Skip to comments.Nadler: ‘The State Ought to Have a Monopoly on Legitimate Violence’
Posted on 12/27/2012 4:01:18 AM PST by IbJensen
(CNSNews.com) Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.) said only the federal government should have high-capacity gun magazines and that the state ought to have a monopoly on legitimate violence.
At a Capitol Hill press conference on Wednesday, Nadler gathered with other House Democrats to push for stricter gun control in the wake of last weeks massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., which left 26 dead, including 20 children.
The lawmaker told CNSNews.com that he not only supports prohibiting the future sale of 10-round gun magazines, but he would like to confiscate high-capacity clips already legally possessed by American citizens.
After the event, CNSNews.com asked Nadler if the shooting massacre at the Ft. Hood military base in 2009 would have been prevented by the legislation he supports. On Nov. 5, 2009 Maj. Nidal Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, used an FN Five-Seven semi-automatic handgun, which can hold 11 to 31 rounds, to unload on the military base after reportedly shouting "Allahu Akbar," or God is Great in Arabic.
CNSNews.com asked: Would banning high-capacity clips at Ft. Hood have prevented Maj. Nidal Hasan from killing 13 people and wounding 29 others?
I dont know. It might have, Nadler said. Certainly, it was on a military base and he may or may not have had authority to use military weapons. I dont know whether he did or not.
But the point of all this is not that we can prevent every single murder, [or] we can prevent every single even mass murder, but we can reduce it greatly, he said. You know, no one would say we shouldnt use penicillin because some people still die of infections, but a lot fewer do because we have penicillin and other wonder drugs.
Nadler continued: Now, the fact of the matter is that Germany has 150 or so people killed a year with guns; Canada, 170; the United States 9,000 to 10,000 a year. We have a murder rate with guns that are 15 to 20 times higher than any other industrialized country. Theres only one explanation and thats the availability, the easy availability of assault weapons and of high-capacity clips.
Now, last Friday we lost 20 children and six adults murdered in a Connecticut school, he said. Last Friday a madman attacked a school in China, an elementary school in China. Twenty-two kids were injured, but none killed because he had a knife, not an assault rifle. Thats the difference.
CNSNews.com then asked, But if a bill was brought up and passed to ban high-capacity clips would the military still be allowed to use them?
Of course, the military would be allowed to use them, Nadler said.
So only the government would be allowed to have high-capacity clips? CNSNews.com asked.
Well, I think the legislation doesnt ban existing ones but -- although I would like to do that, too, he said. But I think the legislation were talking about would prohibit the sale and probably manufacturer sale of high-capacity clips in the future, not those that are in private possession today.
But let me say, yes, Nadler added. One of the definitions of a nation state is that the state has a monopoly on legitimate violence. And the state ought to have a monopoly on legitimate violence.
If the premise of your question is that people are going to resist a tyrannical government by shooting machine guns at American troops, thats insane, he said.
Since Sandy Hook, President Barack Obama and many Democrats are urging action to address more gun control. Obama has said he will use whatever power his office holds to prevent mass shootings in the future. At the prayer vigil for the Sandy Hook shooting on Sunday, Obama mentioned the shootings in Aurora, Co., Oak Creek, Wis., and Tuscon, Ariz., but he did not mention Ft. Hood.
At Wednesdays press conference, Nadler, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), and other Democrats advocated for a bill introduced by Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.) and Diana DeGette (D-Colo.) that would ban magazines for more than 10 rounds of ammunition. The bill would also prohibit the transfer, possession or importation of those magazines that are manufactured after the date of the law being signed.
Following last weeks shooting, Nadler called the National Rifle Association (NRA) enablers of mass murder.
We have a lobby, the leadership of the NRA, who function as enablers of mass murder, Nadler told CNN Host Piers Morgan. And that's what they are. They're enablers of mass murder because they terrify the class of political people. And even though polling shows that most NRA members would support reasonable gun controls, every time someone proposes it, they come in.
They lie. They say they will take your guns away, he said. And they stop any kind of legislation to prevent that.
He don’t want no competition in home invasion robberies.
Between 200,000 and 400,000 Americans die from obesity every year. Wouldn’t gov’t food control be more effective than gov’t gun control?
How about the central socialist government stay the hell out of our lives completely?
Stop redesigning our automobiles.
Stop pedestalizing homosexuals, lesbians and other assorted altered sexes.
Secure our nation’s borders before constructing schools, infranstructures and gigantic American embassies in middle eastern countries.
Eliminate most of the agencies of the intrusive central government.
Stop talking about stupid ideas like statehood for the District of Columbia.
Impeach Obama before Washington begins to resemble Madrid in 1936.
Power comes from the muzzle of a gun.
He wants the Government to have ALL the power. Thought he was American.
You assume that this mental midget, along with the likes of Barry, the Marxist faggot, Obama, Nutsy Pelousy, Reid, Schumer, Bloomberg, and the rest of the progressive cabal have a clear understanding of the purpose of our founding.
It should scare the living daylights out of every common-sense-thinking American that there exist “Representatives” and Senators in our government who are boldly and openly forsaking their oath of office. They all swear to uphold the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic, and guess what? They, themselves, are the enemies. They are the ones who are in open revolt against the very ideals ensconced in our founding documents.
Why it is that our military and the People aren’t in open revolt calling for the imprisonment and/or execution of these usurpers is beyond my understanding. Like the bumper sticker says, “Our Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.”
What’s “legitimate” violence? Would that include the Crips & Bloods and Latin Kings?
Does anyone know where in our Constitution I can find this interesting definition which Nadler cites? Or is it maybe a quote from Alexander Hamilton, Thomas Jefferson, or Thomas Paine? Is Nadler claiming that, per definitionem the United States does not fulfill the criteria for being a nation-state? Well, what are we then?
To me, it is amazing how these politicians can open their mouths before thinking through what they are going to say, and considering whether it conforms with Aristotelian logic.
TREASON. Pre-meditated agitprop by a politician against the citizens of the U.S.A. by subversion of the constitution.
--That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
DEPOPULATE totalitarians from the body politic.
"Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son."-Dean Vernon Wormer
Other members of Nadler’s socialist/totalitarian collective operating in our house...here...
DEFUND/DISMANTLE domestic socialist collectives operating as agents of “government”.
—That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
DEPOPULATE socialists/totalitarians from the body politic.
live - free - republic
Just like to say the Nazis eventually used those beliefs to murder the Jews.
That makes Nadler's arguments just so much garbage ~ the man has a diseased mind. He should be locked up for his own good.
This “state monopoly on legitimate violence” business is straight out of Prussian political theory of the 19th century. Remember, they invented the modern nation-state. They also invented government-run schools.
The 2nd Amendment is there to protect us against people like Nadler.
As Leonidas told the Persians...’Molon Labe’.
A government is only as moral and upright as the people who run it on a day-to-day basis. Unfortunately, our government seems replete with evil people and tyranny has resulted. Our government no longer has the moral standing to create law, let alone define “legitimate violence”. An adequately armed public is the only check-and-balance left on the government because they have corrupted politics and the system for conducting elections. We are down to our LAST line of defense against an evil government. We simply cannot allow them to neutralize an armed citizenry as well or most of us will become slaves to the government. Live free or die. . . .