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Nadler: ‘The State Ought to Have a Monopoly on Legitimate Violence’
CNS News ^ | 12/21/2012 | Elizabeth Harrington

Posted on 12/27/2012 4:01:18 AM PST by IbJensen

(CNSNews.com) – Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.) said only the federal government should have “high-capacity” gun magazines and that the “state ought to have a monopoly on legitimate violence.”

At a Capitol Hill press conference on Wednesday, Nadler gathered with other House Democrats to push for stricter gun control in the wake of last week’s massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., which left 26 dead, including 20 children.

The lawmaker told CNSNews.com that he not only supports prohibiting the future sale of 10-round gun magazines, but he would like to confiscate high-capacity clips already legally possessed by American citizens.

After the event, CNSNews.com asked Nadler if the shooting massacre at the Ft. Hood military base in 2009 would have been prevented by the legislation he supports. On Nov. 5, 2009 Maj. Nidal Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, used an FN Five-Seven semi-automatic handgun, which can hold 11 to 31 rounds, to unload on the military base after reportedly shouting "Allahu Akbar," or “God is Great” in Arabic.

CNSNews.com asked: “Would banning high-capacity clips at Ft. Hood have prevented Maj. Nidal Hasan from killing 13 people and wounding 29 others?”

“I don’t know. It might have,” Nadler said. “Certainly, it was on a military base and he may or may not have had authority to use military weapons. I don’t know whether he did or not.”

“But the point of all this is not that we can prevent every single murder, [or] we can prevent every single even mass murder, but we can reduce it greatly,” he said. “You know, no one would say we shouldn’t use penicillin because some people still die of infections, but a lot fewer do because we have penicillin and other wonder drugs.”

Nadler continued: “Now, the fact of the matter is that Germany has 150 or so people killed a year with guns; Canada, 170; the United States 9,000 to 10,000 a year. We have a murder rate with guns that are 15 to 20 times higher than any other industrialized country. There’s only one explanation and that’s the availability, the easy availability of assault weapons and of high-capacity clips.”

“Now, last Friday we lost 20 children and six adults murdered in a Connecticut school,” he said. “Last Friday a madman attacked a school in China, an elementary school in China. Twenty-two kids were injured, but none killed because he had a knife, not an assault rifle. That’s the difference.”

CNSNews.com then asked, “But if a bill was brought up and passed to ban high-capacity clips would the military still be allowed to use them?”

“Of course, the military would be allowed to use them,” Nadler said.

“So only the government would be allowed to have high-capacity clips?” CNSNews.com asked.

“Yes.”

“Well, I think the legislation doesn’t ban existing ones but -- although I would like to do that, too,” he said. “But I think the legislation we’re talking about would prohibit the sale and probably manufacturer sale of high-capacity clips in the future, not those that are in private possession today.”

“But let me say, yes,” Nadler added. “One of the definitions of a nation state is that the state has a monopoly on legitimate violence. And the state ought to have a monopoly on legitimate violence.”

“If the premise of your question is that people are going to resist a tyrannical government by shooting machine guns at American troops, that’s insane,” he said.

Since Sandy Hook, President Barack Obama and many Democrats are urging action to address more gun control. Obama has said he will use “whatever power” his office holds to prevent mass shootings in the future. At the prayer vigil for the Sandy Hook shooting on Sunday, Obama mentioned the shootings in Aurora, Co., Oak Creek, Wis., and Tuscon, Ariz., but he did not mention Ft. Hood.

At Wednesday’s press conference, Nadler, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), and other Democrats advocated for a bill introduced by Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.) and Diana DeGette (D-Colo.) that would ban magazines for more than 10 rounds of ammunition. The bill would also prohibit the transfer, possession or importation of those magazines that are manufactured after the date of the law being signed.

Following last week’s shooting, Nadler called the National Rifle Association (NRA) “enablers of mass murder.”

“We have a lobby, the leadership of the NRA, who function as enablers of mass murder,” Nadler told CNN Host Piers Morgan. “And that's what they are. They're enablers of mass murder because they terrify the class of political people. And even though polling shows that most NRA members would support reasonable gun controls, every time someone proposes it, they come in.”

“They lie. They say they will take your guns away,” he said. “And they stop any kind of legislation to prevent that.”


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The central socialist government sets a fine example for Americans by condoning and encouraging abortions thereby diminishing the respect for life. The inconvenience of child rearing is taken care of by the liberals in both parties who continually harp and campaign on 'the woman's right to choose.'

