Skip to comments.Old Headstones From 19th Century Cemetery Used To Prevent Erosion (govt worker condones)
Posted on 12/25/2012 12:57:08 PM PST by PghBaldy
...Delaware River Port Authoritys Tim Ireland says the bodies of the deceased were moved elsewhere and the grave markers were deliberately left behind.
These are not stones that are looking for loved ones. These are basically just pieces of granite that were left behind, Ireland explains.
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There was a cemetery in Vermont where I spotted pieces of headstones in the rock wall surrounding the cemetery. Very sad.
A 2nd cousin 1x removed of mine, and some 3rd great grandparents are buried in a cemetery which was vandalized in the 1960s, and some stones were used as a makeshift wall. The area surrounding the cemetery is mostly black now, but it was a German cemetery in the 19th Century. It is small, and the church can’t afford to fix it. Very sad.
The Nazi’s stole the headstones from the Jewish cemeteries around Lviv, broke them up, and used them to pave the roads. One of the largest Jewish cemeteries in the world was there.
IIRC, there was a stink raised a few years ago when headstones were being used at Arlington National Cemetary to line ditches. The official story was the stones were rejects.
I suspect the government worker lied about the bodies being moved as well. That is, the cemetery was used in the 1830s, so there was not going to be a whole lot of bodies or even coffins left by the 1950s.
Okay, so once a piece of stone has been used for a grave marker it should be held in reverence forever?
Yes, they are. Once a gravestone, always a gravestone. Yes, the should be held in reverence forever. If nothing else, move them to where the bodies are "supposed" to be buried and at least stand them in an area nearby since there's probably no records of who's where.
Then a bunch were located where Fort Knox is today. The military pledged to not disturb the stones. Instead they ran over them with tanks.
What you need to always make sure of is that your ancestors didn't bury their dead anywhere somebody might some value in the future. Then you're OK.
About 9,000 years worth of bones were taken to use as ballast on the New York Central railroad paralleling the Hudson River.
I'd guess we had some people there too.
Interesting! Myself and 3-4 others got special access to JPG prior to and after the shutdown. We had free access to the whole 55,000 acres since one of our crew worked there for over 20 years. We worked the DU areas, the HE, impact zones, all except for the target range on the remaining 1000 acres for the Guards. We had access for all of this to locate and document the caves that are there. We found 33 caves on the 5 main creeks running through the property.
What a great place to visit and explore. We also had access to Old Timbers Lodge and all the buildings on the south end and was allowed to camp over night numerous times.
The story told to us what that the graves had been moved outside the Grounds. Can’t prove it but that’s the word.
My Mother’s family was kicked out of Atterbury at the same time(1940) JPG was taken over. Another side fact was that we got almost full access to Crane Ammunition Depot to also look for caves.
And about those Crane caves ~ I've heared every now and then that the Navy really does want to know about undiscovered caves. I gather they started stuffing away nukes before they realized what KARST LAND meant. Probably a bunch of guys who grew up on granite outcrops or something.
They were real interested in what we could find. Crane also has biological, chemical and all sorts of other stuff that they would not let us near. It was still fun, anyway.
There aren’t too many people that know what “karst” is. I’ve been a caver since the early 80’s and have been involved in organized caving since the late 80’s.
Floyd Collins is on my family genealogical chart as a cousin ~ several times over. My Great Grandmother Hughes grew up on one of the Donnell family cattle farms near Mammoth cave. When she was a child she recalls a cow dropping into a cave and then wandering around mooing until she died.
When I put the headstone on my daughters grave, i didn’t just put it there for myself and maybe the next generation to enjoy and then “who gives a shit” I put it there for forever! Thats why I bought granite and not, say, WOOD! Hope no one ever wants to check into their geneology and thinks that they may actually find graves of their relatives.
Is the graveyard you describe in Philadelphia?
In my #17, I am asking about the German graveyard you mention that has the graves of relatives. I was just wondering if it is at St. Boniface.
Sometime in the 90s part of JPG was used for field evaluations of different concepts for locating buried unexploded ordnance. A goodly number of the unplanted unknowns found turned out to be plowshares ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page ) remaining from before time the area was confiscated by the government when the land was in private hands and farmed. I have never plowed with a single bottom plow pulled with horses, but I would think that loss of a plowshare would be noticed immediately. Probably not so with a multi-bottomed tractor towed device.
If JPG is typical, there must be a lot of iron buried on the nation’s farmland.
That would surely be fun being close to Mammoth.
We camped in a certain area at JPG over a weekend. We took along a metal detector and checked the area where we had set up the tents and a camp fire. The metal detector was going crazy the whole time we were sweeping it. We dug up so much shrapnel that we finally just said forget it.
No, it is not in Philly. It is Pittsburgh.
Doodletown NY (just below West Point along the Hudson River) was taken by the state via emminent domain in the mid-1960s. Bear Mountain State Park had been buying property lots there for decades, but couldn’t convince everyone to sell so they took the remaining properties. The original cemetery (there are still 2 others there) had disappeared by 1965 (it was from the late 18th century), and workers remembered using the stones to line ditches in the 1930s (it was like a CCC project).
Disgraceful; there are still small cemeteries throughout the parks there, some protected by a preacher that used to travel between the small settlements that had existed there.
Okay, thanks. Just curious. My father, b. 1911, was baptized at St. Boniface in Philadelphia.
There's more to it than that ~ the Indians had earlier ~ centuries earlier ~ laid out an outline of the Big Dipper ~ a small one toward Richmond Indiana, and a large one that extended from the council circle at Seymour up into Michigan North of the St. Joseph river.
That was the trail ~ no way to get lost with a map in the sky.
Along the way I've found that Quaker farmers owned all the land all along that trail. It actually runs through the Mammoth Cave park area. The Hughes family, who'd earlier settled mostly in SE Indiana and SW Ohio, expanded in the 1840s into Kentucky.
Best I can tell you could travel from Tennessee to Michigan and never leave a Hughes farm. Not all of them went by that name ~ there are, after all 11 other classic Welsh names ~ and there were marriages with Abolitionist Scots ~ so lots of Macs, Mcs, O's and whatevers in the crowd, but all cousins with roots back to Cardiganshire, Wales.
My longest lived Great Grandmother grew up on one of those farms near Mammoth ~ and later on inherited a chunk of the orchard lands where they buried slavecatchers ~ probably didn't even tell her about it though my Great Aunts seemed to know.
After the Civil War part of the properties were given over to a Freed Man's school to teach former slaves how to read, write, use math, lay bricks, cut stone, plough a field ~ that's been closed for a very long time but recently someone made note of its existence. May go there to see what's left.
Interesting family history on your side!
I don’t know what the answer is, but to lie in the muck of a river? Sorry for late reply. Happy New Year.