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You're in the Army Now ...or Should Be
American Thinker ^ | 12/26/2012 | Ebben Raves

Posted on 12/26/2012 6:15:37 AM PST by ebshumidors

Militia: a word which has been twisted into something that has an entirely different meaning from when our country was founded and now with its every utterance, spits on the graves of those who died in our nation's birthing. Thanks to the Clintonite media after the Oklahoma City slaughter, just the mention of it conjures up images of rednecks dressed in camouflage, running around the woods with plans to kill everyone isight. A fringe element with who knows what on their minds -- but you can bet it is evil. It is a group that has little in common with the farmers, shopkeepers, and mechanics of Lexington, Concord and Battle Road.

But what really is the militia? According to United States Code, Title 10 USC § 311 -- Militia: composition and classes:

(a)The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

(b)The classes of the militia are-

(1)the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

(2)the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/12/youre_in_the_army_now_or_should_be.html#ixzz2GAPqMl9L

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; army; banglist; militia
FWIW.
1 posted on 12/26/2012 6:15:42 AM PST by ebshumidors
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To: ebshumidors

except as provided in section 313 of title 32,

What does section 313 say?


2 posted on 12/26/2012 6:18:23 AM PST by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: csmusaret
Article 32 Section 313:

(a) To be eligible for original enlistment in the National Guard,
a person must be at least 17 years of age and under 45, or under 64
years of age and a former member of the Regular Army, Regular Navy,
Regular Air Force, or Regular Marine Corps. To be eligible for
reenlistment, a person must be under 64 years of age.
(b) To be eligible for appointment as an officer of the National
Guard, a person must -
(1) be a citizen of the United States; and
(2) be at least 18 years of age and under 64.

3 posted on 12/26/2012 6:24:24 AM PST by TADSLOS (I took extra credit at the School of Hard Knocks)
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To: ebshumidors
It was an unorganized militia that faced the British troops at Concord bridge in 1775 and more unorganized militia that fought these troops on their retreat to Boston. The British troops were marching on Lexington and Concord to seize weapons from the colonial militias. That should give some perspective on the origins of the Second Amendment.

One of the prime causes of the armed rebellion against British rule was excessive taxation. Perhaps those in Washington should take note of how history can repeat itself.

4 posted on 12/26/2012 6:29:35 AM PST by The Great RJ
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To: TADSLOS

Thank you but that along with this sentence:”(a)The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard”, make for some confusing language.


5 posted on 12/26/2012 6:35:49 AM PST by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: ebshumidors

Being 45, I’m a little disappointed at that upper cutoff age.

Would that preclude someone over 45 from joining a militia without prior service, or is that just the cutoff age for compulsary service?

Hypothetically, of course...


6 posted on 12/26/2012 6:47:49 AM PST by chrisser (Senseless legislation does nothing to solve senseless violence.)
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To: chrisser
We'll take you.

MODERNMILITIAMOVEMENT.COM

It's the cutoff age that legally defines the pool of men that can be called up by a governor. But don't take that as an obstacle because the people are the militia. Any citizen's militia group will take you. That are plenty that are over 45.

7 posted on 12/26/2012 7:00:18 AM PST by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: ebshumidors

Neighbors guarding neighbors. I have no problem with that.

I’m not thrilled with the idea of armed ruffians prowling the streets in pickup trucks, but a “well-regulated” (i.e. officers, oversight, training, etc.) militia sounds fine, even if it is an “unorganized” militia. (The feds are quick to “nationalize” state National Guard units, which I think is just a reserve branch of the Regular Army.)

Towns are losing (union) police officers due to prohibitive costs, so somebody will have to pick up the slack. I trust my neighbors to do the right thing.

As for being over the age limit, I’m sure “volunteers” could help out in other ways, such as logistics, cooking, admin, etc.


