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Russian parliament approves ban on American adoptions
Toronto Sun ^ | Dec 26/12 | REUTERS

Posted on 12/26/2012 9:18:02 AM PST by Dartman

MOSCOW - Russia’s upper house of parliament approved a bill on Wednesday that would prohibit Americans from adopting Russian children and impose other measures in retaliation for a U.S. law designed to punish Russians accused of human rights violations.

The bill, which President Vladimir Putin has hinted he will sign, would also outlaw some U.S.-funded non-governmental organisations and impose visa bans and asset freezes on Americans accused of violating the rights of Russians abroad.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: russianadoption
When I first saw the headline, I thought it had something to do with freedom over there vs. freedom under Obama.
1 posted on 12/26/2012 9:18:10 AM PST by Dartman
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To: Dartman

Personally, I am glad to see this. I know someone who adopted two Russian children. He received a tremendous tax credit of over $15,000 for each! That’s a pure tax credit and it covered the entire cost plus some!


2 posted on 12/26/2012 9:22:22 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Dartman

Waitaminnit. I thought Putin and Obama were bestest buddies. Is this some Democrat-passed feelgood law?


3 posted on 12/26/2012 9:22:49 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Dartman

I’m sorry for the children who will be harmed and the prospective parents who will be disappointed due to this pissing match between two administrations, neither of which really gives a flying freep about their citizens.


4 posted on 12/26/2012 9:24:05 AM PST by Tax-chick (Peace to people of good will.)
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To: Tax-chick

I’d like to know more about the US law that is provoking the cat fight. It doesn’t sound like something that Republicans would have wanted to get mixed up in, but it would be right down Democrat alley.


5 posted on 12/26/2012 9:30:37 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Gaffer

Russian orphans are abused, neglected, and severely marginalized in Russia. The ones that make it here, like my nieces, are given a chance. But I guess that’s not your problem, just as long as people aren’t getting tax breaks you don’t think they deserve.


6 posted on 12/26/2012 9:32:51 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Dartman

As a cynical man, I wonder if some same-sex couples were adopting Russian children. If so, I agree with this ban completely. We don’t need to have innocent children corrupted by sodomites.


7 posted on 12/26/2012 9:33:26 AM PST by ABQHispConservative (Only fake Christians vote or are Democrats.)
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To: Gaffer

Is the tax credit your sole objection?

I had a lengthy conversation a few months ago with a woman who flies over there annually and spends time with orphans; the conditions are not very good for them. Offhand, I can’t think of the name of the organization that sponsors her trips, but it’s probably about to be blacklisted.

I met the woman because she’s a volunteer paramedic. She speaks Russian, and I believe she had started the process of adopting a child. I’m sure she’s not out to game the system and make off with taxpayer dollars. She is, of course, just one person that I happen to have met and does not represent the entire population.


8 posted on 12/26/2012 9:33:39 AM PST by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: Gaffer

Wow. When my husband and I were looking at this the tax credits (of the money that belonged to us originally!) were not nearly enough to cover all of the expenses. The base expense for Russian adoption was $25,000 and the tax credit (to get back what the government has taken from me!) was $10,000. That was six years ago. Luckily I got pregnant so we didn’t go through with it.


9 posted on 12/26/2012 9:35:39 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Tax-chick

Yep. In the middle of this process are couples who thought they were getting a child and kids who though they were getting parents. Those kids now have no hope of adoption considering that Russians don’t do that.

0 proves once again that he will go to great lengths to punish Americans in ways we never thought possible.


10 posted on 12/26/2012 9:36:04 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: FoxInSocks

Yes, that’s it. I don’t feel I should subsidize someone’s need to parent. If the need is that dire, there are children in this country that could be adopted. While it is regretable that the Russian children orphans are not treated well, there are millions of children all over the world that are in a similar situation; the US cannot be the world savior, nor should it be - especially at the expense of the US Taxpayer.


