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Report: Obama Makes Threats, Concedes Little During Fiscal Cliff 'Negotiations'
Townhall.com ^ | December 26, 2012 | Guy Benson

Posted on 12/26/2012 5:30:13 PM PST by Kaslin

While most media accounts of the fiscal cliff fiasco have focused on Republicans' travails, few have adequately noted Democrats' starring role in our current dysfunction.  Harry Reid obstructed a vote on the president's plan, Nancy Pelosi whipped votes against her own erstwhile plan, and the president has fully retreated from ideas he supported as recently as last year.  A pre-Christmas Wall Street Journal article walks readers through the failed negotiations, and two recurring themes are woven throughout: (1) Obama has zero interest in meaningful concessions on his end, and (2) Obama is supremely confident in his ability to stick Republicans with the blame if the economy slides off the cliff.  As the president and the House Speaker begin one final attempt to strike some sort of a deal -- which may eventually pass with mostly Democrat votes -- here are a few nuggets from the Journal's thorough piece about how we've reached the precipice:
 

A review of the negotiations, based on interviews with a dozen aides and lawmakers, suggests the problems lay in Mr. Boehner's inability to coax his rank-and-file to support a deal that raises taxes on higher-income Americans. Another factor was what Republicans saw as President Obama's unwillingness to bend when a deal was in sight, jamming the speaker with a deal his party couldn't swallow. Mr. Obama repeatedly lost patience with the speaker as negotiations faltered. In an Oval Office meeting last week, he told Mr. Boehner that if the sides didn't reach agreement, he would use his inaugural address and his State of the Union speech to tell the country the Republicans were at fault. At one point, according to notes taken by a participant, Mr. Boehner told the president, "I put $800 billion [in tax revenue] on the table. What do I get for that?" "You get nothing," the president said. "I get that for free."


On the White House walking away from the broad outlines of a bipartisan "balanced" deal they tentatively embraced during the debt fight of 2011:
 

The same sticking points kept rearing up—the White House insisting on more tax revenue than Republicans could stomach, and the Republicans demanding deeper cuts than the White House would accept. During one session in the Capitol with White House's legislative liaison Rob Nabors, Mr. Loper from the Boehner camp asked, referring to a near-deal during last year's debt-ceiling fight: "Can you get back into the zone of where you were in July 2011?" "No," Mr. Nabors replied. "We were probably overextended then, and there's no way we would do it now."


On Obama's nonchalant shrug in the face of serious, specific Republican concessions:
 

That night, the speaker and Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R., Va.) decided to make the biggest concession so far. As the country the next day digested news of a brutal school shooting in Connecticut, Mr. Boehner called the president and for the first time offered to let tax rates rise—on income above $1 million. The president acknowledged the concession but said Mr. Boehner's plan wasn't raising enough revenue. News broke the next night both about the concession and that the speaker was willing to extend the borrowing limit. On Sunday, the White House sent a plane to fly Mr. Boehner back to Washington for a morning appointment with the president on Monday, the day it now appears the deal fell apart. In that session, the president held firm for $1.2 trillion in additional tax revenue, a second step down from his original offer. Mr. Boehner asked for another $100 billion in spending cuts but couldn't get a commitment. Finally, the speaker said, "Well, you and I can sit here and stare at each other," or he could leave and they would talk later. Back in the Capitol, Mr. Boehner told Mr. Cantor the president wasn't moving. They agreed to call him. On the call, Mr. Boehner restated he needed $1 in spending cuts for every $1 in revenue raised. He dropped a prior demand to increase the Medicare eligibility age. The president told Mr. Boehner that he was willing to make some concessions on taxes and spending, but cautioned that they needed to retain Democratic votes for the bill to pass.


