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Nuns speak out: ‘Gun regulation is an imperative’
seattlepi.com ^ | December 26, 2012 | Joel Connelly

Posted on 12/26/2012 8:10:10 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

Regulation of firearms “is an imperative” in the aftermath of the massacre of 26 children and adults in Newtown, Conn., along with “robust care for those with mental illness,” according to a bluntly worded statement by America’s largest organization of Roman Catholic nuns.

“There is much to mourn, but mourning is not enough: The killing must stop, America is losing its future,” said the Leadership Conference of Women Religious. The LCWR asked that convents, monasteries, churches and town halls ring their bells 26 times at noon on Dec. 28, which in the church year is the Feast of the Holy Innocents.

“Gun regulation is an imperative,” added the sisters’ statement. “Automatic weapons created for the battlefield have no place in the hands of children or adults incapable of talking responsibility for their use. This societal rupture has been going on far too long and demands immediate action by our national leaders.

“This is not about protecting the 2nd Amendment, but rather protecting the most precious resource we have — the gift of life. This is also time to restore civility to our world and work to change the pervasive culture of violence found throughout this nation, and especially in the entertainment industry.”

The Leadership Conference has been willing to walk in harm’s way. The LCWR was accused by the Vatican earlier this year of promoting “radical feminist themes incompatible with the Catholic faith” and failing to teach and promote the church hierarchy’s positions opposing contraception, embryonic stem cell research, marriage equality and abortion.

The Vatican named a panel, headed by Seattle Archbishop J. Peter Sartain, to bring the sisters back in line. But the LCWR has denied what it calls “unsubstantiated” Vatican allegations, and defended its activism for social justice.

It has taken far more specific positions than the Catholic hierarchy in the wake of the Newtown massacre. The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops has said through a spokesman that it supports “measures that control the sale and use of firearms.”

Archbishop Sartain, in a statement of sympathy for the Newtown victims, said: “It is at times such as these that we must rely on God, and resolve to become instruments of his peace in our own homes, workplaces and communities. In Christ alone is our hope for true peace, the peace that wipes away every tear and gives life to our darkest hours.”

The LCWR, by contrast, is urging nuns in its ranks to “stand up and speak out for the sacredness of the lives of these (Newtown) children and all people everywhere.” It is also urging action by temporal political leaders.

“We suggest letting your elected officials at every level of government know that you favor responsible gun legislation,” it said. “Encourage congressional leaders to support a federal ban on the sale, transfer, importation and possession of assault weapons and the munitions that go with them.

“Ask them to fund robust care for those with mental illness as well as take steps to address the growing use of violence as a means of entertainment. Call on your local and state officials to do the same.”

The Leadership Conference of Women Religious is an umbrella organization that represents about 57,000 Catholic sisters, or about 80 percent of the women religious in the United States.


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KEYWORDS: banglist; catholic; guncontrol; secondamendment
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1 posted on 12/26/2012 8:10:15 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Sadly these women invite tyranny.


2 posted on 12/26/2012 8:12:01 PM PST by Ron C.
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To: Tailgunner Joe; a fool in paradise; Slings and Arrows
Little sisters, don't you!


3 posted on 12/26/2012 8:14:38 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

quote “Automatic weapons created for the battlefield have no place in the hands of children or adults incapable of talking responsibility for their use”

um..

yeah... that’s why “automatic” weapons are illegal.

I swear agruing with these idiots lowers my IQ.


4 posted on 12/26/2012 8:14:58 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I guess they figured that since speaking out against abortion wasn’t working, they might as well go after guns and the Second Amendment.


5 posted on 12/26/2012 8:16:06 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (U.S. elections have become nothing but another cheap ripoff of American Idol.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“imperative”... as in “imperial”.
An imperial system is find for the church.

As Madison said:”If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither internal nor external checks or controls on government would be necessary.”


6 posted on 12/26/2012 8:16:24 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

It’s OK to hold a nun’s hand, but don’t get into the habit.


7 posted on 12/26/2012 8:17:42 PM PST by moovova (Are you a gun-owner, or a gun-moaner?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
“Gun regulation is an imperative,” added the sisters’ statement. “Automatic weapons created for the battlefield have no place in the hands of children or adults incapable of talking responsibility for their use.

Apparently the good sisters have not been adequately briefed. While I agree that automatic weapons intended for the battlefield have no place in the hands of those not mature nor sane enough to handle them responsibly, regulations in place not only generally prevent children and the insane from having those weapons, but the general and law abiding population as well.

Unless one is military, law enforcement, or a dealer, you won't get your grubbies on a fully automatic firearm made in the last 25 years--not as a lawful owner, anyway.

The look-alikes which the media treat as combat weapons are but a shadow of the firearms deployed on battlefields worldwide, and the good Sisters would do well to understand that fact.

8 posted on 12/26/2012 8:17:50 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Tailgunner Joe; a fool in paradise; Slings and Arrows
Sister Michelle and gun owner Dr. John Carpenter would not approve!


