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NBC News and David Gregory: A legal problem or a journalism problem?
Washington Post ^ | 12/26/12 | Erik Wemple

Posted on 12/26/2012 10:33:08 AM PST by jimbo123

NBC News has a problem. The question is whether it is a legal one or a journalistic one.

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The legal problem here is nearly self-confessed. D.C. code plainly prohibits magazines with capacities exceeding 10 rounds of ammunition. Of this regulation, “Meet the Press” cannot possibly claim ignorance or oversight.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abovethelaw; banglist; davidgregory; guncontrol; nbc; secondamendment
I would say it's a hypocrisy problem.
1 posted on 12/26/2012 10:33:16 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

No matter which or what, he will never be charged with anything, as he is one of the elites, above-the-laws, and works for NBC.

He can always claim 1st amendment rights as a member of the press.........................


2 posted on 12/26/2012 10:38:25 AM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: jimbo123

It’s all three. Ape-face Gregory could use 6 months in the DC jail to ponder his thoughts about gun control.


3 posted on 12/26/2012 10:38:33 AM PST by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus

....and/or his producer.................


4 posted on 12/26/2012 10:39:29 AM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: jimbo123
Its not a journalism problem because journalism has morphed into entertainment formed around sensationalism used to push political propaganda.

Quentin Tarantino type fantasy can become plausible when CBS or CNN runs it at 6:00PM. A marketing scam like Barack Obama can start to seem real and his message of nothing becomes tangible when enough editorial license is taken by the "journalists".

5 posted on 12/26/2012 10:39:38 AM PST by Baynative
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To: Red Badger

If David Gregory was black, he would have been arrested by the DC police days ago.


6 posted on 12/26/2012 10:41:54 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

Legally, isn’t this no different than the idiot bringing a Gram of Cocaine onto the show?

Actually, this is probably worse for Gregory, because at least with the Cocaine, he could claim that it was something else. In this case, there isn’t much left to doubt.

He was clearly holding a 30 round AR15/M4 GI Mag. (I have lots of them) I wonder where he got it, and what he did with it after the taping for the show was done.


7 posted on 12/26/2012 10:42:02 AM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: jimbo123

David Gregory broke the law and should be held accountable. Otheriwse he’s just making the point that we’re not enforcing existing laws so it’s pointless to pass any new ones.


8 posted on 12/26/2012 10:50:08 AM PST by MeganC (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: jimbo123

Please put me on his jury! It’s ass-banging jail for him if I have anything to say about it.


9 posted on 12/26/2012 10:50:28 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: jimbo123

(Yawn)

For the record, I am totally pro 2A, but an empty mag used as a prop is hardly worthy of discussion. I’d feel the same if the mag was loaded, as long as the firearm wasn’t in the room. DC’s gun laws may be silly, but getting upset over this is even worse. Yes I hate all the gun-grabbers crawling out of the woodwork, but this story is a joke.

Trying to make something out of nothing is a libtard tactic, and one’s reduces credibility.


10 posted on 12/26/2012 10:58:16 AM PST by Mich Patriot (PITCH BLACK is the new "transparent")
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To: Baynative

Back when I worked in the media, One of our editors had a delusion that his career was just like the movies where hard news is all a paper does and truth is supreme. For a few years I pointed out article after article to him on our AP feed that was pure opinion fronting itself as journalism.

Every time he had an excuse as to how the AP was the guiding light of integrity and would never interject opinion as fact. Any reporter to do so would be quickly disassociated from that paragon of ethical reportage.

The day the AP circulated a memo that henceforth ‘OPINION’ was to be a normal part of their reporting and acceptably ethical, I thought the man would have a stroke.

And the “I told ya’ so’s’ did not stop for months ;)

Ethrical journalism is open to the whims of the ‘ethical journalist’.


11 posted on 12/26/2012 10:59:55 AM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: jimbo123
If that had been you or me with a mag on the street corner would the cops take this long to decide to arrest us?

Double standard.

12 posted on 12/26/2012 10:59:56 AM PST by FReepaholic (Stupidity is not a crime, so you're free to go.)
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To: Mich Patriot

I’m sure David Gregory and his fellow liberals at NBC appreciate your show of support.


13 posted on 12/26/2012 11:01:07 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123
I would say it's a hypocrisy problem.

Ding ding ding! That's a winner!

