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NRA wrong about armed guards in schools
WND ^ | December 25, 2012 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 12/26/2012 4:32:36 AM PST by Perseverando

Exclusive: Joseph Farah doesn't want more guns in the hands of government

NRA leader Wayne LaPierre says that the key to prevention of future school massacres like the one in Newtown, Conn., is for the government to post armed guards in every school in America.

Let me disagree with my good friend and fellow Second Amendment supporter.

In fact, I believe that is exactly the wrong prescription.

America doesn’t need more police.

America doesn’t need a “civilian national security force,” as Barack Obama has suggested.

And America certainly doesn’t need more firearms in the hands of the government – local, state or federal.

What America needs to avert future Sandy Hook Elementary School disasters is the following:

Prayer back in schools.

The Ten Commandments back in schools. The Bible back in schools. Armed and trained teachers and administrators in schools – not armed police and security guards. More armed and trained private citizens throughout the country. More parents making the choice to educate their children at home or in private, preferably religious, non-government institutions as opposed to statist, secular humanist indoctrination centers. Most of all what America needs is a genuine return to God in which, at the very least, those who profess belief in Him follow the prescription of 2 Chronicles 7:14: “If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.”

We don’t want America to become a police state.

And, frankly, I’m a little surprised and disappointed that the NRA is suggesting something that sounds like a move in that direction.

Yes, we’ve got to get away from this idiotic notion of making schools

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; cnsf; guncontrol; gunfreezone; newtown; nra; publiceducation; publicschools; sandyhook; secondamendment
Keep Civilians Armed
1 posted on 12/26/2012 4:32:48 AM PST by Perseverando
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To: Perseverando

EXACTLY! We The People are to be armed - not only a select group.


2 posted on 12/26/2012 4:39:27 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Perseverando

Hmmm...

I wonder how many of those little kids and teachers in Newtown would have been saved by prayers and the 10 commandments?

There is one commandment which, for sure, would have cut down the number killed, and that is: “Thou shalt be armed with a gun to protect yourself and others!”


3 posted on 12/26/2012 4:53:34 AM PST by adorno (Y)
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To: Perseverando

Another example of why I joined the GOA in late 2007 and have only maintained headcount with the NRA ever since. If they make the wrong move in the next 3 months before my NRA membership comes due, I won’t even keep that anymore.


4 posted on 12/26/2012 5:04:53 AM PST by MachIV
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To: Perseverando

I agree. After thinking about it for a while, I wouldn’t want another govt. entity involved in schools security in the form of armed police or even a private security force. More tax $$$ going to waste and you just know there would still be an incident even with an armed guard in a school where something would break out on the other side of the school, just like in Columbine (where there was an armed guard). The solution of trained and armed staff at schools is the best deterrent. Never knowing who is armed is the best deterrent to any threats.


5 posted on 12/26/2012 5:20:05 AM PST by Blue Highway
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To: Blue Highway
Never knowing who is armed is the best deterrent to any threats.

Exactly. Removed the "Gun-Free Zone" signs, and then implement a "don't ask, don't tell" policy of concealed carry. We, the people, left to our own devices, can solve this problem quickly.

6 posted on 12/26/2012 5:24:53 AM PST by RightField (one of the obstreperous citizens insisting on incorrect thinking - C. Krauthamer)
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To: Perseverando

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/eliminate-armed-guards-president-vice-president-and-their-families-and-establish-gun-free-zones/6RDGkxLK


Petition For The Obama Administration To Establish Gun Free Zones for the President, Vice-President, and their families. Eliminate their armed guards.

Gun Free Zones are supposed to protect our children, and some politicians wish to strip us of our right to keep and bear arms. Those same politicians and their families are currently under the protection of armed Secret Service agents. If Gun Free Zones are sufficient protection for our children, then Gun Free Zones should be good enough for politicians.



7 posted on 12/26/2012 5:34:20 AM PST by preacher (Communism has only killed 100 million people: Let's give it another chance!)
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To: Perseverando

We have this delusion that such things can be stopped.