8 posted on 12/26/2012 7:05:01 AM PST by DNME (Without the Constitution, there is no legitimate U.S. government. No exceptions.)
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To: Salvavida

Thanks.

I wouldn’t want to miss the party.

In all seriousness, I’ve been giving a lot of thought to the future, especially in terms of being armed. By the looks of it, others have done the same.

But it also occured to me that I’m hardly in what anyone would call “fighting shape”.

I’ve started a modest exercise program to loose a few pounds and gain some strength and endurance.

Curious if anyone else has had similar thoughts? I’ve come to the conclusion that being fit, healthy and strong may be crucial in the coming years.


9 posted on 12/26/2012 7:10:04 AM PST by chrisser (Senseless legislation does nothing to solve senseless violence.)
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To: Salvavida

This may be worthwhile considering...these days.


10 posted on 12/26/2012 7:11:06 AM PST by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: The Great RJ

“It was an unorganised militia that faced the British...at Concord...”

Not at all. The militias of the New England colonies were highly organised, enroled by township and divided into active (the Minutemen) and reserve components. They held regular training, and were supported by the community. Fines were assessed for missing drill or not having the required arms, and weapons and ammunition were purchased with the money. It was these community owned munitions, muskets, cannons and cannon balls, and powder, that were stored at Concord, and which the British were marching to seize and destroy.


11 posted on 12/26/2012 7:11:45 AM PST by VietVet (I am old enough to know who I am and what I believe, and I 'm not inclined to apologize for any of)
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To: ebshumidors

This is how the controlled media works. They specifically target groups that they perceive as a threat to aristocratic domination, be it the Tea Party, gun owners, etc and are attempting through their propaganda to turn them into racist pariahs of society. In reality the media represents the racists that target average Americans.

Throughout the history of the world the aristocrats MO was to turn the masses into disarmed serfs.


12 posted on 12/26/2012 7:20:26 AM PST by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: ebshumidors
You're in the Army Now ...or Should Be

Just not the one that goes and fights in the real wars. That's for other people.

13 posted on 12/26/2012 7:22:30 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Salvavida

The federal law defines those who can be called up by the federal government. The various states have their own militia laws which set the limits for state service. In Maryland, the militia is (or was when I was an active member) all able bodied males between the ages of 16 and 60.

In addition, there is another organized component of the militia called the State Defense Forces (aka State Guards, State Military Reserves, aso). Not all states have State Defense Forces. They are not subject to federal call-up (unlike the National Guard), nor do they recieve federal funds (which is why they are neglected by most state AG’s).


14 posted on 12/26/2012 7:24:21 AM PST by VietVet (I am old enough to know who I am and what I believe, and I 'm not inclined to apologize for any of)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YazWnGcVlWA

The OKC bombing might have forever tainted many people on the word militia. Although it was actually sloppy, it was a very successful false flag operation. When you’ve got a dumbed down, easily manipulated, emotional audience, you can get away with murder.


15 posted on 12/26/2012 7:36:01 AM PST by Hayride
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To: chrisser

“Curious if anyone else has had similar thoughts? I’ve come to the conclusion that being fit, healthy and strong may be crucial in the coming years.”

Can’t hurt. Took me two heart attacks to finally pull my head out of my butt and get in shape. Not fit enough to take on a 20 year old commando, but I could give the average Joe Sixpack a noogie that would make him cry for his mama.


16 posted on 12/26/2012 7:38:53 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian (I hope we're ready to get a real candidate next time. C'mon GOP! <BCC><)
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To: The Great RJ

They were a lot of things, but unorganized they were not.

I assume you are referring to the engagement at the North Bridge. This included the Acton militia under the command of Captain Isaac Davis. His soldiers had all the equipment a soldier of the period was expected to have, including bayonets.

Yes, they elected leaders. Yes, they deliberated on tactics. This was, however, a very well organized group.


17 posted on 12/26/2012 7:39:09 AM PST by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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To: WKUHilltopper
WKU, is that western Kentucky?