9 posted on 12/26/2012 8:19:26 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

*eyes_roll* Schmucks.


10 posted on 12/26/2012 8:20:24 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Much too passive to be weighing in on this subject. Their thoughts are: just why can't everybody get along? I respect them immensely, but they just don't get it when it comes to dealing with really bad people. A ruler doesn't get it.
11 posted on 12/26/2012 8:22:03 PM PST by deweyfrank
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To: Ron C.

Maybe we need more nun control.


12 posted on 12/26/2012 8:22:14 PM PST by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Excuse me Sisters but we need to be armed for the same reason we need a church...because of sinners.


13 posted on 12/26/2012 8:22:23 PM PST by soycd
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To: Tailgunner Joe

When did automatic weapons become legal again? Buehler? Buehler?


14 posted on 12/26/2012 8:24:03 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: seowulf

LOL - very apparently.


15 posted on 12/26/2012 8:24:20 PM PST by Ron C.
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To: Ron C.

Oy effing vey!!

Could we at FR pulease check this anti catholic rhetoric?

Could we just please get that the mMSM is out to get the Curch more than it is the conservatives, as they have the same goal - freedom?

The word from the Vatican ion these radicals who call themselves Catholic but are not is sdepicted below and was found with so quick a simple google search it would curl your hair.

AGHH! Make it stop!

From NPR JUl 2012:

“In its assessment of the group, the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith said the leadership conference is undermining Roman Catholic teachings on homosexuality and birth control and promoting “radical feminist themes incompatible with the Catholic faith.” It also reprimanded the nuns for hosting speakers who “often contradict or ignore” church teachings and for making public statements that “disagree with or challenge the bishops, who are the church’s authentic teachers of faith and morals.”


16 posted on 12/26/2012 8:24:38 PM PST by stanne
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Probably some of the those new agey liberation theology polluted heretics...


17 posted on 12/26/2012 8:27:32 PM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: Revolting cat!

18 posted on 12/26/2012 8:27:47 PM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe; a fool in paradise

Assault nuns!


19 posted on 12/26/2012 8:28:00 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The penguins can put a sock in it. Infringements on mag capacity, banning certain firearms, banning private party purchases blah blah blah will be ignored flagrantly and obnoxiously.

The tyrant Feinstein even wants to classify all semi-autos in your possession as NFA items subject to registration, tax stamps, LEO sign off, etc like class 3 items.

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/clip/4254274


20 posted on 12/26/2012 8:28:29 PM PST by TheBigJ
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To: stanne

Right. Nuns aren’t Catholic.


21 posted on 12/26/2012 8:28:51 PM PST by DManA
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To: Smokin' Joe

They are not GOOD sisters.

THere is an entire page of articles on a google search.

You good people at FR are falling into the trap of this publication who hate the Church but are so eager to quote someone who says they represent the church.

They do not represent the Church.

Geeze what disappoointment.

Do a little research and assume that when the MSM “quotes” the Church that they is usury going on.

The Pope had words to say regarding thes massacre and there was nothing to be said about the government of the US nor its laws and its Constitution.

Just do basic research or say nothing at all perhaps.


22 posted on 12/26/2012 8:30:06 PM PST by stanne
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To: DManA

Nuns are Catholic.

These nuns who are radical feminists and who stick their noses into US govt business call themselves Catholic but hve been, and recently so, condemned and negated (disoned) by the Catholic Church.

Anyone can call themselves Catholic - doesn’t always mean they are so.

Clue: The Vatican says they’re not.
Clue 2: the mainstream media gives them a voice.


24 posted on 12/26/2012 8:33:27 PM PST by stanne
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To: seowulf

there’s no humor like freeper humor!


25 posted on 12/26/2012 8:33:49 PM PST by MyDogAteMyBallot
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To: stanne

Listen, these Catholics are idiots. Not all Catholics are idiots but these are. And to ridicule them and bash them is not the same as bashing all Catholics.

It is not anti-Catholic to bash an idiot Catholic.


27 posted on 12/26/2012 8:35:22 PM PST by DManA
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To: TheBigJ

You need to check out the Possenti Society. St. Gabriel Possenti is the patron saint of gunowners: http://www.possentisociety.com/what.asp


28 posted on 12/26/2012 8:35:33 PM PST by GOP_Thug_Mom (Iibera nos a malo (Obama, aka: malum vir per puteulanus labiae))
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To: TheBigJ

You need to check out the Possenti Society. St. Gabriel Possenti is the patron saint of gunowners: http://www.possentisociety.com/what.asp


29 posted on 12/26/2012 8:35:50 PM PST by GOP_Thug_Mom (Iibera nos a malo (Obama, aka: malum vir per puteulanus labiae))
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To: Revolting cat!

sigh.

The anti Catholicism on this site is disappointing.

Pile on, but it is mob like.

These nuns hve been denounced by the Vatican and embraced by NPR.

Hatred is not attractive


30 posted on 12/26/2012 8:36:03 PM PST by stanne
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To: stanne

So you are telling me these are phony nuns or nuns who have been kicked out. Any way to prove that?


