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1 dead, 3 at large in home invasion at apartment complex(NV)
lasvegassun.com ^ | 24 December, 2012 | Tovin Lapan

Posted on 12/25/2012 9:20:27 AM PST by marktwain

A suspect is dead and police are seeking three of his cohorts after an apparent home invasion Monday morning at a Las Vegas apartment complex.

Metro Police responded about 10:10 a.m. Monday to La Ventana Apartment Homes, 2901 N. Rainbow Blvd., near West Cheyenne Avenue, after a 911 call from neighbors.

Metro Lt. Ray Steiber said four suspects – at least one of them carrying a firearm – knocked on the door of a first-floor apartment occupied by a couple and their infant. The assailants barged in when the woman occupant answered the door. The intruders were met with armed resistance.

Witnesses reported hearing gunfire exchanged, first inside the apartment and then outside.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: banglist; defense; guncontrol; home; nv; secondamendment
If I were fighting four intruders, I would want a 30 round magazine.
1 posted on 12/25/2012 9:20:38 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

In 2000 I lived on that block. It was modern middle income suburbia. By 2005 the gangs ruled it.

Glad I left when I did.


2 posted on 12/25/2012 9:23:38 AM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Monkey Face

Ping...


3 posted on 12/25/2012 9:26:41 AM PST by null and void (Going Galt: The won't of the people)
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To: marktwain

I love these stories about “hostile work places”.


4 posted on 12/25/2012 9:26:41 AM PST by Tupelo (I'm an old man and most people hate me, but I don't like them either so that makes it all even.)
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To: marktwain

I am going to reserve judgement until we know more. The immediate instinct is to show this as yet another example of someone with a gun defending his/her family.

But for all we know this was one gang member or dope dealer using a street gun against other gang members or dope dealers.


5 posted on 12/25/2012 9:27:51 AM PST by freedumb2003 (MOLON LABE)
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To: marktwain

This is an example of the need for high capacity magazines. Three got away.


6 posted on 12/25/2012 9:28:09 AM PST by lurk
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To: marktwain

Holy cow! Why didn’t the police stop these guys??! Isn’t that against the law in Vegas??


7 posted on 12/25/2012 9:43:26 AM PST by Dr. Pritchett
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To: marktwain

Not me, give me a short 12 gauge pump and lots of OO buck


8 posted on 12/25/2012 9:43:58 AM PST by exnavy (Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: marktwain

I would say that this illustrates that one must be prepared to defend one’s family all the time and at anytime.

To let one’s guard down even for a minute on this Monday morning in particular could have resulted in disaster.

I think this shows that a loaded gun in the presence of a baby saved that baby and its family.

Had it been unloaded and locked in a safe, it would have not even been there.

No attempt should be made to disarm this country.

None.

To those people who choose to commit evil crimes with the tool of freedom, see to it that they get justice, and only them.


9 posted on 12/25/2012 9:44:47 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: marktwain

Santa introduced the perps to a Christmas present: The 2nd Amendment. Helloo.


10 posted on 12/25/2012 9:57:50 AM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools we will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: exnavy

A semi-auto shotgun has roughly 2x the rate of fire of a pump.

Also suspect 00 buck has problems when used as a load for an interior firefight. I doubt it has much more stopping power than smaller shot at such ranges, while it is most certainly more likely to penetrate walls.


11 posted on 12/25/2012 10:12:31 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: marktwain

Which its why my Glock has 15 hollow points in it, another mag close by, and the AR has 30 hollow points in it. To hell with magazine capacity limits when you might be facing multiple intruders...


12 posted on 12/25/2012 10:17:32 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: exnavy

Screw the pump. I’d use my 930SPX.


13 posted on 12/25/2012 10:25:23 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Sherman Logan
A semi-auto shotgun has roughly 2x the rate of fire of a pump.

Love my matched set of Browning 20 gauge and 12 Gauge. Keep them clean and oiled....they work every time.

Oh, yeah, my S&W 357 mag for a side arm.

FMCDH(BITS)

14 posted on 12/25/2012 10:28:33 AM PST by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: Sherman Logan; Gaffer

I’m thinking any shotgun is better than a handgun, or rifle, for close quarters combat. The fact that only one perp is down is proof positive.


