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N.J. lawmaker vows to tighten state's gun laws
nj.com ^ | December 26, 2012 | Matt Friedman

Posted on 12/26/2012 10:12:09 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

TRENTON — In the wake of the massacre of 20 Connecticut schoolchildren, New Jersey lawmakers are proposing legislation to toughen gun control as well as to ban the state from holding stock in companies that manufacture or sell assault weapons.

Assemblyman Joseph Cryan (D-Union) said today he plans to introduce a bill tighten New Jersey’s gun laws, already among the strictest in the country, with a "gun safety campaign."

Outlining the first part of the plan, Cryan said the measure would limit the capacity of ammunition magazines from the current maximum of 15 to five.

"The Newtown (Conn.) shooter fired multiple magazines, each one with thirty bullets," Cryan said. "It took him all of 10 minutes to murder 20 children and six adults. The time it took to render them lifeless is as disturbing as the death toll.

He added: "What makes these high-capacity magazines so deadly is the number of rounds that can be fired in a short span. The staff at the school, the children, God rest their souls, had no chance against the amount of ammunition that the shooter armed himself with."

In the state Senate, Richard Codey (D-Essex) said last week that he planned to introduce a bill requiring the state to divest pension funds invested in any company that sells or manufactures assault rifles. It would also ban any future investments in them.

"The only people who need these assault weapons are drug dealers, mass murderers and cop killers," Codey said.

(Excerpt) Read more at nj.com ...


TOPICS: US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; guncontrol; gunlaws; secondamendment

1 posted on 12/26/2012 10:12:11 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

banning them doesn’t even come close to eliminating them. There are so many high cap magazines floating around this country that you will NEVER get rid of them.


2 posted on 12/26/2012 10:18:23 PM PST by RC one (From My Cold Dead Hands.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The time it took to render them lifeless is as disturbing as the death toll.

Because the 100,000 (plus or minus) that died in seconds under Fat Man isn't disturbing when a government does it. I agree with doing it. I still find it disturbing.

The hundreds of millions killed by governments in the 20th century isn't disturbing.

Got it.

How about we outlaw crazy people and governments?

/johnny

3 posted on 12/26/2012 10:22:53 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"The only people who need these assault weapons are drug dealers, mass murderers and cop killers," Codey said.

...ain't it the truth you moron, that's why decent law abiding people need them. Because morons like you won't hold up your end of your oath

4 posted on 12/26/2012 10:24:06 PM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: RC one

Even without 3-D printable mags, anyone with limited metal working skill could fabricate hi-cap mags really easy and quickly.


5 posted on 12/26/2012 10:24:53 PM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
It is hard to believe that 160 years ago gun manufacturers were given awards for their advances in firearms development, even showing their firearms at fairs and exhibitions.

Now they are looked upon with horror.

6 posted on 12/26/2012 10:27:00 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (REOPEN THE CLOSED MENTAL INSTITUTIONS! Damn the ACLU!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Cryan was born on September 1, 1961, in East Orange, the son of John Cryan, an immigrant to the United States from County Roscommon, Ireland, who would later be elected to the General Assembly and served as Sheriff of Essex County.

His father had been charged in Federal court with racketeering and corruption, though the judge in the case dismissed the charges due to prosecutorial mistakes and ended the proceedings against him.

The Assemblyman’s son, also named John Cryan, was convicted of brutally beating a motorist with a baseball bat while two accomplices punched and kicked the victim, after a case of road rage. The younger Cryan was ordered by the court only to probation but he was later jailed for violating the terms of his sentence.

Other relatives involved in public life are his cousin, Morristown Councilman John Cryan, his sister, Union Township Municipal Clerk Eileen Birch, and his brother-in-law Superior Court judge Joseph Donohue.


7 posted on 12/26/2012 10:30:05 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Tailgunner Joe

LOL!
New Jersey is ALREADY Nazi Germany when it comes to gun restrictions. I don’t know what more they can do to leave law-abinding citizens defenseless, but I’m sure Christie and the rest of those scumbags will think of something.

Meanwhile, not one stinking thing will change in Camden.


8 posted on 12/26/2012 10:32:50 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: RC one

As I pointed out in some posts, forty years ago backwoods jungle VC blacksmiths with a pair of tin snips and sheet metal could turn out a 30-40 round magazine for a captured M-16 very quick.

And seventy two years hidden shops in Nazi controlled areas could turn out a machine gun with few power tools to kill nazis. Wonder if the powers that be will ban the old films of such shops turning out guns as fast as possible.

What could a modern man with power tools do in his own shop.


9 posted on 12/26/2012 10:33:15 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (REOPEN THE CLOSED MENTAL INSTITUTIONS! Damn the ACLU!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

There should be no “tightening” that is not Constitutional.