Godless America is well-versed in the "legitimate violence" against innocents in what should be their safest place of refuge, their mothers' wombs since Roe v. Wade with the death toll upwards of 50,000,000 and counting!

1 posted on 12/27/2012 4:01:27 AM PST by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen

Hey Nadler, you obese, self-righteous moron.....riddle me these:

1. What is the definition of “legitimate violence”?...and

2. Who gets the monopoly on “illegitimate violence”? [raises up out of chair, hand waving frantically....”I know! I know!”]


2 posted on 12/27/2012 4:04:26 AM PST by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: IbJensen

That’s exactly why the right to bear arms was added to the Bill of Rights....government was never meant to outgun “The People”.


3 posted on 12/27/2012 4:10:00 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: IbJensen

Exactly what our Constitution is intended to prevent!


4 posted on 12/27/2012 4:10:38 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: RightOnline

To put this in the right prospective...because I live around the DC region...since January of 2010....roughly 350 people have been killed. The list is mostly by knife, violent assault and pistol. Those killed by assault rifle or ammo clips of more than 10 bullets?

Well....I’m pretty sure that almost all died without the aid of the larger ammo clips and any confiscation of such ammo clips would not have saved a single one of the 350 DC lives.

So we might all want to add up the deaths per year by large ammo clips and ask how many would have survived?

As well....what of the 1k lives gone....by Salmonella poisoning? Could we possibly ban Salmonella? And the 100 lives lost in Tennessee each year by motorcycle....could we ban them and save those 100 lives? And the 400 lives lost each year by bus....could we ban buses....to save the 400 souls?


5 posted on 12/27/2012 4:12:47 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Nadler looks so nice now that he’s lost 450 lbs.

Who would have thought that an erstwhile jew would fit into a gestapo uniform?

The American political jew and those who vote for these leftist loons are of a completely different race from those who inhabit Israel.


6 posted on 12/27/2012 4:17:46 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: IbJensen
Nadler is a communist pig, He has never read the Constitution that he swore to uphold. He is a trator to his country and should be sent to Gitmo now.
7 posted on 12/27/2012 4:23:21 AM PST by Big Mack (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to eat VEGETABLES!)
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To: IbJensen

Ah. ‘Rape rape’ again.


8 posted on 12/27/2012 4:24:55 AM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: IbJensen

our murder rate is high because of high capacity magazines and assault weapons!!! of course! our car crash rate is high because we have more sports cars...


9 posted on 12/27/2012 4:25:04 AM PST by databoss
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To: IbJensen

Nadler: ‘The State Ought to Have a Monopoly on Legitimate Violence’

What they really want? A path to tyranny.


10 posted on 12/27/2012 4:28:13 AM PST by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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To: IbJensen
“state ought to have a monopoly on legitimate violence.”

Right sweetie, just look at how well that worked out in China, Germany, Russia, Iraq, Cambodia.....

11 posted on 12/27/2012 4:28:38 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Fate plays chess and you don't find out until too late that he's been using two queens all along)
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Bookmarking.


12 posted on 12/27/2012 4:38:02 AM PST by RandallFlagg ("Liberalism is about as progressive as CANCER" -Alfonzo Rachel)
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To: IbJensen

“Who would have thought that an erstwhile jew would fit into a gestapo uniform”

He probably shops at the same boutique as David Axelrod.


13 posted on 12/27/2012 4:38:02 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (You can't bring something to its knees that refuses to stand on its own)
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To: IbJensen

Sure because states worldwide have been so careful in the use of force. Civilians are never hurt by armed governments /s

The world would be better with armed civilians and disarmed states; not much but better than the reverse.


14 posted on 12/27/2012 4:40:10 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: IbJensen
Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.) said only the federal government should have “high-capacity” gun magazines and that the “state ought to have a monopoly on legitimate violence.”

That is one of the hallmarks of a totalitarian government.

15 posted on 12/27/2012 4:48:26 AM PST by oldbrowser (They are marxists, don't call them democrats)
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To: IbJensen
Here you go, Nadler, you pig. THIS is what you want:


16 posted on 12/27/2012 4:50:27 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved, or not at all)
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To: IbJensen


Is there a little hammer and sickle on the lapel button?
If not, there should be.
17 posted on 12/27/2012 4:51:23 AM PST by servo1969
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To: IbJensen
"state ought to have a monopoly on legitimate violence.”