Let’s assume we have airtight security and armed guards, and no shooter gets into a school ever again.

What’s to stop a guy from shooting his way onto a school bus at a stop? 40+ kids trapped.

Did nobody else see The Matrix? How do you stop someone from shooting his way through a security point?

I think both right and left treat guns as some kind of magic wand.


8 posted on 12/26/2012 5:42:18 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: adorno

I agree with you. We don’t even know if the Lanzas were practicing any religion at all. Haven’t heard about. School children praying won’t stop a killer.

That said, we do need to get God back into society.


9 posted on 12/26/2012 5:42:23 AM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: presently no screen name

>> We The People are to be armed - not only a select group.

Well, let’s see - I’m retired. I’m a firearms instructor (both LE and civilian). Do you think I’d teach every school teacher and administrator for free? That I’d go to the local schools and sit there (armed) a couple afternoons a week? For no pay? In a New York minute.


10 posted on 12/26/2012 5:51:09 AM PST by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: Perseverando

Stupid and simplistic. The country is WAY past the point where restoring prayer in schools will solve any problem. Too late. The country is already halfway towards atheistic materialism. Reversing that trend will take a lot more than prayer in the schools.

Furthermore, prayer in the schools without prayer in the home will do absolutely no good.

Does anybody have any suggestions as to how to reverse the mad rush towards individualistic materialistic self-centered narcissism that this country is in?


11 posted on 12/26/2012 5:54:55 AM PST by I want the USA back
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To: Blue Highway

Why would I trust a teacher with a gun anymore than a security guard? Teachers molest students, many are incompetent and I would fear they would be careless with access to any weapons they might have.

Arming the school staff has its own problems.


12 posted on 12/26/2012 5:57:36 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Sherman Logan

You have a point. Although I support people being armed and have no problem with the 10 Commandments in schools, as noted libertarian Robert J. Ringer put it, “bad things happen.” It is much like terrorism, their side wins when one gets through, the only way our side winds is if we prevent bad things happening 100% of the time. The latter is unachievable, as fallible beings we are. La Pierre’s idea is generally a good one too, but I prefer idea with less government. Even in places where firearms are banned, people will resort to other means.


13 posted on 12/26/2012 6:00:43 AM PST by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: QBFimi
Do you think I’d teach every school teacher and administrator for free? That I’d go to the local schools and sit there (armed) a couple afternoons a week? For no pay? In a New York minute.

Because you are a PATRIOT! And thank you!

14 posted on 12/26/2012 6:14:37 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: preacher

Excellent idea. And I’d expand that edict to ban gun control advocates from having armed security at their homes or work places. It’s really easy to tell the peons to do without weapons while hiding behind an armed guard yourself.


15 posted on 12/26/2012 6:17:15 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: Perseverando

Maybe we should start praying that banks don’t get robbed and get rid of the armed guards and safes. Sweet and loving idea, talk about good intentions that would backfire and kill. Will we never learn? “Feel Good” tatics are not strategies, they are only hope...and we know the kind of change you get if hope is your strategy.


16 posted on 12/26/2012 6:18:04 AM PST by ThePatriotsFlag (...and to the Republic for which it STOOD...)
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To: Perseverando

Not a big WND or Farah fan here but even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes — Farah’s right on point about limiting government programs and eliminating the criminal empowerment zones. Another poster’s comment about Obama’s National Civilian Security Force makes me think the NRA’s proposal falls into that trap quite neatly.


17 posted on 12/26/2012 6:21:19 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Sherman Logan
Correct, one nut in China drove a car filled with gas and explosives into a bus stop but the “bomb” failed to detonate.

One way is just to make schools a hard target. Restrict entry into the actual parts of the schools that house classrooms. They can use a key card system that only allows entry to students and school officials.

A camera system can allow educators to at least scope out someone attempting entry. They can also use panic buttons that can lock down all doors and call the police.