Conspicuously absent from this report are any insights into Obama's concessions.  Republican leaders essentially negotiated against themselves for weeks; they offered $800 billion in new revenues, then they agreed to allow tax rates to increase on millionaires, then they put a debt ceiling extension on the table, then they dropped their demands on raising the Medicare eligibility age (which liberal groups loudly opposed).  Obama sniffed at each step, and offered nothing in return.  The White House tinkered around with the total sum of tax increases, but they never proposed a package that even approached a 1-for-1 spending cut to tax hike ratio, let alone the 3-to-1 ratio recommended by his fiscal commission.  At one point, Boehner sought a measly $100 billion commitment on additional cuts, and couldn't even get a firm answer on that.  Obama supposedly signaled a willingness to deal on entitlements, but those details strangely never seemed to materialize.  The president has warned GOP negotiators that he's happy to use his inaugural address to deliver body blows in the 'cliff' blame game.  Our hyper-partisan president's overwhelming interest seems to be crippling his political opponents, not fixing the problem.  He believes he has an electoral mandate, public opinion on his side, and the lions share of leverage.  Economic outcomes are secondary.  I'll leave you with two salient reminders:  First, the entire reason our government faces giant crises every six months or so is that Democrats have abandoned the legally-mandated budget process.  We no longer budget in this country -- we govern on a piecemeal, crisis-to-crisis basis.  Second, even if the president got every single item he's asked for, his so-called solution would do nothing to avert our enormous, looming, terrifying fiscal avalanche.


UPDATE - I'll be discussing this issue on this evening's editions of Your World with Neil Cavuto and The O'Reilly Factor, both on Fox News Channel.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: barackobama; bewarethefff; bushtaxcuts; chicagothuggery; deficitsanddebt; fiscalcliff; johnboehner; misshimyet; obamacare; speakerboehner; taxhikes; zerocare

1 posted on 12/26/2012 5:30:20 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
To El-presidente “comprise” means we give him everything he wants and he gives us nothing.
2 posted on 12/26/2012 5:38:12 PM PST by logic101.net (How many children must die on the alter of "gun free zones"?)
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To: Kaslin

Richard Noggin


3 posted on 12/26/2012 5:42:56 PM PST by irish guard
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To: Kaslin

“Report: Obama Makes Threats”

Oh no!! He’s gonna do another silly, long-winded, boring SPEECH!!

Run for the shelters everyone! Cover your ears!


4 posted on 12/26/2012 5:43:46 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Kaslin

Second, even if the president got every single item he’s asked for, his so-called solution would do nothing to avert our enormous, looming, terrifying fiscal avalanche.

Bingo, we have a winner. The Food Stamp President wants to go over the cliff for several reasons. First, he can blame HIS FAILURE on the economy on someone else. Second, he will create a crisis which he will exacerbate and then use as an excuse to declare martial law or some other power grab. Finally, it all fits into forcing the US into the new world order run by the UN.


5 posted on 12/26/2012 5:44:12 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (Save the nation, have your family's progressives spayed or neutered.)
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To: Kaslin

African Warlord


6 posted on 12/26/2012 5:46:06 PM PST by gotribe
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To: Kaslin

By 2016, if America still exists, you will not recognize the nation. It will no longer be a Republic of the people, for the people and by the people. It will be a socialist dictatorship, established by executive orders and a stupid population that will probably turn the House over to the communists and the end is here.


7 posted on 12/26/2012 5:47:50 PM PST by RetiredArmy (1 Cor 15: 50-54 & 1 Thess 4: 13-17. That about covers it.)
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To: RetiredTexasVet

I say lets go over te cliff. Lets help him be the worse president in modern history. Not hat he needs any help. But, just to be sure, lets do it.


8 posted on 12/26/2012 5:49:16 PM PST by snoringbear (Government is the Pimp,)
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To: RetiredTexasVet

I say lets go over te cliff. Lets help him be the worse president in modern history. Not hat he needs any help. But, just to be sure, lets do it.


9 posted on 12/26/2012 5:49:16 PM PST by snoringbear (Government is the Pimp,)
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To: RetiredTexasVet

I say lets go over te cliff. Lets help him be the worse president in modern history. Not hat he needs any help. But, just to be sure, lets do it.


10 posted on 12/26/2012 5:49:29 PM PST by snoringbear (Government is the Pimp,)
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To: RetiredTexasVet

I say lets go over te cliff. Lets help him be the worse president in modern history. Not hat he needs any help. But, just to be sure, lets do it.


11 posted on 12/26/2012 5:49:32 PM PST by snoringbear (Government is the Pimp,)
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To: RetiredArmy

I don’t recognize it right now. Lord only knows what 2013 will bring.


12 posted on 12/26/2012 5:49:48 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: RetiredTexasVet

I say lets go over te cliff. Lets help him be the worse president in modern history. Not hat he needs any help. But, just to be sure, lets do it.


13 posted on 12/26/2012 5:49:54 PM PST by snoringbear (Government is the Pimp,)
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To: F15Eagle

Well, ‘13 is a bad number.