11 posted on 12/26/2012 9:38:54 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Dartman
This is Putin's notice that he will begin enforcing Russian law on Americans anywhere in the world he so chooses.

This is important as other nations will follow suit under protection of Russia.

The US is currently operating in violation of International and Human Rights law in Syria, and did so in Libya. Individual Americans, including military can be held to account by the ICC, and Russia can eventually force these kinds of prosecutions.

The days when the US used the ICC to railroad Eastern Europeans who stood against Muslim terrorist organized crime are over, and Putin intends to return the favor as he did with Georgia.

This establishes that Americans are no longer the default good guys in international law situations, in fact, just the opposite.

12 posted on 12/26/2012 9:39:20 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: demshateGod

See post 12


13 posted on 12/26/2012 9:40:18 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: goodwithagun

I am glad things worked out for you. I am not against someone adopting any child anywhere. However, it is still something that I think the US taxpayer should subsidize, especially for a child not in this country. All this does is relieve the host country of the responsibility for the child.


14 posted on 12/26/2012 9:42:26 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: ABQHispConservative

I’m hesitant to call you shortsighted and uninformed, but that issue has nothing to do with the ban, nor would it be a good reason to ban the adoptions. Right here in my state, there are many good Christian families who have adopted Russian children who would languished in Russian orphanages, gone out into society, and become a ugly statistic. There are many more who will now not have an opportunity. I would even wager that a Russian orphan adopted by homos is better off than one who’s left there.


15 posted on 12/26/2012 9:42:57 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Dartman

When I first saw the headline, I thought it had something to do with gay parents and adoption.

Freegards


16 posted on 12/26/2012 9:43:23 AM PST by Ransomed
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To: Gaffer
...the entire cost of the adoption. Minus about $30,000+ a year he will likely be spending in special education needs, councilling, and soon also in legal defense.

The Russians are known to prevericate extensively when asked about the health of those seemingly normal children.

17 posted on 12/26/2012 9:46:33 AM PST by gnarledmaw (Obama: Evincing a Design since 2009)
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To: FoxInSocks

My sister started this process a few years ago not knowing where the money would come from, but trusting by faith God wanted her to do it. A kind benefactor provided them with the money. The tax credits isn’t enough incentive for anyone to go through what they’ve gone through. I think we have too many Russophiles on FR who think Putty can do no wrong.


18 posted on 12/26/2012 9:47:07 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: goodwithagun

Curiously, the man I’m speaking of actually had a natural birth with his wife after the second adoption. He didn’t pay $25,000 for sure. He told me it was actually a net plus for him, tax-wise.


19 posted on 12/26/2012 9:48:09 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: goodwithagun

You would have ended up spending much more. And you would have to legally bribe the judge with expensive American liquor.


20 posted on 12/26/2012 9:48:50 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; demshateGod
I’d like to know more about the US law that is provoking the cat fight.

That was the first thing I went looking for. It seems as if the law involves intervening in internal Russian quarrels and corruption by imposing penalties on certain Russians if they want to or do come to the U.S. I'm sure there is plenty worthy of opprobrium in what passes for human rights in Russia ... but from the Obama administration, the whole thing is rather inconsistent.

21 posted on 12/26/2012 9:51:05 AM PST by Tax-chick (Peace to people of good will.)
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To: Gaffer

I receive tax credits for each of my 3 kids. Should I lose those too? Anyway, tax credits given by our government is really a separate debate. It’s petty to approve of Russia’s decision just because you have an aversion to the tax credits. There are real lives involved. And for someone to want to visit the fatherless in their affliction is not the same as wanting to be the savior of the world. It’s just Christian.


22 posted on 12/26/2012 9:56:44 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Gaffer
I know someone who adopted two Russian children. He received a tremendous tax credit of over $15,000 for each! That’s a pure tax credit and it covered the entire cost plus some!