There are all sorts of methods that does not include weapons.

18 posted on 12/26/2012 6:32:32 AM PST by USAF80
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To: Perseverando; All

Farah makes some good points

In our area we have armed School Resource Officers....and they tend to be more of a problem than a help. Even with the SRO in our schools in FL....we still have gang problems, drugs, and violence. And, many schools w SROs also have their own unarmed security details

Also, having a uniformed officer in a school just means that a potential shooter avoids where the armed officer is at...and the shooter can “pattern” the SROs locations on a daily basis

With armed regular citizens...a shooter cannot be sure who, or where, is armed.


19 posted on 12/26/2012 6:36:09 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (Fiscal Conservatives are Neither)
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To: Perseverando

I’m in favor of keeping civilians armed. I’m also in favor of armed security in schools.


20 posted on 12/26/2012 6:38:06 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: adorno

> I wonder how many of those little kids and teachers in Newtown would have been saved by prayers and the 10 commandments?

I think what the author is really trying to say is if we raise our children with a respect for law and order (10 Commandments) and a reverence for God who values life we might see less bloodshed down the road. As a former LEO and investigator I can definitely say that how the children are raised determines who they will become later in life. I’ve walked into non-christian homes where it was evident that the parents did not take care of their homes, were drug users, screamed at their children and didn’t encourage them and later saw those very same children become hardened criminals. Conversely I’ve watched children raised in good Christian homes that grew up o be polite, we-mannered, hardworking and contributing members to society. So does God make a difference in how children turn out? You betcha and big time...


21 posted on 12/26/2012 6:38:13 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Perseverando

Back in the 1980s, I knew a high school principal who was concerned that race based groups of students were starting to turn on each other. His response was to hire a really huge, partially-disabled combat veteran (two fake ears, hearing aids, and uglier than a mud fence after a hard rain.)

He was armed, which was sort of redundant. In any event, he solved any race problem very quickly; but then the principal discovered another problem that to that point had been invisible.

It was an open campus, and adults were sneaking on to the campus for various reasons, either illegal or menacing.

Within a few years, the security guy received several performance based raises, and last I heard had his own fire team of veterans keeping students safe. They had made several arrests of adults: drug dealers, burglars, and a couple of non-custodial parents trying to kidnap their children from their ex-spouses.


22 posted on 12/26/2012 6:41:35 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Pennies and Nickels will NO LONGER be Minted as of 1/1/13 - Tim Geithner, US Treasury Sect)
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To: Perseverando
Asa Hutchinson, who is going to be the NRA’s lead man on this problem, is actually recommending teachers and volunteers.

Not federal law enforcement or federally subsidized local cops.

23 posted on 12/26/2012 6:43:15 AM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: QBFimi

“...Do you think I’d teach every school teacher and administrator for free? That I’d go to the local schools and sit there (armed) a couple afternoons a week? For no pay? In a New York minute.”

Well said sir, and much more in line with how the Israeli fixed a similar, more pervasive problem in their schools. Am similarly inclined, differently credentialed, but “in a heartbeat” about sums it up.

Stay alert


24 posted on 12/26/2012 6:43:46 AM PST by petro45acp ( Merry Christmas !! Adeste Fidele!)
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To: preacher

Amen, Brother. Exactly right!


25 posted on 12/26/2012 7:18:35 AM PST by Texas Patriot61 (Gun control is being able to hit your target.)
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To: Perseverando

Occasionally, even WND says something I can agree with.

Of course, the “armed police” idea was a temporary solution as proposed by the NRA, until they could get their volunteer training program running.

The long-term solution was to provide training for school employees.

Of course, school employees are government workers, so that kind of goes against Farah’s argument that we don’t need more government guns. But maybe he’s assuming that if a government worker uses their own gun, it’s not really a government gun.

Since Farah does call for armed and trained teachers and administrators, he doesn’t really seem to be against government control of weapons in school. He simply seems to have a problem with police officers.

