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Old Headstones From 19th Century Cemetery Used To Prevent Erosion (govt worker condones)
CBS Philly ^ | December 22 | Steve Tawa

Posted on 12/25/2012 12:57:08 PM PST by PghBaldy

...Delaware River Port Authority’s Tim Ireland says the bodies of the deceased were moved elsewhere and the grave markers were deliberately left behind.

“These are not stones that are looking for loved ones. These are basically just pieces of granite that were left behind,” Ireland explains.

(Excerpt) Read more at philadelphia.cbslocal.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: cemetery; drpa; headstones; philly
I just found this, could not find it posted. Seems it happened in the 1950s. It is disgusting, especially since the govt idiot does not condemn it.
1 posted on 12/25/2012 12:57:21 PM PST by PghBaldy
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To: PghBaldy

There was a cemetery in Vermont where I spotted pieces of headstones in the rock wall surrounding the cemetery. Very sad.


2 posted on 12/25/2012 12:59:53 PM PST by NonValueAdded (If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, you've likely misread the situation.)
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To: PghBaldy

Sick


3 posted on 12/25/2012 1:03:14 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: NonValueAdded

A 2nd cousin 1x removed of mine, and some 3rd great grandparents are buried in a cemetery which was vandalized in the 1960s, and some stones were used as a makeshift wall. The area surrounding the cemetery is mostly black now, but it was a German cemetery in the 19th Century. It is small, and the church can’t afford to fix it. Very sad.


4 posted on 12/25/2012 1:06:14 PM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: PghBaldy

The Nazi’s stole the headstones from the Jewish cemeteries around Lviv, broke them up, and used them to pave the roads. One of the largest Jewish cemeteries in the world was there.


5 posted on 12/25/2012 1:11:07 PM PST by SeeSharp
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To: PghBaldy

IIRC, there was a stink raised a few years ago when headstones were being used at Arlington National Cemetary to line ditches. The official story was the stones were rejects.


6 posted on 12/25/2012 1:12:15 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: PghBaldy

I suspect the government worker lied about the bodies being moved as well. That is, the cemetery was used in the 1830s, so there was not going to be a whole lot of bodies or even coffins left by the 1950s.


7 posted on 12/25/2012 1:22:20 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Pennies and Nickels will NO LONGER be Minted as of 1/1/13 - Tim Geithner, US Treasury Sect)
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To: PghBaldy

Okay, so once a piece of stone has been used for a grave marker it should be held in reverence forever?


8 posted on 12/25/2012 1:24:18 PM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: PLMerite
These are not stones that are looking for loved ones. These are basically just pieces of granite that were left behind,” Ireland explains.

Yes, they are. Once a gravestone, always a gravestone. Yes, the should be held in reverence forever. If nothing else, move them to where the bodies are "supposed" to be buried and at least stand them in an area nearby since there's probably no records of who's where.

9 posted on 12/25/2012 1:39:30 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: bgill
We had a lot of people live where Jefferson proving ground was built. It's been decommissioned and sold off for other uses. The stones were mostly destroyed by military activity including testing uranium bullets.

Then a bunch were located where Fort Knox is today. The military pledged to not disturb the stones. Instead they ran over them with tanks.

What you need to always make sure of is that your ancestors didn't bury their dead anywhere somebody might some value in the future. Then you're OK.

10 posted on 12/25/2012 2:22:46 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: bgill
Almost forgot, there was an enormous Mohican ossuary at their capital/county seat ~ Shodak New York (on Shodak island).

About 9,000 years worth of bones were taken to use as ballast on the New York Central railroad paralleling the Hudson River.

I'd guess we had some people there too.

11 posted on 12/25/2012 2:25:29 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Interesting! Myself and 3-4 others got special access to JPG prior to and after the shutdown. We had free access to the whole 55,000 acres since one of our crew worked there for over 20 years. We worked the DU areas, the HE, impact zones, all except for the target range on the remaining 1000 acres for the Guards. We had access for all of this to locate and document the caves that are there. We found 33 caves on the 5 main creeks running through the property.

What a great place to visit and explore. We also had access to Old Timbers Lodge and all the buildings on the south end and was allowed to camp over night numerous times.

The story told to us what that the graves had been moved outside the Grounds. Can’t prove it but that’s the word.

My Mother’s family was kicked out of Atterbury at the same time(1940) JPG was taken over. Another side fact was that we got almost full access to Crane Ammunition Depot to also look for caves.


12 posted on 12/25/2012 2:37:02 PM PST by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: caver
There are folks still veryifying the Army's claims regarding graves inside Jefferson.

And about those Crane caves ~ I've heared every now and then that the Navy really does want to know about undiscovered caves. I gather they started stuffing away nukes before they realized what KARST LAND meant. Probably a bunch of guys who grew up on granite outcrops or something.

13 posted on 12/25/2012 2:43:29 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

They were real interested in what we could find. Crane also has biological, chemical and all sorts of other stuff that they would not let us near. It was still fun, anyway.

There aren’t too many people that know what “karst” is. I’ve been a caver since the early 80’s and have been involved in organized caving since the late 80’s.