31 posted on 12/26/2012 8:38:49 PM PST by DManA
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To: TexasFreeper2009
quote “ Automatic weapons created for the battlefield Rulers, cars and sling shots have no place in the hands of children or adults incapable of talking responsibility for their use”

If an adult is incapable of taking responsibility for there use I have a much larger list.

32 posted on 12/26/2012 8:40:01 PM PST by ThomasThomas
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To: stanne

I’m willing to accept they’ve been excommunicated, just show me.


33 posted on 12/26/2012 8:40:06 PM PST by DManA
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To: Tailgunner Joe

>The killing must stop, America is losing its future,” said the Leadership Conference of Women Religious.<

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Hey Sisters, America has lost its future — not because of guns but because who is in the WH.


34 posted on 12/26/2012 8:41:38 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: stanne
These nuns hve been denounced by the Vatican and embraced by NPR.

Why haven't they been given an ultimatum and excommunicated for noncompliance?

35 posted on 12/26/2012 8:43:27 PM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: DManA

Let me give this a try:

These nuns call themselves Catholic. NPR wants to hear from them and five them a voice as Catholics. Red flag?

The Catholic Church has a solid set of rules and regs which have not changed in 2000 or so years.

Sticking their noses into governmental business is not what the Church allows.

People who call themselves Catholic so things that are outside the teachings of the Church, but all Catholics who practice and know their faithare about the business of the church.

These women are not Catholic. they espouse radical feminism which is against the teaching of the Church completely and has been welll studied and documented.

the idiots about whom you speak are not following the teachings of the Church.

this is a mob scene, this thread. Pile on, but every one of the bashing and sex jokes are indicative of ignorant hate and uninformed bigotry utilizing the left wing media as a partner in its hatred.


36 posted on 12/26/2012 8:44:07 PM PST by stanne
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To: stanne

So they are probably nuns and you are talking through you hat.


37 posted on 12/26/2012 8:46:36 PM PST by DManA
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To: Ron C.

These women are also heretics. Inherent to the Catholic views on a right to life, is a right to self defense.


38 posted on 12/26/2012 8:48:35 PM PST by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Let’s gang up on the Mormons instead, shall we? Jehovah’s Witnesses? The 7th Day Adventists are a safe target I hear.


39 posted on 12/26/2012 8:48:35 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

arguably, there is no other product more regulated than guns.


40 posted on 12/26/2012 8:52:25 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Sorry ,dear!

The U.S. Constitution calls every American the right to keep and bear arms, with the understanding that they are for the protection of the American against any tyrannical government.

I, as an individual sovereign of one, do not see where the political ramblings of an offshore governmental entity, where the United States has an official Department of State embassy no less, has any bearing or sway at all, when balanced against the U.S. Constitution, and the Bill of Rights.


41 posted on 12/26/2012 8:52:25 PM PST by Terry L Smith
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To: DManA

As I said, and as anyone prudent in making a post or a reply on a reputable site would do, i did a quick google search after a cut and paste of the name of this org. and added Vatican. Again, as stated, an entire page came up.

Like so:
Google
Leadership Conference of Women Religious Vatican

You know, like one would do wiht any other post that isn’t anti Catholic.

Additionally, there was a very well publicized year or so long review done by the Vatican within the women religious communities last summer (ending) as these kinds of newsy articles that NPR and the like were using to lure folks like you into pretending the Church was out to help change the US into a liberla society, workin ghand in hand with left wing media.

You all are being used.


42 posted on 12/26/2012 8:53:06 PM PST by stanne
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It was getting thick.

Heresy.

A much underused word, and much needed here.


43 posted on 12/26/2012 8:54:43 PM PST by stanne
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To: Revolting cat!

Nope, just Catholics. So rich a target.


44 posted on 12/26/2012 8:55:16 PM PST by stanne
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To: stanne

They are nuns. They are a part of the body of the Catholic church. You may disagree with them but may not expel them from your congregation.

You can’t defend them and reject them at the same time.


45 posted on 12/26/2012 8:56:40 PM PST by DManA
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To: stanne

There you go again. You defend them and you reject them. Your position is self contradictory.


46 posted on 12/26/2012 8:58:33 PM PST by DManA
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To: DManA

I didn’t the Vatican commission did


47 posted on 12/26/2012 9:04:18 PM PST by stanne
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To: Revolting cat!
Perhaps it's b/c these nuns are Swiss.


48 posted on 12/26/2012 9:05:00 PM PST by Daffynition (Self-respect: the secure feeling that no one, as yet, is suspicious. ~ HLM)
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To: stanne

There are hundreds of Vatican commissions. Some say sensible things. Some spout unbelievable communist nonsense.

Are you one of those cafeteria Catholics?


49 posted on 12/26/2012 9:07:33 PM PST by DManA
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To: stanne

Seems to me you are being harder on them than any of the folks you are so resentful of.


50 posted on 12/26/2012 9:13:36 PM PST by DManA
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