14 posted on 12/26/2012 5:51:03 PM PST by RetiredArmy (1 Cor 15: 50-54 & 1 Thess 4: 13-17. That about covers it.)
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To: snoringbear

You can say that five times!

;)


15 posted on 12/26/2012 5:51:06 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: RetiredArmy

There’s more than a couple of bad ... omens.


16 posted on 12/26/2012 5:51:58 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Kaslin

>> [Obama threatened Boner that] he would use his inaugural address and his State of the Union speech to tell the country the Republicans were at fault.

... at which time, IF the Republican majority had ANY spine, one hundred or more would stand up and shout, in unison,

“YOU LIE!”

Over and over.

But of course they don’t. They’re meek widdle wambs, ripe for B-HO’s slaughter.


17 posted on 12/26/2012 5:52:22 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Kaslin

I just wrote my “republican” congressman and reminded him that he is “political toast” if he raises taxes one penny . I told him to NOT raise the debt ceiling and no way support a “Bisex.. Partisan “ anything. NEVER SURRENDER. NEVER!!!! When the great men on flight 93 brought the plane down in Shanksville to save Washington and kill those wahanni bastards, it was the inspiration to US to crash this plane to save the Nation from obama!!! OVER THE DAMNED CLIFF.


18 posted on 12/26/2012 5:54:51 PM PST by willowdean
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To: F15Eagle; snoringbear

The “I don’t know how that happened. I only clicked “Post” once” or “There must be something wrong with my computer” post fairy strikes again!

Six and I may have had to hang myself, sb.


19 posted on 12/26/2012 6:03:28 PM PST by Mountain Mary (Pray for our Republic...)
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To: Mountain Mary

Sometimes I get double when I use a mobile device and I get the “the link you followed was invalid” or “request timed out”.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh


20 posted on 12/26/2012 6:08:04 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: willowdean
“I just wrote my “republican” congressman and reminded him that he is “political toast” if he raises taxes one penny . I told him to NOT raise the debt ceiling and no way support a “Bisex.. Partisan “ anything.”
_____________________________________________

Good for you!

Likewise, I called our Congress Critters and told them (well, their voice mail) the exact same thing. They do this, and my party affiliation is going Independent!

If the GOP goes along to raise any person's taxes, I hope the party goes extinct!

21 posted on 12/26/2012 6:10:34 PM PST by Artcore
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To: Kaslin

A statesman needs to stand up and call his bluff.


22 posted on 12/26/2012 6:14:38 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Kaslin

A statesman needs to stand up and call his bluff.


23 posted on 12/26/2012 6:15:04 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Kaslin
boehner should have passed whatever bill he could in the house and sent it along to the senate
24 posted on 12/26/2012 6:16:30 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Nervous Tick

Not only are they spineless, but dumber than a box of rocks. They should have voted on a plan in the house, sent it to the senate and let the senate look like the bad guys as they vote it down. In four years the right has never submitted a budget. “they would vote it down” I say to them “so f&^%$#g what, submit one anyway, it shows that the right at least has a plan”. The right looks like a bunch of bumbling idiots and the press and the left are loving every minute of it.


25 posted on 12/26/2012 6:23:04 PM PST by Cyclone59 (Obama is like Ron Burgundy - he will read ANYTHING that is on the teleprompter)
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To: Artcore

God Bless You and God Bless America!! Do not surrender. My friends at the Alamo taught us that.


26 posted on 12/26/2012 6:23:57 PM PST by willowdean
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To: F15Eagle; All; holdonnow; suspects
If Boehner had any cojones (and he doesn't), then he would remove the venue----the House of Representatives is under no obligation to provide Presidents with a forum from which to deliver the State of the Union Address. It's done as a courtesy, and heck, Boehner ought to tell Obama to just send it up to the Hill, and a clerk will read it into the record, just like they used to do before 1913, thereby meeting the Constitutional requirement to "give to Congress information of the State of the Union and recommend to their Consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient."

If Zero wants threaten and harangue Republicans in a public speech, then he can do it with his buddies down at the National Press Club.

27 posted on 12/26/2012 6:24:13 PM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: willowdean

Amen!


28 posted on 12/26/2012 6:33:55 PM PST by Artcore
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To: willowdean

I just wrote my “republican” congressman and reminded him that he is political toast if he raises taxes one penny . I told him to NOT raise the debt ceiling and no way support a “Bi...... Partisan” anything.....”

Yep, another article with “Bi-Part” (for both Federal D.C.- Structure Shakedown Parties), where the People are extorted from.