When a sitting Congressman advocates usurping the Second Amendment he has committed treason yet not a peep from the media or the Republicans. There was a time when Nadler would have been swinging from a tree before lunch for such subversive, treasonous statements but unfortunately we've been slowly conquered from within by Communists and the majority of voting Americans want what they're selling. America is DEAD.
18 posted on 12/27/2012 4:51:35 AM PST by 762X51
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To: IbJensen

Since the fat boy loves commies, here’s one for him:

Your enemy will bring to you all the weapons you need to defeat him - Mao Tsetung


19 posted on 12/27/2012 4:51:41 AM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: Sacajaweau

Thomas Jefferson. Smart man... “When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.”


20 posted on 12/27/2012 4:52:15 AM PST by jimsin
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To: IbJensen

He don’t want no competition in home invasion robberies.


21 posted on 12/27/2012 4:52:15 AM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Superciliousness is the essence of Obama)
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To: IbJensen

“Sieg Heil”


22 posted on 12/27/2012 4:54:51 AM PST by meyer (Proud member of the 53%.)
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To: IbJensen

Between 200,000 and 400,000 Americans die from obesity every year. Wouldn’t gov’t food control be more effective than gov’t gun control?


23 posted on 12/27/2012 5:05:36 AM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Sooth2222

How about the central socialist government stay the hell out of our lives completely?

Stop redesigning our automobiles.

Stop pedestalizing homosexuals, lesbians and other assorted altered sexes.

Secure our nation’s borders before constructing schools, infranstructures and gigantic American embassies in middle eastern countries.

Eliminate most of the agencies of the intrusive central government.

Stop talking about stupid ideas like statehood for the District of Columbia.

Impeach Obama before Washington begins to resemble Madrid in 1936.


24 posted on 12/27/2012 5:09:45 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: IbJensen
The very reason for the 2nd amendment to the Constitution is to insure that the state does not have a monopoly on legitimate violence.
25 posted on 12/27/2012 5:09:56 AM PST by windsorknot
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To: IbJensen

http://capitalismmagazine.com/2000/03/limits-on-guns/


26 posted on 12/27/2012 5:22:46 AM PST by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be purchased and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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To: IbJensen

Power comes from the muzzle of a gun.

He wants the Government to have ALL the power. Thought he was American.


27 posted on 12/27/2012 5:23:14 AM PST by FrogMom (Chicken Little is coming, and he's right!)
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To: Sacajaweau; SWAMPSNIPER

Gentlemen,

You assume that this mental midget, along with the likes of Barry, the Marxist faggot, Obama, Nutsy Pelousy, Reid, Schumer, Bloomberg, and the rest of the progressive cabal have a clear understanding of the purpose of our founding.

It should scare the living daylights out of every common-sense-thinking American that there exist “Representatives” and Senators in our government who are boldly and openly forsaking their oath of office. They all swear to uphold the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic, and guess what? They, themselves, are the enemies. They are the ones who are in open revolt against the very ideals ensconced in our founding documents.

Why it is that our military and the People aren’t in open revolt calling for the imprisonment and/or execution of these usurpers is beyond my understanding. Like the bumper sticker says, “Our Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.”


28 posted on 12/27/2012 5:33:56 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: IbJensen

What’s “legitimate” violence? Would that include the Crips & Bloods and Latin Kings?


29 posted on 12/27/2012 5:40:24 AM PST by jersey117
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To: IbJensen
Nadler added. "One of the definitions of a nation state is that the state has a monopoly on legitimate violence. [...]"

Does anyone know where in our Constitution I can find this interesting definition which Nadler cites? Or is it maybe a quote from Alexander Hamilton, Thomas Jefferson, or Thomas Paine? Is Nadler claiming that, per definitionem the United States does not fulfill the criteria for being a nation-state? Well, what are we then?

To me, it is amazing how these politicians can open their mouths before thinking through what they are going to say, and considering whether it conforms with Aristotelian logic.

Regards,

30 posted on 12/27/2012 5:42:40 AM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: IbJensen
Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.) said only the federal government should have “high-capacity” gun magazines and that the “state ought to have a monopoly on legitimate violence.”

TREASON. Pre-meditated agitprop by a politician against the citizens of the U.S.A. by subversion of the constitution.

--That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

DEPOPULATE totalitarians from the body politic.

31 posted on 12/27/2012 5:43:24 AM PST by PGalt
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To: IbJensen
Someone should ask Nadler that if he can't control what he puts into his own mouth, how he can possibly think that he can control the behavior of everyone else.

"Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son."-Dean Vernon Wormer

32 posted on 12/27/2012 5:46:43 AM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: IbJensen

Other members of Nadler’s socialist/totalitarian collective operating in our house...here...

http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/caucus-members/

Their proposal...here...

http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/resolution-on-preventing-gun-violence/

DEFUND/DISMANTLE domestic socialist collectives operating as agents of “government”.