I watched the militia in the 90’s, and I am convinced, they changed politics then and aided in keeping the socialist quiet.

and we are in far worse state today!!!

18 posted on 12/26/2012 7:50:03 AM PST by kimtom (USA ; Freedom was/is not Free)
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To: chrisser

Chrisser,

I don’t know what state you are in, but many states have something called a “state guard,” which is a part of state military forces, but not federal military forces.

I believe there are 18 states with a state guard. Most have age cutoffs at 60.

I live in Texas and the Texas State Guard, which has Army, Air, Naval and Marine components, are very active. They wear the uniforms of their respective branches with the state flag instead of the US flag. They have been deployed by the governor for state emergencies. They are not issued weapons, but may use there own to qualify, although qualifications aren’t required.

IMO, every state should have very active state guards. It has traditionally been the states’ responsibilities. Since the National Guard is heavily federalized, the states have been stripped of the powers orginally intended.

I am moving to Oklahoma, which has statutes for such a force, but where no such force exists. I find that unacceptable and will be sending letters to my state legislators and the governor’s office.


19 posted on 12/26/2012 7:54:54 AM PST by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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To: kimtom

“WKU, is that western Kentucky?”

Yes.

Beat Central Michigan today in the Little Caesars Bowl!


20 posted on 12/26/2012 7:57:22 AM PST by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: cizinec

I’m in OH.

Coincidentally, I was just on the OHMR site; http://ohmr.ohio.gov/

I had no idea such an organization existed. Looks very interesting although the info on the site is pretty vague. Anybody here a member?

I’d have to lose a few lbs to qualify.


21 posted on 12/26/2012 7:59:55 AM PST by chrisser (Senseless legislation does nothing to solve senseless violence.)
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To: DNME

“(The feds are quick to “nationalize” state National Guard units, which I think is just a reserve branch of the Regular Army.)”

You are correct and that is why the liberal argument that the 2nd Amendment only applies to the NG is false. This argument says the NG is the modern equivalent of the colonial militia. It’s part of that dynamic constitution thingy. Therefore, the 2nd amendment only guarantees the right of the states to form the NG and not an individual RKBA.

The reason this is false is that the FF wanted a militia independent of federal control. The second reason is that USSC ruled (Dukakis v SecDef) that the federal government exercises plenary powers over the NG, ie, the NG is just a branch of the reserves. Something cannot be independent from something that has plenary powers over it.


22 posted on 12/26/2012 8:00:27 AM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: ebshumidors; All
similar to today's headlines....voter fraud / militia / political sovereignty...
for your conversations / viewing:
Battle of Athens, Tn.
http://www.americanheritage.com/content/battle-athens

23 posted on 12/26/2012 8:16:47 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Who'll take tomorrow,spend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0Bama man can :-)
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To: chrisser; TADSLOS; ebshumidors

Question:

What about women who haven’t previously been in the military?

Is there any info applicable to that?

And what about women between 45 and 65?


24 posted on 12/26/2012 8:21:03 AM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: chrisser; TADSLOS; ebshumidors

Question:

What about women who haven’t previously been in the military?

Is there any info applicable to that?

And what about women between 45 and 65?


25 posted on 12/26/2012 8:21:59 AM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: The Great RJ
One of the prime causes of the armed rebellion against British rule was excessive taxation.
Perhaps those in Washington should take note of how history can repeat itself.
*wondering* ...Will the (voting) Citizenry hear the call?...
or keep watch the cr@p on ABCNNBCbs...liberal pablum

26 posted on 12/26/2012 8:23:51 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Who'll take tomorrow,spend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0Bama man can :-)
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To: Blue Collar Christian
“Curious if anyone else has had similar thoughts? I’ve come to the conclusion that being fit, healthy and strong may be crucial in the coming years.”