10 posted on 12/26/2012 10:33:21 PM PST by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: umgud
Rock for an anvil. Rock for a hammer. Steel chisel, some kind of chunk of steel for a fuller, and a file... and the sheet metal. Springs can be made from the sheet metal, if required.

Not optimal, but doable.

I think I could make a few out of a junk car.

/johnny

11 posted on 12/26/2012 10:33:51 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Lancey Howard

Gov Christie will ban long guns and promote the use of cake tins as defensive weapons (since he’s always holding one).


12 posted on 12/26/2012 10:36:08 PM PST by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Cryan has something of his own crime family going. His father was indicted on corruption charges in 1979, while holding office as Essex County Sheriff, but he escaped conviction on a technicality. Cryan’s son was jailed for violating a probation sentence handed down after he brutalized a man with a baseball bat while two of his friends punched and kicked the victim.

http://njtoday.net/2011/02/15/voice-of-the-people-mafia-supports-cryan/


13 posted on 12/26/2012 10:36:21 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Tailgunner Joe

But just as Mr. Cryan was to ascend to the chairmanship of the state party — his crowning achievement to this point and the same position once held by his father — he became caught up in these two odd dust-ups.

The first came when a developer with a history of making spectacular accusations claimed in January that the assemblyman — who is also an under sheriff in Union County — once accepted an unreported cash contribution of $2,000. The charge was deemed to be not credible after a two-week investigation by the state attorney general’s office, but Mr. Cryan was left to endure an uncomfortable limbo as his selection was put in jeopardy.

Then, within days of finally being named state chairman last month, Mr. Cryan was caught up in another bizarre turn of events, this one involving a lobbyist and former Corzine campaign worker who was arrested for trying to break into Mr. Cryan’s car while he was at work in the State House. But what might have been an unusual yet insignificant story turned into a news media frenzy when it was learned that the woman’s $5,000 bail had been posted by Gov. Jon S. Corzine himself.


14 posted on 12/26/2012 10:43:29 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Tailgunner Joe

there are 90k nra members in jersey, i don’t and hope that it doesn’t pass and don’t think christie will sign it if he wants to run for president.


15 posted on 12/26/2012 10:43:38 PM PST by Coleus
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To: Tailgunner Joe

TUESDAY, OCTOBER 30, 2007

Another Cryan Arrested Drunk

The politically-connected Cryan family lost another round in its long battle with substance abuse last week, when the brother of Assemblyman Joseph Cryan and owner of Cryan’s Ale House in North Branch was arrested for drunken driving.

A son of former Essex County Sheriff John Cryan Sr. was charged with charged with drunken driving almost four years to the day after his guilt in a prior DWI case was confirmed by an Appellate Division tribunal.
Police stopped John Cryan Jr., 47, for a traffic violation on westbound Interstate 78.

According to authorities, the Pittstown resident failed to maintain his lane and showed signs of intoxication when police pulled him over.

Police reported that the suspect was released to the custody of a family member, who was not identified, but his vehicle was towed and impounded. It is not believed that the family member was the lawmaker, because the brothers are alleged to each have domestic violence restraining orders against each other.

Cryan was previously charged by the Bedminster Police Department with DWI on August 14, 2001 after he crashed his car into a tree at about 2:00 a.m.

Cryan argued that case all the way to the Appellate Division, which confirmed his guilt established in two lower court trials in a decision issued Oct. 27, 2003.

A cousin of the suspect and lawmaker, Morristown Councilman John Cryan, pleaded guilty to assaulting a bartender in January, 2006 and was sentenced to 20 hours community service, mandatory AA meetings, and a $725 fine.

Assemblyman Cryan’s son, also named John Cryan, was jailed for a month this year after having failed drug tests that were part of a probation sentence imposed after he brutally beat a motorist with a baseball bat as two friends punched and kicked the victim.

The assemblyman, is an undersheriff in Union County, vehemently denies any addiction to alcohol or chemical substances, although a court ordered psychological report does refer to “his alcohol abuse.”

“(Karen Golding) acknowledges that she endured, excused and minimized Mr. Cryan’s inappropriate behavior by choosing to believe his alcohol abuse was responsible for his actions,” wrote Margaret R. Curvin, LCSW, a court-appointed psychotherapist in a Dec. 8, 2006 letter to the probation department.

Curvin was named to evaluate Karen Golding, a former girlfriend of the lawmaker, who was arrested on stalking charges after she has tipped a newspaper reporter about financial discrepancies in a non-profit fund controlled by Joseph Cryan.

Sheriff Ralph Froehlich hired Joseph Cryan as second in command seven months after the politician lost his job as bartender in his father’s Metuchen pub in 2002.

While serving as Essex County Sheriff in 1979, John Cryan, an Irish immigrant who owned several drinking establishments, was charged with various counts of official corruption but was freed on a technicality.
The elder Cryan, who died in 2005, was also a former Essex County Democratic Party chairman and a member of the state Assembly.
In addition to his multiple salaried government jobs, Assemblyman Joseph Cryan is the Democratic State Committee chairman and political boss in Union Township.