14 posted on 12/25/2012 2:59:04 PM PST by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: caver

Floyd Collins is on my family genealogical chart as a cousin ~ several times over. My Great Grandmother Hughes grew up on one of the Donnell family cattle farms near Mammoth cave. When she was a child she recalls a cow dropping into a cave and then wandering around mooing until she died.


15 posted on 12/25/2012 3:03:53 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: PLMerite

When I put the headstone on my daughters grave, i didn’t just put it there for myself and maybe the next generation to enjoy and then “who gives a shit” I put it there for forever! Thats why I bought granite and not, say, WOOD! Hope no one ever wants to check into their geneology and thinks that they may actually find graves of their relatives.


16 posted on 12/25/2012 3:19:46 PM PST by annelizly
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To: PghBaldy

Is the graveyard you describe in Philadelphia?


17 posted on 12/25/2012 4:09:08 PM PST by Bigg Red (Sorry, Mr. Franklin, I guess we couldn't keep it.)
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To: PghBaldy

In my #17, I am asking about the German graveyard you mention that has the graves of relatives. I was just wondering if it is at St. Boniface.


18 posted on 12/25/2012 4:14:24 PM PST by Bigg Red (Sorry, Mr. Franklin, I guess we couldn't keep it.)
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To: caver

Sometime in the 90s part of JPG was used for field evaluations of different concepts for locating buried unexploded ordnance. A goodly number of the unplanted unknowns found turned out to be plowshares ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page ) remaining from before time the area was confiscated by the government when the land was in private hands and farmed. I have never plowed with a single bottom plow pulled with horses, but I would think that loss of a plowshare would be noticed immediately. Probably not so with a multi-bottomed tractor towed device.

If JPG is typical, there must be a lot of iron buried on the nation’s farmland.


19 posted on 12/25/2012 6:15:44 PM PST by Western Phil
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To: muawiyah

That would surely be fun being close to Mammoth.


20 posted on 12/25/2012 7:05:34 PM PST by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: Western Phil

We camped in a certain area at JPG over a weekend. We took along a metal detector and checked the area where we had set up the tents and a camp fire. The metal detector was going crazy the whole time we were sweeping it. We dug up so much shrapnel that we finally just said forget it.


21 posted on 12/25/2012 7:11:27 PM PST by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: Bigg Red

No, it is not in Philly. It is Pittsburgh.


22 posted on 12/25/2012 7:58:22 PM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: muawiyah

Doodletown NY (just below West Point along the Hudson River) was taken by the state via emminent domain in the mid-1960s. Bear Mountain State Park had been buying property lots there for decades, but couldn’t convince everyone to sell so they took the remaining properties. The original cemetery (there are still 2 others there) had disappeared by 1965 (it was from the late 18th century), and workers remembered using the stones to line ditches in the 1930s (it was like a CCC project).

Disgraceful; there are still small cemeteries throughout the parks there, some protected by a preacher that used to travel between the small settlements that had existed there.


23 posted on 12/26/2012 4:22:35 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: PghBaldy

Okay, thanks. Just curious. My father, b. 1911, was baptized at St. Boniface in Philadelphia.


24 posted on 12/26/2012 5:18:09 AM PST by Bigg Red (Sorry, Mr. Franklin, I guess we couldn't keep it.)
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To: caver
There was this event called the Underground Railroad. Parts of it became fairly well known ~ particularly in the Eastern states. In the Midwest there was a branch that ran up through Kentucky and you would go from there across the Ohio, and then to safe houses all through Indiana and Ohio.

There's more to it than that ~ the Indians had earlier ~ centuries earlier ~ laid out an outline of the Big Dipper ~ a small one toward Richmond Indiana, and a large one that extended from the council circle at Seymour up into Michigan North of the St. Joseph river.

That was the trail ~ no way to get lost with a map in the sky.

Along the way I've found that Quaker farmers owned all the land all along that trail. It actually runs through the Mammoth Cave park area. The Hughes family, who'd earlier settled mostly in SE Indiana and SW Ohio, expanded in the 1840s into Kentucky.

Best I can tell you could travel from Tennessee to Michigan and never leave a Hughes farm. Not all of them went by that name ~ there are, after all 11 other classic Welsh names ~ and there were marriages with Abolitionist Scots ~ so lots of Macs, Mcs, O's and whatevers in the crowd, but all cousins with roots back to Cardiganshire, Wales.

My longest lived Great Grandmother grew up on one of those farms near Mammoth ~ and later on inherited a chunk of the orchard lands where they buried slavecatchers ~ probably didn't even tell her about it though my Great Aunts seemed to know.

After the Civil War part of the properties were given over to a Freed Man's school to teach former slaves how to read, write, use math, lay bricks, cut stone, plough a field ~ that's been closed for a very long time but recently someone made note of its existence. May go there to see what's left.

25 posted on 12/26/2012 7:00:51 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Interesting family history on your side!


26 posted on 12/26/2012 10:19:33 AM PST by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: PLMerite

I don’t know what the answer is, but to lie in the muck of a river? Sorry for late reply. Happy New Year.


27 posted on 12/29/2012 1:56:19 PM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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