15 posted on 12/25/2012 10:49:17 AM PST by exnavy (Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: Sherman Logan

true but the sound of racking a round into a shotgun is universally and worldwide known as oh $hit I messed up. It is a good defense. on the other hand by the time they hear the semi auto rack it has already gone off once and the oh $hit moment maybe too late to mentally register before the lead met its target. pays yer money and take your choice.


16 posted on 12/25/2012 10:49:56 AM PST by rolling_stone
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To: marktwain

This is exactly what the left wants to take away from us. They want the criminal to waltz right in and take what is “rightfully” his from the “oppressors.”


17 posted on 12/25/2012 10:53:46 AM PST by I want the USA back (NRA Life member.)
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To: exnavy; All
I’m thinking any shotgun is better than a handgun, or rifle, for close quarters combat. The fact that only one perp is down is proof positive.

A modern sport utility rifle (carbine for maneuverability) with a 30 round magazine and soft-point/frangible ammunition will limit over-penetration yet penetrate most common body armor. Very controllable and very fast.

18 posted on 12/25/2012 10:59:36 AM PST by marktwain
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To: Sherman Logan

“A semi-auto shotgun has roughly 2x the rate of fire of a pump.”

NOT IF YOU PRACTICE! A semiautomatic SG is limited to the speed of the action cycling. A pump can shoot at the rate you can pump (which some can do faster than the speed of your semi.). Plus, a pump is less particular about which ammo goes through it.


19 posted on 12/25/2012 11:04:34 AM PST by Dr. Pritchett
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To: Sherman Logan

Yes, I’d think birdshot would be plenty / more effective and have less collateral problems than 00 buck. Especially at room distances.

I sure as hell would not want to get hit with it.


20 posted on 12/25/2012 11:12:14 AM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: freedumb2003; marktwain

Gee.... Christmas Eve Socializing sure has changed since I was a kid.

Back then, we got a gun for Christmas.

Now, you need a gun to make it to Christmas.


21 posted on 12/25/2012 11:15:32 AM PST by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: marktwain
If I were fighting four intruders, I would want a 30 round magazine.

THANK YOU. My co-workers asked me last week why I need 20 and 30 round clips and I said "What if I am attacked my three or four guys?" and they were all like "If you need 30 shots for four guys you suck at shooting." and I was like "They're not gonna walk right out in the open and let me shoot 'em." Morons.

22 posted on 12/25/2012 11:23:00 AM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: exnavy
any shotgun is better than a ... rifle, for close quarters combat

Never quite understood this one. I think the general perception that a shotgun is more effective is based on the notion that the spread of shot makes it more likely to get a hit.

Of course, back in the real world there is essentially no spread at the distances seen in interior combat.

IOW, if you would have hit him with a shotgun you would also have hit him with a rifle.

Depending on the rounds involved, shotguns are less likely to shoot thru walls or even entire houses, but I don't think that is what the myth of shotgun superiority over rifles is based on.

23 posted on 12/25/2012 11:33:04 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: marktwain
*** If I were fighting four intruders, I would want a 30 round magazine. ***

Dam right. Or Fifteen for a handgun.

Ten rounds in any firearm makes it a very iffy situation against four thugs.
[Unless you're the 2nd coming of Doc Holliday or 'Wild Bill']

24 posted on 12/25/2012 11:39:41 AM PST by Condor51 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: exnavy
You should ask Santa for this...

Also ask him for the FRAG MISSILE rounds.


25 posted on 12/25/2012 11:46:03 AM PST by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: Dr. Pritchett
What? You believe that a pump shotgun can fire as fast or faster than a semiautomatic shot gun?

I strongly beg to differ. My semiautomatic Browning is MUCH faster than my pump Winchester. Both are kept in primo condition of course and the Browning is easily 2X faster if not more. I have been using the pump Winchester for 50 years and the semiautomatic Browning for 45 years so think that I have a handle on their capabilities by now.

BTW... My other long guns are a pump Remington 22 that I got when I was about 10 and my granddad's Winchester 30-30 when I was 17. Gotta love growing up on a ranch.