That and they perceive themselves as above the law, above the rest of us. They "know best" what's needed for the "little people" (that would be us in their eyes). But they don't think they need to be held to the same standard.

Its a law - agree with it or not - it is the law. If he held up a bag of heroin or an iPad playing child porn, would there even be any discussion over charging him or not?

14 posted on 12/26/2012 11:03:31 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: jimbo123

It’s really quite simple: “reporters” consider themselves, like Dem politicians, to be above the laws that govern the rest of us.


15 posted on 12/26/2012 11:04:54 AM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: FReepaholic

Imagine what would happen to someone who was black and had that mag in his possession on a DC street. He would have been arrested immediately and his home would have been searched by now.


16 posted on 12/26/2012 11:04:54 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: ThunderSleeps

The mindset you describe is exactly the way it is. And you best believe the small town reporter has it too. The MSM has no monopoly on it. It is part and parcel of the modern journalism mindset and it is pretty much taught in J school.


17 posted on 12/26/2012 11:07:04 AM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Mich Patriot
Trying to make something out of nothing is a libtard tactic, and one’s reduces credibility.

So, you don't believe in holding Democrats to their own standards? Interesting....

18 posted on 12/26/2012 11:07:51 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Mich Patriot

It’s not nothing. These guys obviously know the law in DC, and on national TV, they deliberately violated it, on purpose, because of who they are, they believed they could get away with it.

They are liberal elites and they don’t believe the gun laws that the rest of us would be jailed for violating, apply to them.

THAT is why people are calling on this putz to be prosecuted.

When libtards do stuff like this they believe they are untouchable and don’t have to live under the same laws THEY ACTIVELY FORCE on the rest of us.

That is reason enough to demand prosecution of the liberals who knowingly violate laws you or I would have no mercy from being spared prosecution on.

If Wayne LaPierre appeared on this show, and used an empty 30 round AR-15 mag as a personal prop, there would be no question he would be charged. But Wayne would never do anything that stupid, for one, and while not agreeing with the DC law, would not deliberately violate it just to have something to have in his hands during an interview. If a visual was needed he could bring his own graphic or a file photo of a magazine could be displayed.


19 posted on 12/26/2012 11:11:14 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: KoRn

You can bet that mag has already left D.C.


20 posted on 12/26/2012 11:11:34 AM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: umgud
You can bet that mag has already left D.C.

And is on its way to Obama's Muslim Brotherhood allies in Syria...
21 posted on 12/26/2012 11:17:05 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: Secret Agent Man

I don’t like these guys any more than you do, but prosecuting anyone over this steps way beyond the intent of the law.

To each his own, but I don’t subscribe to the ‘na na na na na na, they do it too’ game. I don’t change what I think is right or wrong just because of the players. The spirit of the DC law as not to arrest people carrying empty mags.

I share your contempt for the leftards, I just don’t agree with blind application of the law because we hate someone.


22 posted on 12/26/2012 11:19:14 AM PST by Mich Patriot (PITCH BLACK is the new "transparent")
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To: jimbo123

Nothing will happen.


23 posted on 12/26/2012 11:20:25 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Mich Patriot
The spirit of the DC law as not to arrest people carrying empty mags.

The spirit of the DC law is to find out whether the person possessing the 30 round magazine also has a rifle and/or ammunition that is also illegal according to DC gun control laws. And whether that person is potentially trafficking in the same.
24 posted on 12/26/2012 11:25:12 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: Mich Patriot
“The spirit of the DC law as not to arrest people carrying empty mags.”

Sorry Skippy, the DC law is very clear that just having the mag, even without a rifle, is illegal. The liberal puke has to serve some hard time for his crimes.

25 posted on 12/26/2012 11:29:50 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: jimbo123
This happened in Canada, but remember the story about the dad who was arrested and strip searched by the police for possession of a firearm because his 4 year old daughter drew a picture of her father using a gun to kill "monsters and bad guys". The father had no gun. He did own a nerf gun. Neither the school nor the police apologized for their jackboot tactics.
26 posted on 12/26/2012 11:29:56 AM PST by Flick Lives (We're going to be just like the old Soviet Union, but with free cell phones!)
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To: Mich Patriot
but an empty mag used as a prop is hardly worthy of discussion. The NRA's biggest complaint is that the government doesn't enforce the gun laws on the books. Perhaps if these liberals got a taste of their own stupid laws, they would focus on effective laws rather than the crap they are pushing now. He should be charged and convicted.
27 posted on 12/26/2012 11:30:18 AM PST by aimhigh ( Guns do not kill people. Planned Parenthood kills people.)
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To: Mich Patriot

Again, they did it to show they believe they are above the law. They could have used a picture on a board or from a file photo but they instead chose to do this because they believed they could break the law and because they are elites, not suffer the same fate as any other average person.