So in the end, maybe he wasn’t as sane here as it looks at first blush.


26 posted on 12/26/2012 7:41:28 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Blue Highway

Cops in schools was a Bill Clinton idea. Now it’s considered crazy by the left, but on the other hand, it was a Bill Clinton idea so maybe it isn’t the best idea around.


27 posted on 12/26/2012 7:45:06 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Sherman Logan

Laws are a balance between the freedom of the law-abiding, and the security of the law-abiding.

We could be virtually “perfectly safe”, at the cost of our freedom — until the oppression gave rise to a revolution.

Or we could be perfectly free, at the cost of our security, in the end we’d have little freedom because the most powerful among us would rule the day.

I use cars as an analogy. Driving a car is not considered a right by the Supreme Court. We are allowed to license, to restrict, to ban if we want. We can set any rules we want. 33,000 people are killed on the roads in this country.

More interestingly, if you look at a chart of car deaths by country, you’ll find that our ranking isn’t much different than our ranking on gun deaths compared to other developed countries.

We could largely stop car deaths. A combination of 45-mph maximum speed limits (enforced by speed limiters installed in cars if necessary), and installation of various safety features found in NASCAR, like full body harnesses, a re-work of the entire road system to provide few places for head-on collisions, etc.

The cost would be prohibitive for some things. Others the cost would be our freedom. For some reason, we have decided that our freedom to drive fast, and even faster than the speed limit, is more important than the lives of people, including children, killed in car accidents.

But government, as it assumes more “responsibility” for keeping us safe, also has assumed more power to control us, to keep us from CHOOSING to do things that might make us less safe. Like banning activities dangerous only to ourselves.

In my column this week, I argued that we have to at least consider that our schools are already “safe enough”. The schools are the safest place for children; they are much more likely to be harmed outside of school.

I am beginning to think the key is to simply remove any federal control over guns in schools. Let the states and localities decide for themselves. Then parents can decide through elections, and through their own actions, how much protection they want for their kids.

I would support trained school employees having guns. But I already feel my kids are quite safe from this particular threat in our schools.


28 posted on 12/26/2012 8:00:16 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Perseverando
Farah is wrong. What is needed is to keep any armed entity under local control, either the school board or town or county government. An excellent way to do this is VOLUNTEERS from the local community as reserve deputies at no pay, but with training provided by the local policing group. That, plus allowing CCW at school facilitie for any school employee who wishes to do so. The two groups "may" (and probably will) overlap.

Old American proverb: "Praise the Lord, and pass the ammunition."

29 posted on 12/26/2012 8:37:12 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Perseverando
Most of all what America needs is a genuine return to God in which, at the very least, those who profess belief in Him follow the prescription of 2 Chronicles 7:14: “If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.”

This is a common, but grossly incorrect, interpretation of this Scripture. The correct interpretation is that, under the Law -- under the Old Testament -- the Promise is to God's people the Jews, in their land Israel, and for that land, eretz Israel only, under a king appointed by The God. It does not apply to any other land, including The U. S. of A.

Under the New Covenant, the promises to Christians is for and about the Kingdom of The God, of which the Lord Jesus Christ proclaimed, "My Kingdom is not of this world (kosmos, the world system)" (Jn. 18:36).

Though the formulation of the documents of the founding of the United States followed Christian principles and polity, we have never been a "Christian nation." We have been a nation of laws under which the Christian religion may be freely practiced and dominant; but also under which atheism, agnosticism, and other religions may be tolerated, but not expected to prosper under correct application of the law as intended by the Founders.

If the land is sick, it is because we allowed it to get that way. Any healing must come from uniformly interpreting and applying the law as the Founders understood and demonstrated what they had imposed. The healing should start in the pulpits, then in the families, the schools, and finally in the streets, IMHO.

30 posted on 12/26/2012 2:04:15 PM PST by imardmd1 (An armed society is a polite society -- but dangerous for the fool --)
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