will, sure, but the rest of the ignorant scum that oozes out of the government schools? I don't think so.

Face it, home, America is dead. The Democrats have won.

30 posted on 12/25/2012 10:41:40 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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