16 posted on 12/26/2012 10:47:14 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Tailgunner Joe

toughen gun control as well as to ban the state from holding stock in companies that manufacture or sell assault weapons.
1. These ass wads don;t even know what an assault weapon is.
2. You would not be supporting our military and our police whose tools are supplied by those companies.


17 posted on 12/26/2012 10:52:39 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: umgud; Ruy Dias de Bivar

yeah, a 30 round AR15 magazine would be about the easiest thing in the world to fabricate especially if you had an original one for a template. Might be a fun project actually.


18 posted on 12/26/2012 11:02:50 PM PST by RC one (From My Cold Dead Hands.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Gee, if NJ bans private handguns, only the Mafia will have them (esp. Union, NJ, once mafia central for the state).

I wonder who is getting paid off?


19 posted on 12/27/2012 12:36:01 AM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Tailgunner Joe

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20 posted on 12/27/2012 1:00:40 AM PST by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

This was inevitable.

The New Jersey Legislature is populated with people who hate guns. They don’t believe in the Second Amendment and will take every opportunity to restrict gun ownership to the point where it is de facto, non-existent.

I urge all the other people in this forum who believe in the Second Amendment, to send a RESPECTFUL message to this guy, the governor, and the NJ State Senate President Stephen Sweeney.

You needn’t be a Jersey resident to do so.

New Jersey is a broodery for bad gun laws, like the assault rifle ban, which go on later to gain national adoption.

Remember, Cryan needs to be cajoled, not cudgeled, at this point, Christie has aspirations of national office and is a nominal Republican, and State Senate President Sweeney, although a Democrat, has a good rating from the NRA.

Any communications to these people which are accusatory, violent, or angry will be counterproductive and help the advocates of gun control to paint a negative portrait of us.


21 posted on 12/27/2012 1:18:10 AM PST by ZULU (See video: http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-first-siege-of-vienna.html)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The serfs of the People’s Republic of Zoo Jersey elected these IDIOTS! They get what they deserve. The rest who can vote with their feet should just get out if at all possible.!Come over to Pennsylvania where you can still have Hi Cap mags and all the good attachments for your “ assault” rifle.( if you can find one at the moment )


22 posted on 12/27/2012 3:42:15 AM PST by Renegade
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“It took him all of 10 minutes to murder 20 children and six adults.”

Not wanting to nit-pick, but there is some question as to how long it took the local police to respond. Was it “7-8” minutes cited in one place or 20 minutes commonly cited?

Any event that *starts* with the perp murdering his own mother by shooting her four times in the head while she lay in bed is full of evil rage that is already outside the bounds of any human law to restrain.

The perp then went on to shoot each of these poor children from 3 to 11 times.

Had he used a shotgun, he could have murdered at least as many as he did. Had he been limited to an ice pick or tire iron, maybe he would have murdered maybe half as many.

Please don’t insult my intelligence by telling me what law we can pass that would have prevented this. The first law that his parents should have obeyed was to stay married, for many news reports tell of how much the parent’s divorce upset this young man. But if any law needs to be looked at it is the circumstances under which a person of majority age can be involuntarily institutionalized.

Based on the actions of the media elites of the three “national conversations” they demand that we hold, they want to hold the one on firearms first, and they seem hell bent on abridging the Second Amendment irrespective of how the points of their demands relate to this particular mass murder. Putting aside how this smacks of an agenda that has been on the shelf for a long time looking for a good crisis to enable it to be rushed through before we can have a fully-informed discussion, the other “national conversations” we are told that we need are about mental health and school safety.

Are we going to divert finite government resources to fund a new war on previously-legal firearms accessories at the expense of new funding implications of improvements to mental health services or school security? We have borrowed to our limit and now must put a priority on public policy initiatives.

The gun-banners are not really interested in all of this. They only want to make sure they don’t allow a good crisis from going to waste, no matter how many 30 round magazines they need to brandish in gun-free zones to get the job done while the blood is still fresh in the minds of the grieving public.


23 posted on 12/27/2012 5:10:02 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: Doogle
"The only people who need these assault weapons are drug dealers, mass murderers and cop killers," Codey said."

So the cops will be turning theirs in?

24 posted on 12/27/2012 5:16:17 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Perhaps the solution is to start underground production facilities for Sten guns [9mm SMG] like was done in occupied Europe. The Sten was designed to be made from simple tools, sheet metal, and spot welding. I wonder if the NJ gun grabbers would want to face an underground of unlicensed and banned 9mm submachine guns pointed at them. Talk about an “oh, crap” moment.
25 posted on 12/27/2012 11:58:36 AM PST by MasterGunner01
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