When they break the law in your face and they do it on purpose, I don’t want them to get away with it. Because any of us who went on that show would not be able to.

Either we all live under the same stupid laws or we don’t. These are the people who voted for this law, they don’t get to break it just because they’re anti-2nd Amendment. that’s the same logic that only blacks can use certain english words because they’re black.


28 posted on 12/26/2012 11:30:41 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Mich Patriot

...I don’t like these guys any more than you do, but prosecuting anyone over this steps way beyond the intent of the law......

what is the intent of the law? What was his intent on showing the magazine on TV did he show where he got it from, how much it cost, who else handled it? how hard or easy it was to get? What happens since he is caught will they show him being arrested, searched, his house searched, the studios searched, his dog getting shot by police, booked into jail, his booking photo, his court appearance etc his jail roommate...as Paul Harvey would say and now the rest of the story....


29 posted on 12/26/2012 11:31:17 AM PST by rolling_stone
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To: Mich Patriot

Unlike you, I believe that if Gregory broke the law, then he should be prosecuted. I believe he knew what he was doing and didn’t care. He believes he is above the rest of us. This should be made a big deal off, because he would be making a big deal of it if the shoe was on the other foot.

We have to stop letting them get away with it.


30 posted on 12/26/2012 11:31:30 AM PST by beandog (All Aboard the Choo Choo Train to Crazy Town)
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To: rolling_stone

It should also get him a record of ‘gun related crime’.

That should keep him off planes and have his press pass pulled.


31 posted on 12/26/2012 11:37:14 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Mich Patriot
I share your contempt for the leftards, I just don’t agree with blind application of the law because we hate someone.

I don't know about you, but I'm tired of these sanctimonious MSM twits preaching how others should live and what laws are good for them, but not having to follow the laws themselves. I relish the prospect of taking a draconian law and using it to bludgeon one of these elites. It leaves the MSM now in the untenable position of justifying why it wants to break laws to which it expects you and I to be held.

32 posted on 12/26/2012 11:37:58 AM PST by Flick Lives (We're going to be just like the old Soviet Union, but with free cell phones!)
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To: Mich Patriot

Further we now KNOW without doubt they did do this deliberately and with intent to shove it in our faces.

NBC was told by the Washington, D.C., police that it was “not permissible” to show a high-capacity gun magazine on air before Sunday’s “Meet the Press,” according to a statement Wednesday from the cops.

THEY DID IT ANYWAY. The rules do not apply to the fourth branch of government, the liberal elite of the MSM.

Would you like to modify your view on this particular incident, now knowing this information is not just speculation but confirmed fact?


33 posted on 12/26/2012 11:38:27 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: jimbo123

Gregory is lucky to be alive after letting such a dangerous contraband weapon touch his skin! Seems like a few years in prison will be necessary to make him realize the severity of his actions.


34 posted on 12/26/2012 11:39:19 AM PST by zagger
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To: Beagle8U

There’s also CONSPIRACY to violate the DC statute that prohibits possession of the 30 round magazine. He was told explicitly by the DC police that the magazine was illegal and yet he and/or his staff procured the magazine and took possession of it anyway.


35 posted on 12/26/2012 11:41:21 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: Beagle8U

It should also get him a record of ‘gun related crime’.

That should keep him off planes and have his press pass pulled.

an assault magazine-deadly as can be!
absolutely, actions have consequeces and stupidity is no excuse neither is elitism...they asked for and were denied permission and ignored the law and went ahead...clearly prior intent to break the law and knowledge of the law has been shown.


36 posted on 12/26/2012 11:48:00 AM PST by rolling_stone
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To: Mich Patriot

What would happen if someone took the (empty) 30 round magazine to a local DC school to be used as a prop for a ‘show and tell’? What would the ‘spirit of the law’ be?