26 posted on 12/25/2012 11:57:15 AM PST by Hootowl99
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To: marktwain

Death to communists and their shock troops.


27 posted on 12/25/2012 12:36:35 PM PST by MrBambaLaMamba (This Message Contains Privileged Attorney-Client Communications)
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To: Sherman Logan
What do you recommend? Birdshot? Any particular number shell? I have a Remy 870 Tactical and a Remy 1187 Tactical Autoloader w/ .00 buck, but am more practiced with my Kimber .45 ACPs .230gr HP, in an interior situation (IDPA). At 10ft, my Remys' .00 buck give a 1¾-2" pattern.
28 posted on 12/25/2012 1:19:39 PM PST by carriage_hill (Have A Very Merry Christmas & A Happy New Year!)
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To: Hootowl99

“What? You believe that a pump shotgun can fire as fast or faster than a semiautomatic shot gun?”

Yes. With all due respect, I have seen it done... And this is by normal guys like you and me, not by some trick shooter at a show. I completely understand your skepticism, as I felt the same way before I saw it for myself. You should break that Winchester out and set to giving it a go!!! With your experience, I have no doubt that you could get there. Merry Christmas and good luck!!


29 posted on 12/25/2012 2:25:48 PM PST by Dr. Pritchett
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To: carriage_hill

I am nothing even vaguely resembling an expert.

There are others around here that will be a lot more use to you for advice.

All I know is that 00 buck is a lot more likely to go through walls, and at really close range I also don’t think there’s a huge amount of difference in the wound produced between shot types.

But, as said, not an expert.


30 posted on 12/25/2012 3:25:01 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: carriage_hill; Sherman Logan
What do you recommend?

Check it out... Ballistic Testing, Shotguns ... click on the left side caliber links.

31 posted on 12/25/2012 4:07:35 PM PST by Gritty (This election represents the last exit ramp before the death spiral - Mark Steyn)
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To: Gritty; Sherman Logan

Thanks for the shot ballistics videos; opened my eyes.


32 posted on 12/25/2012 4:35:33 PM PST by carriage_hill (Have A Very Merry Christmas & A Happy New Year!)
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To: marktwain
The intruders were met with armed resistance.

As it should be.

33 posted on 12/25/2012 9:05:13 PM PST by SandyInSeattle (2 Corinthians 4:8)
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To: Gritty; carriage_hill; Sherman Logan

Note that the tests were all some sort of buckshot or slug. I switched from #4 birdshot to 00 buckshot in my shotguns based on the following from the “Box of Truth” website. Not scientific, but makes sense to me:

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot14_4.htm

2. Remington 55 grain JSP and Frangible 5.56 also penetrated all 4 walls. So did the .30 Carbine.

When shooting rifles, walls are concealment, not cover.

3. 00 Buck penetrates 4 walls with ease. It is a great “Stopping” round, but there is a price to pay.

Until someone invents a “Phaser” like on Star Trek, anything that will stop a bad guy, will also penetrate several walls.

4. Birdshot does not excessively penetrate drywall walls. But it does not penetrate deeply enough to reach a bad guy’s vital organs. Birdshot makes a nasty but shallow wound. It is not a good Stopper.

Use Birdshot for little birds. Use 00 Buckshot for bad guys.


34 posted on 12/25/2012 9:22:16 PM PST by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: 21twelve

Thanks; good advice. Guess I’ll stay w/ .00 buck loads. I don’t shoot little birds.


35 posted on 12/26/2012 1:37:17 AM PST by carriage_hill (Have A Very Merry Christmas & A Happy New Year!)
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To: carriage_hill
What do you recommend? Birdshot? Any particular number shell?

For CQB inside, use '0' or #1. It put out the most effective lead out into the best pattern. Also lessens over-penetration.
#1 is particularly recommended for inside work. If it is for a mixture then go with #1 & single 0.

36 posted on 12/26/2012 4:20:04 AM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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To: Tainan

Thanks.


37 posted on 12/26/2012 4:45:49 AM PST by carriage_hill (Have A Very Merry Christmas & A Happy New Year!)
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