Just like the fake Massachusetts ExtortionCare candidate they put forth.


29 posted on 12/26/2012 6:34:29 PM PST by Varsity Flight (Extortion-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: Kaslin
He's always been an arrogant SOB. However, of late, he's getting down right scary.

I sense a new Hugo Chavez-like "leader" style is emerging.

30 posted on 12/26/2012 6:36:12 PM PST by llevrok (ObamaLand - Where young people go to retire.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Gosh, you can say that again !


31 posted on 12/26/2012 6:37:22 PM PST by llevrok (ObamaLand - Where young people go to retire.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Gosh, you can say that again !


32 posted on 12/26/2012 6:37:28 PM PST by llevrok (ObamaLand - Where young people go to retire.)
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To: Kaslin
RE :”A pre-Christmas Wall Street Journal article walks readers through the failed negotiations, and two recurring themes are woven throughout: (1) Obama has zero interest in meaningful concessions on his end, and (2) Obama is supremely confident in his ability to stick Republicans with the blame if the economy slides off the cliff.”

No doubt he will succeed, as he did with all the others.

Dems are sure that Bohner will pass a bill that most House Republicans hate. It is certainly easy to picture since all O has to do next year is demand middle class tax cuts.

33 posted on 12/26/2012 6:56:18 PM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: paul51
"boehner should have passed whatever bill he could in the house and sent it along to the senate"

But...but...but...Repubs think this is a "chess match" instead of nuclear war (Which the dems are engage in).

Republican leadership = inept fools
34 posted on 12/26/2012 7:05:22 PM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Timber Rattler

I very much like that idea. It will have the networks in a tizzy, as they promote that thing like crazy for viewers. Hah! A two-fer!


35 posted on 12/26/2012 7:30:55 PM PST by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: Kaslin
Obama wants to finish off the American economy. He'll do whatever it takes. Watch for it.
36 posted on 12/26/2012 7:33:23 PM PST by 444Flyer
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To: Kaslin

strange isnt it, the ego of one man, perfectly willing against all reason to wreck the US economy for his ideology .... versus the GOP House

these guys never figured on dealing with a potus who was willing to shoot the hostages if he could blame the other side for political gain, and having the entire democrat party go all Fredo on the American people


37 posted on 12/26/2012 7:54:29 PM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: RetiredArmy

“By 2016, if America still exists, you will not recognize the nation. It will no longer be a Republic of the people, for the people and by the people. It will be a socialist dictatorship, established by executive orders and a stupid population that will probably turn the House over to the communists and the end is here.”

We’ll know for sure on November 5, 2014...


38 posted on 12/26/2012 8:12:57 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: Kaslin

Washington games.

People expect their benefits to be maintained, to have their taxes kept low and to avoid austerity.

Republicans can’t cut benefits and Democrats can’t raise taxes. So we’re in a Mexican standoff.

The country will muddle through through the next “crisis” in Washington.


39 posted on 12/27/2012 1:17:16 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: snoringbear
Please don't hold down or repeatedly bash the "POST" button if it doesn't seem to be doing anything. That's how you get the multiple posts.
40 posted on 12/27/2012 1:48:56 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: goldstategop
The country will muddle through through the next “crisis” in Washington.

Disagree ..... Barky is stalking us and means to take us down "by any means necessary".

Nobody seems to have connected the dots yet .... how many Middle Eastern regimes has he taken down so far? And people don't yet think he'll try it here, too?

41 posted on 12/27/2012 1:57:31 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: RetiredTexasVet
Finally, it all fits into forcing the US into the new world order run by the UN.

Using the Fiscal Cliff to wreck DoD would certainly fit with that.

Anybody notice the Chinese are taking on more and more U.N. "peacekeeping" missions? No? Everybody still think "they'll never get a U.N. mandate to operate in the States, and a friendly POTUS/TOTUS who'd go with it, to get them ashore in good shape"? (As opposed to getting killed on the beach!)

42 posted on 12/27/2012 2:01:21 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: rollo tomasi
But...but...but...Repubs think this is a "chess match" instead of nuclear war (Which the dems are engage in).

they should learn to play checkers before they move up to anything else

43 posted on 12/27/2012 9:55:41 AM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: lentulusgracchus

I’m sorry, my bad! I think you could use a smiley face, here... :)


44 posted on 12/27/2012 10:15:31 AM PST by snoringbear (Government is the Pimp,)
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