37 posted on 12/26/2012 12:02:44 PM PST by PDGearhead (Obama's lack of citizenship)
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To: jimbo123

Yup, Let’s hope DC has the death penalty.


38 posted on 12/26/2012 12:04:21 PM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Mich Patriot
Mich Patriot said: "Trying to make something out of nothing is a libtard tactic, and one’s reduces credibility."

Here in the People's Republik of Kalifornia I am subject to about seventy pages of guns laws, most of them just as stupid and unConstitutional as the law apparently broken by Gregory.

What do you think would happen to me if I imported such a magazine into Kalifornia? Would I just be told that it was no big deal and to go on my way?

Kalifornia maintains a list of handguns that are legal to buy new. In one case, I believe, simply changing the color of the firearm, because that is a different model number, renders the handgun illegal to buy.

I own a semi-automatic rifle which is legal to own simply because of the name on the receiver. If the name was "Bushmaster", my gun would be illegal to own.

The penalties for violating these laws are not typically like getting a traffic ticket. Many are felonies and carry heavy fines and prison time along with lifetime loss of Second Amendment rights.

I would be delighted to see Gregory and NBC charged, see them make an emergency appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court, and have the court summarily declare the D.C. ban unConstitutional under the Second Amendment. That would solve all our problems, wouldn't it? If such a thing happened, I would send a Thank You card to Gregory.

But if Gregory isn't charged, then he has no standing to challenge this tyrannical law and there is no way that the Supreme Court would take up the matter.

39 posted on 12/26/2012 12:31:06 PM PST by William Tell
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To: jimbo123
Orders will come down from the communists empire of King Obama to back off. Nothing will happen to Gregory or NBC.
40 posted on 12/26/2012 1:22:31 PM PST by Logical me
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To: Mich Patriot
DC’s gun laws may be silly...

Perhaps that is the whole point of this discussion.

41 posted on 12/26/2012 1:30:55 PM PST by stayathomemom (Beware of kittens modifying your posts.)
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To: Mich Patriot

>> I don’t like these guys any more than you do, but...

“Show no pity for the elitists. Only when they hang from the gallows they build do they realize their criminal insanity.”


42 posted on 12/26/2012 1:40:13 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: jimbo123

When you have a major news organization controlled by the government, it’s a corruption problem.


43 posted on 12/26/2012 1:42:30 PM PST by jersey117
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To: Mich Patriot
Come'on, you're giving Michigan a bad name. You really don't get this?

For the record, I am totally pro 2A, but an empty mag used as a prop is hardly worthy of discussion. I’d feel the same if the mag was loaded, as long as the firearm wasn’t in the room. DC’s gun laws may be silly, but getting upset over this is even worse. Yes I hate all the gun-grabbers crawling out of the woodwork, but this story is a joke.

David Gregory is pushing for more gun laws. How about enforcing the gun laws on the books first? David Gregory wants to put Americans in jail for violating gun laws, when he himself is violating the gun law.

Get it?

And David Gregory knowingly violated the law. Of course it's a stupid law, but Gregory wants more of the stupidity that's destroying people's lives. You first, Mr. Gregory. Trying to make something out of nothing is a libtard tactic, and one’s reduces credibility.

44 posted on 12/26/2012 1:44:14 PM PST by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: Mich Patriot

“Trying to make something out of nothing is a libtard tactic, and one’s reduces credibility”

I disagree. I think we need to do more of this. We should put 500 people on his front lawn asking for his immediate resignation and holding up signs on why rich liberal white guys get away with this kind of stuff.

I would alinsky him to the max.


45 posted on 12/26/2012 2:44:11 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (You can't bring something to its knees that refuses to stand on its own)
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To: jimbo123
There are no "laws" made by the pretend "government" of the District of Columbia that any US citizen is bound to respect.

This particular "law" was not made by Congress, which has the power, and the responsibility, to legislate for DC "in all cases whatsoever".

46 posted on 12/26/2012 2:48:57 PM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved, or not at all)
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To: Mich Patriot
I don’t subscribe to the ‘na na na na na na, they do it too’ game.

That is how you CHANGE bad laws.
47 posted on 12/26/2012 5:30:12 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: ozzymandus
About 3 weeks of “Shawshank Redemption” for gregory, he'll get the idea about bug-eyed and big mouth and maybe establish some credibility!...
48 posted on 12/27/2012 4:51:23 PM PST by Gertie
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