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Gun-rights group distances itself from open-carry incident
portlanddailysun.me ^ | December26, 2012 | David Carkhuff

Posted on 12/26/2012 11:04:53 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

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To: jsanders2001

these are “no scary things” voters.

(see hitchiker guide to the galaxy no stress glasses)

It is not “low information” voters, it is “just plain stupid” voters.


21 posted on 12/27/2012 6:45:09 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“Openly carrying an AR-15 or equivalent rifle, or any long-gun for that matter, in a heavily populated municipal area is inherently threatening to most everyone, whether they themselves are gun owners or not,”

That’s the problem of the people feeling threatened, not the rest of us citizens. Cops who are allowed to dress in black, wearing masks, and kicking in doors without announcing themselves, are inherently threatening to me, so will the Chief of Police use his department’s resources to assuage my fears as well?


22 posted on 12/27/2012 6:46:31 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Kids got stones, I'll give him that much... Unlike this turd...

"...is inherently threatening to most everyone..."

That perception wouldn't exist if it wasn't for decades of liberal bed-wetting on every aspect of the RKBA issue.

23 posted on 12/27/2012 6:53:05 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Dead Corpse; All
If the citizen with the rifle had been wearing a uniform with a metal star on it, it likely never would have made the news.

We need to keep taking back the ground we have lost. This guy is doing it.

Yes, he could have done it better, but he did it. How many of us have the cajones to risk as much as he did to do what we think is right?

24 posted on 12/27/2012 6:58:13 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

I’ve been to a few open carry events. Looking forward to the next one too...


25 posted on 12/27/2012 7:00:44 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

A right not exercised is more easily removed.


26 posted on 12/27/2012 7:31:56 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: JimRed

You’ll notice that there is a lot of resistance to the exercise of freely openly carrying arms by a surprising number of gun advocates, as evidenced even in this story. I think that the reason is because they have at some level bought into the idea that it is unreasonable to be armed.

You’ll note, as well, that they are all about ‘feelings’, not about the facts in this case: there is no mention of the man behaving erratically, threatening, or any other “red flag” — he was harassed because he was exercising his rights in no wise contrary to any valid law.

In short, the exercise of the right to keep and bear arms is actively discouraged... I cynically think so that, as you observed, the right might be [more easily] removed.


27 posted on 12/27/2012 10:57:52 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: jsanders2001

i think those that insist on open carry are publicity whores. Conceal is for self defense, the bad guys will be busy taking out the open carry while those concealed can get the bad guys. Dad, cop for 25 years, open carry side arm, when he retired he went to conceal. Wasn’t interested in the publicicty, was interested in self defense...lots of freepers disagree with me, its a semi-free country, but it seems open carry of rifles and guns is a guy with a size problem.. If I was intent on doing some bad stuff, the open carry gets the first few shots.


28 posted on 12/27/2012 7:00:17 PM PST by goat granny
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goat granny said: "it seems open carry of rifles and guns is a guy with a size problem."

Most states with a "right to keep and bear arms" clause in their constitutions have benefitted from what I think are erroneous court decisions that "concealed carry" may be regulated by the state.

In so doing, the courts have made it possible for the state to determine qualifications for carrying concealed which our Founders would find laughable.

By so solidly permitting states to regulate concealed carry, the courts have implicitly ruled that open carry is the basic right that is protected by the Second Amendment.

At the same time, "shall-issue" concealed carry has become so widespread, that liberals find themselves preferring the "out-of-sight, out-of-mind" benefit of concealment. They don't have to recognize that the right exists because it is invisible.

My hope is that the Supreme Court will someday, assuming that it has not been replaced by liberals, recognize that our Founders were silent on the issue of concealment. Had they intended limitations such as requiring concealment or requiring open carry, they could have said so.

The truth is that there are times and places for either.

The person open-carrying in Maine is doing good work in exercising a right which will be lost if not exercised.

Here in the People's Republik of Kalifornia, they have passed a law to ban open carry and they maintain the existing law of allowing local law enforcement to determine who has "good cause" to carry concealed (which for most of us means "NO").

The best outcome for Kalifornia and the U.S. is to recognize that one may "keep" arms, whether openly kept or invisibly kept, and that one may "bear" arms openly or invisibly. Neither keeping nor bearing is limited in the Second Amendment by what people prefer others to do.

29 posted on 12/28/2012 12:08:28 AM PST by William Tell
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goat granny said: "If I was intent on doing some bad stuff, the open carry gets the first few shots."

There seems to be some pretty strong evidence that people intent on doing some bad stuff choose locations where people are disarmed. When those who are openly carrying arrive, the bad guy either shoots himself, so that his death is immediate instead of risking a life in prison using a wheel chair, or the bad guy surrenders.

30 posted on 12/28/2012 12:14:47 AM PST by William Tell
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I agree with and defend the second amendment, I just don’t think open carry of a rifle or shot gun is the wisest way to defend one’s self, while conceal carry, anyone you pass on the street could be carrying, so lets pass on anyone that even looks like he/she might have a gun...Just because the law gives the OK, I don’t believe it is the wisest when it comes to self defense. I know lots of freepers disagree with me, but its just my opinion. There are a lot of different kinds of holsters for hand guns. Now if your way out west, your long gun is kept in the truck, Situation can also determine how you carry..


31 posted on 12/28/2012 9:17:34 AM PST by goat granny
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To: William Tell

Just reread your post, I do that cause I can miss something the first time through.....You live in California, I am so sorry LOL it use to be a great state.....


32 posted on 12/28/2012 9:25:16 AM PST by goat granny
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