I haven't filed yet for 2012 but the maximum tax credit is $13,170 per child, I adopted two. Note, that is the max, I may only take credit for adoption expenses. I did not spend that much, so do not get the max. "Special needs children" are excepted. The whole thing is being phased out after 2012.

23 posted on 12/26/2012 9:58:34 AM PST by Graybeard58 ("Civil rights” leader and MSNB-Hee Haw host Al Sharpton - Larry Elder)
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To: Gaffer

Post 12 is garbage. Putin is a bad guy. Nothing good will come out of Gog.


24 posted on 12/26/2012 9:59:57 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Tax-chick

This whole thing started when an adoptive couple put a young boy on a plane alone and sent him back to Russia, after deciding they didn’t want him.


25 posted on 12/26/2012 10:01:08 AM PST by Graybeard58 ("Civil rights” leader and MSNB-Hee Haw host Al Sharpton - Larry Elder)
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To: demshateGod

Sorry, I meant 11....


26 posted on 12/26/2012 10:01:33 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Graybeard58

I remember that incident, although I remember the adoptive parent’s being a single mother. Maybe there was more than one, similar event.

And Merry Christmas! I don’t think we’ve “crossed paths” in the last few days. We were in contemplation of sale-shopping, but Kathleen has fallen asleep.


27 posted on 12/26/2012 10:04:45 AM PST by Tax-chick (Peace to people of good will.)
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To: demshateGod

First, were your children foreign? If so, why should the taxpayer subsidize your adoptions? I could see it for US children because it actually relieves the public burden.

Don’t tell me about ‘real lives’. Because you need to feel good doesn’t mean that other people have to pay for it. It may be your idea of Christian, but it is not license to take from others to do it.


28 posted on 12/26/2012 10:06:23 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Graybeard58

That happened while my sister was in Moscow trying to get the kids. Caused some problems. Being put on an air plain isn’t all that bad when considering what the average Russian orphan goes through. They really are through aways. This ban has nothing to do with the welfare of their orphans.


29 posted on 12/26/2012 10:07:11 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Graybeard58

I only know what my friend told me. The egregious part of it is that he made enough money to have done it out of his own pocket.


30 posted on 12/26/2012 10:07:56 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

Like I said, the debate of subsidizing and the debate of banning the adoptions are not the same.


31 posted on 12/26/2012 10:12:01 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

From what I understand Obama was pointing fingers saying that the Russian systems was corrupt, and Putin said - so is the American system, so get out of our business and zip it, and they are both right.

In many cases the Russian adoption is nothing more than human trafficking, and both countries are doing it.


32 posted on 12/26/2012 10:13:56 AM PST by Truth2012
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To: demshateGod

As much as you’d have not wanted them to be, there are connected, at least up until as I’ve heard here, this year.

Russia is a sovereign country, or so the UN recognizes. They can do as they wish. We have enough problems here.


33 posted on 12/26/2012 10:15:09 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer
The egregious part of it is that he made enough money to have done it out of his own pocket.

So do I but I will avoid all taxes that I legally can, don't you?

Like I said, I can only take credit for what was actually spent and for two American children, contested adoption, it cost around $8,000 total and believe me, I didn't do it for any tax credit.

We had these two children in our care for 4 years before adopting and received no money from state or fed government nor did we want any. One set of braces alone was over $6,000 and I paid for two, that's out of my pocket and not an "adoption expense".

There is no profit to be had in adoption, When we started the adoption procedure, we didn't even know about a tax credit.

34 posted on 12/26/2012 10:18:41 AM PST by Graybeard58 ("Civil rights” leader and MSNB-Hee Haw host Al Sharpton - Larry Elder)
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To: Graybeard58

Respectfully and with admiration in initial motives, I am still fully against tax credits for adoption of foreign children. It is just a means for corruption in the host countries to bilk children-wanting Americans of their money, and a drain (or at least, was) on the American taxpayer who subsidized it through tax credits.

Like I said, I have nothing against tax credit for adoption of US children - never did because it relieves the taxpayer of public burden and allows the adoptive parent to meet their need.