—That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

DEPOPULATE socialists/totalitarians from the body politic.

live - free - republic


33 posted on 12/27/2012 5:52:50 AM PST by PGalt
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To: IbJensen
Nadler's beliefs regarding violence are entirely German and Eastern European. These are not in the American tradition.

Just like to say the Nazis eventually used those beliefs to murder the Jews.

That makes Nadler's arguments just so much garbage ~ the man has a diseased mind. He should be locked up for his own good.

34 posted on 12/27/2012 5:57:16 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: IbJensen

This “state monopoly on legitimate violence” business is straight out of Prussian political theory of the 19th century. Remember, they invented the modern nation-state. They also invented government-run schools.


35 posted on 12/27/2012 5:58:43 AM PST by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: Oberon
Oh, sorry... not the 19th century. I missed it by 19 years. The concept, explicitly articulated, is attributed to Max Weber in his 1919 book Politics as a Vocation.
36 posted on 12/27/2012 6:03:21 AM PST by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: IbJensen

The 2nd Amendment is there to protect us against people like Nadler.


37 posted on 12/27/2012 6:04:09 AM PST by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: IbJensen
Lexington & Concord: those who do not learn from history are bound to repeat it.
38 posted on 12/27/2012 6:10:43 AM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: muawiyah

As Leonidas told the Persians...’Molon Labe’.


39 posted on 12/27/2012 6:19:56 AM PST by dogcaller
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To: IbJensen

A government is only as moral and upright as the people who run it on a day-to-day basis. Unfortunately, our government seems replete with evil people and tyranny has resulted. Our government no longer has the moral standing to create law, let alone define “legitimate violence”. An adequately armed public is the only check-and-balance left on the government because they have corrupted politics and the system for conducting elections. We are down to our LAST line of defense against an evil government. We simply cannot allow them to neutralize an armed citizenry as well or most of us will become slaves to the government. Live free or die. . . .


40 posted on 12/27/2012 6:43:52 AM PST by RatRipper (Self-centeredness, greed, envy, deceit and lawless corruption has killed this once great nation.)
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To: servo1969

Nadler is a Sonderkommando and thus, the lowest form of life.


41 posted on 12/27/2012 6:45:28 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Jim Noble

It’s what he wants but it is where he will be on the receiving end of.


42 posted on 12/27/2012 6:58:05 AM PST by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: IbJensen

Did this turd have his stomach removed or something? Last picture I saw of him his neck was wider than my waist, and his girth would not have fit in my two-and-a-half car garage.


43 posted on 12/27/2012 7:04:47 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: rarestia

New York City is the source of most of the evil in this nation.


44 posted on 12/27/2012 7:14:39 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: IbJensen

This worthless Nazi piece-of-crap Nadler and Adam Lanza should both have been sharing a padded room at a mental institution. They’re both bat $hit crazy.


45 posted on 12/27/2012 7:22:36 AM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (November 6, 2012.....A day that will live in infamy!)
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To: ought-six

I agree. It looks like Gerald lost about half a ton. I imagine that most of that excess weight was probably due to the fact that he hadn’t had a bowel movement in years.

In other words, he was full of defecation as are most of those cowardly traitors who fill up the nation’s Congress.


46 posted on 12/27/2012 7:35:19 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: IbJensen
Too bad there was no "state" in Germany from 1933 to 1945. Just imagine if there had been, everything would have turned out all right! [/sarcasm]

PS: I once read a letter from the editor in a local newspaper in which some idiot claimed there would have been no Holocaust if Germany had had gun control! True story!!!

47 posted on 12/27/2012 7:54:13 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: jimsin

“Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action. “ ~ Attributed to George Washington


48 posted on 12/27/2012 8:23:09 AM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: Oberon
Correction ~ the modern nation state arose out of the agreements that ended the 30 years war ~ called The Peace of Westphalia ~ that's in the 1600s.

The Prussian takeover followed on the heals of the Prussian invention of the modern postal union in the 1800s ~ nothing else than that.

Public schools were part of the package in a good number of very ancient city states ~ in Europe, Asia AND Africa.

49 posted on 12/27/2012 8:38:42 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: massgopguy

That would be true were it not the case that victims did the work. You have to insert VOLUNTARY before the expression to get the gist ~ which is someone who came in from outside to voluntarily move dead Jewish bodies from the gas chambers to the ovens, or the trenches ~ BECAUSE HE OR SHE LIKED IT!


50 posted on 12/27/2012 8:40:45 AM PST by muawiyah
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