Can’t hurt. Took me two heart attacks to finally pull my head out of my butt and get in shape. Not fit enough to take on a 20 year old commando, but I could give the average Joe Sixpack a noogie that would make him cry for his mama.

I'm 51, started walking everywhere not long after 9-11 and now walk at least 20mi/wk, also reinvigorated my MA practice, which is just as well, since in the 90's I used my hands on a would-be robber and lost my gun privileges as a result. Robbery unsuccessful, he's innocent, put an innocent man in the ER, I'm guilty. So I guess that disqualifies me from the regular militia (but I'd get good grades at sentry removal).

My regular proverb is if exercise is a part of your life anyway, practice an exercise that just might save your behind someday.

BTW last I heard my "victim" went to a state pen with his brother for holding up a package store. Ain't the justice system grand.

27 posted on 12/26/2012 8:26:42 AM PST by fattigermaster
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To: ebshumidors

28 posted on 12/26/2012 9:03:12 AM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: ebshumidors

Yep. You see those signs about carrying an ax, bucket and shovel in the woods? You think that’s just so you have them to give to somebody else?We had a bad forest fire years back and one of my buddies was driving in the woods. He was mobilized to fight the fire. There’s too many people making money fighting fires these days, but if it gets bad enough, the government can grab you and make you work.


29 posted on 12/26/2012 9:04:19 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: The Great RJ

More recently, it was the unorganized militia that thwarted the Al-Qaeda hijackers of Flight 93 over Shankstown, PA on 9/11/2001.


30 posted on 12/26/2012 9:05:54 AM PST by Skepolitic
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To: WildHighlander57
What about women who haven’t previously been in the military?

If you're interested in a state defense force, and your state has one, I don't believe there are any gender restrictions.

Most SDFs appear to be primarily non-combat focused.

The images posted of the Ohio Military Reserve show many women serving. In Ohio, the age cutoff at the top appears to be 60, but other states may vary.

I would think that SDFs would be an excellent opportunity for women to serve their state.
31 posted on 12/26/2012 10:38:59 AM PST by chrisser (Senseless legislation does nothing to solve senseless violence.)
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To: Hayride
The OKC bombing might have forever tainted many people on the word militia.

It shouldn't have, no militia or anyone who had ever been in a militia, was involved in that. It had nothing to do with militias.

32 posted on 12/26/2012 10:53:42 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney--guns not for recreation or self-defense"sole purpose of hunting down and killing people".)
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To: cizinec

I remember this guy, he was an exciting State Guard commander in Texas, until they booted him.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=X1ZOAAAAIBAJ&sjid=pRMEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5874,7273277&dq=texas+state+guard&hl=en

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=DM&p_theme=dm&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0ED6178B45395D77&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM


33 posted on 12/26/2012 10:58:55 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney--guns not for recreation or self-defense"sole purpose of hunting down and killing people".)
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To: chrisser

Many thanks chrisser, I will check it out then.


34 posted on 12/26/2012 12:22:16 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: fattigermaster

“BTW last I heard my “victim” went to a state pen with his brother for holding up a package store. Ain’t the justice system grand.”

It can be brutally wrong sometimes, but it’s better than most. Glad the punk is segregated from the rest of us now.

Seems you’re making the best of it FRiend.


35 posted on 12/26/2012 6:48:24 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (I hope we're ready to get a real candidate next time. C'mon GOP! <BCC><)
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To: ebshumidors

Guys like this don’t help:

http://atlanta.backpage.com/JobWanted/willing-do-anything/15312048


36 posted on 12/31/2012 12:37:02 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: ebshumidors

That’s a great post right there.
Thanks for posting.


37 posted on 12/31/2012 12:51:43 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: chrisser

You’ve got a point. Since the late 1700s medical science has significantly increased both general health and the average life span ...


38 posted on 03/22/2013 11:44:24 AM PDT by ArmyTeach ( Videteco eos prius (See 'em first) Sculpin 191)
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