35 posted on 12/26/2012 10:27:05 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Dartman

Kids are probably better off staying there. After all the old USA is embracing communism, Marxism and socialism while at least most Russkies are trying to shed their old commie cloak.


36 posted on 12/26/2012 10:42:06 AM PST by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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To: Graybeard58
This whole thing started when an adoptive couple put a young boy on a plane alone and sent him back to Russia, after deciding they didn’t want him.

This comment has nothing to do with the argument going on here, but didn't the little monster try to burn down the family house?

I'd do the same thing...except I would have never got involved in an adoption in the first place.

37 posted on 12/26/2012 10:46:49 AM PST by OldPossum
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To: Gaffer

The tax credit applies to both domestic and international adoption. Sure, it is subsidizing someone’s choice to be a parent - just like group insurance underwriting the costs attendant to childbirth.


38 posted on 12/26/2012 11:45:06 AM PST by writmeister
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To: Gaffer

The tax credit applies to both domestic and international adoption. Sure, it is subsidizing someone’s choice to be a parent - just like group insurance underwriting the costs attendant to childbirth.


39 posted on 12/26/2012 11:45:25 AM PST by writmeister
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To: writmeister

You have a choice, or once did, to be part of ‘ group insurance’.


40 posted on 12/26/2012 12:04:59 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: Dartman; a fool in paradise; Slings and Arrows
What about Russian Brides? Are safe there?


41 posted on 12/26/2012 12:09:15 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Revolting cat!; Slings and Arrows
What about Russian Brides? Are safe there?

Send money. Maybe you get bride. If not, cheaper than Russian divorce.

42 posted on 12/26/2012 12:12:00 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Gaffer
Actually, as a conservative, I don't see how letting people keep some of their own money should be called a "subsidy." This is their money, not your money, not my money, not "taxpayers' money."

Unless you think ALL money ultimately belongs to the government. In that case, all the money you have and spend, amounts to "us" "subsidizing" your lifestyle, because we "let" you keep it and spend it.

?

Note: that's not what I believe.

43 posted on 12/26/2012 12:42:59 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (May the Lord bless you, may the Lord keep you, May He turn to you His countenance and give you peace)
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To: Gaffer

“Because you need to feel good doesn’t mean that other people have to pay for it. It may be your idea of Christian, but it is not license to take from others to do it.”

Well said!


44 posted on 12/26/2012 1:53:39 PM PST by RBK
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Then, as a conservative please explain why you as an adoptive parent of a foreign child get to “keep your money” and natural parents of American children do not (the same large credit). A lesser share of a bill to be paid.


45 posted on 12/26/2012 3:34:09 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer
"...(E)xplain why you as an adoptive parent of a foreign child get to “keep your money” and natural parents of American children do not (the same large credit). "

I'm not justifying that. Tax credits for all, say I.

46 posted on 12/26/2012 3:53:49 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers?" - St. Augustine of Hippo)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; Gaffer
Tax credits for all, say I.

Even better, lower tax rates and a much smaller government for everyone. We could save a lot of tax money if the government stopped defending the universal abortion license, and instead let states pass laws favored by each state's residents.

One outcome would be more American babies available for adoption, especially if some of the currently-expended amounts were directed at married adoptive parents, rather than never-married mothers.

47 posted on 12/26/2012 4:14:36 PM PST by Tax-chick (Peace to people of good will.)
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To: Tax-chick; Gaffer

Amen to that, Tax-chick.


48 posted on 12/26/2012 4:57:54 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (May the Lord bless you, may the Lord keep you, May He turn to you His countenance and give you peace)
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To: Tax-chick
I remember that incident, although I remember the adoptive parent’s being a single mother.

That's the one I was talking about..

49 posted on 12/26/2012 6:51:56 PM PST by Graybeard58 ("Civil rights” leader and MSNB-Hee Haw host Al Sharpton - Larry Elder)
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