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Vietnam Plus-50 ^ | December 27, 2012 | Cal Thomas

Posted on 12/27/2012 6:22:31 AM PST by Kaslin

HANOI, Vietnam -- It has been 50 years since President John F. Kennedy ordered U.S. "advisers" to South Vietnam to help battle the communist North and 37 years since the end of that divisive war and the country's unification under Communism.

Today, Vietnam is fighting a war with itself.

A local TV program reminds a visitor of Chinese propaganda "operas" circa 1970. Performers, some wearing military garb with a backdrop of missiles and an American B-52 bomber going down in flames, commemorate the 1972 Christmas bombing of Hanoi and Haiphong ordered by President Richard Nixon. Banners and posters in the streets reinforce the government's history lesson.

Younger people, who substantially outnumber the old guard, seem mostly indifferent to these messages, because few lived through the war. An American official tells me just 4 percent of the population belongs to the Communist Party.

While there are large pockets of poverty between and even within major cities like Ho Chi Minh City, Da Nang and Hanoi, prosperity is making inroads. The 1-year-old Da Nang airport is more modern than some U.S. airports. Luxury hotels, clothing stores and restaurants abound. While many cater to foreign travelers, many locals wear stylish Western clothes and transport themselves on motorbikes and in cars. Twenty years ago, the primary mode of transportation was the bicycle.

Vietnam eagerly wants to conclude a trade agreement with the United States known as TPP. Among other things, it would allow for more capital investment here and more Vietnamese goods to be sold in the United States. Deputy Foreign Minister Nguyen Phuong Nga tells me that since normalization of relations in 1995, the U.S. has become the "eighth-biggest foreign investor in Vietnam," totaling $10 billion.

U.S. officials say human rights issues, including more religious freedom, are holding up American approval of the new trade deal. I asked Madame Nga about this and the recent sentencing of three bloggers to between four and 12 years in prison for criticizing the government.

She deflects the question by noting press criticism of government corruption (true) and claims people have freedom of speech so long as they do not cause "harm," a word open to interpretation in a one-party state.

Vietnam recently opened two new areas to exploration for the bodies of American soldiers missing in action. Madame Nga says Vietnam has "actively worked with and supported the U.S. in finding the MIAs during the last 20 years," but notes that on the Vietnamese side "about 3 million MIAs remain to be found." She also says "there are more than 3 million Vietnamese known as victims of Agent Orange ... while thousands of hectares of land are contaminated with dioxin." She adds her appreciation for money provided by Congress to help victims and clean land, but she says more is needed.

As in many other one-party states, the Internet remains a powerful counterforce to managed information. The U.S. Embassy provides, and the government mostly allows, an information center where students and others can log onto iPads and search for information that is often counter to the government line.

The old guard remains suspicious about American objectives, seeing economic and political liberalization as a strategy to achieve among the Vietnamese people what America failed to in pursuing their "hearts and minds" in the war.

Professor Carlyle A. Thayer of the University of New South Wales, an expert on Vietnam, said recently, "Vietnam is motivated to keep the U.S. engaged in Southeast Asia, and the South China Sea in particular, as a balance to China," which claims some territorial rights in conflict with Vietnam and is a formidable economic and military power on its northern border.

Vietnam is in transition, and it is unrealistic to expect too much progress too quickly. Considering where it was when the U.S. left in 1975, the country appears to be inching in a positive direction. Those Americans who died here left behind the seeds of democracy, capitalism and a desire for prosperity and freedom. Whatever one's view of that war, it can be said they did not die in vain.

TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: communism; democracy; freedomofspeech; vietnam

1 posted on 12/27/2012 6:22:38 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

I had to buy it....a Marine Corps baseball cap, made guessed it...Vietnam.

3 posted on 12/27/2012 6:51:27 AM PST by stylin19a (obama -> Fredo smart)
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To: Kaslin

If you are able,
Save for them a place
Inside of you
And save one backward glance
When you are leaving
For the places they can
Go no longer.

Be not ashamed to say
You loved them,
Though you may
Or may not have always.

Take what they have left
And what they have taught you
With their dying
And keep it with your own.

And in that time
When men decide and feel safe
To call the war insane,
Take one moment to embrace
Those gentle heroes
You left behind.

Major Michael Davis O’Donnell
1 January 1970
Dak To, Vietnam

They may or may not have died in vain, but they died none the less for a country that basically could have cared less!

And yes, I am still bitter.

Greg Adams
South Texas

4 posted on 12/27/2012 7:15:55 AM PST by ImpBill ("America, where are you now?" - Little "r" republican!)
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To: stylin19a

Your Marine Corp Vietnam made baseball cap can serve as a tragic symbol of how we lost and , alas, “won” the war.

5 posted on 12/27/2012 7:41:09 AM PST by supremedoctrine
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To: ImpBill
"And yes, I am still bitter."


6 posted on 12/27/2012 7:42:25 AM PST by JDoutrider
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To: supremedoctrine

I have friends who fought in Vietnam and always wonder how they must feel when they walk through stores and see all the Made in Vietnam crap. Adds “pointless” to “unappreciated” I’d imagine. (more stuff in the mall is made by “Communists” than anyone else).

7 posted on 12/27/2012 7:55:34 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: stylin19a
I had to buy it ...
No you didn't.
8 posted on 12/27/2012 7:58:36 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: ImpBill
And yes, I am still bitter.
Amen brother.
9 posted on 12/27/2012 8:00:21 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: oh8eleven

too much irony....had to.
my best friend is a genuine hero(silver, 2 PH) and he wants to burn it. I just might let him.

from one 0811 to another....Semper Fi

10 posted on 12/27/2012 8:03:45 AM PST by stylin19a (obama -> Fredo smart)
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To: JDoutrider

“And yes, I am still bitter.”

I can’t help but wonder if John Kerry is still bitter.

11 posted on 12/27/2012 8:05:25 AM PST by AFret. ("Charlie don't surf ! ")
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To: stylin19a
my best friend ... wants to burn it
If my best friend could talk, he'd agree with him.

12 posted on 12/27/2012 8:11:55 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: stylecouncilor

Hill 29 ping....

13 posted on 12/27/2012 8:45:36 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Kaslin
Scratched in an abandoned barracks at MACV Ton Son Nhut airbase:

When you hear the pitter patter

of tiny feet

You know the ARVN

are on retreat.

14 posted on 12/27/2012 8:54:45 AM PST by DainBramage
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To: Kaslin

Just like all good little socialists/communists/progressives, once they gained control, then the leaders had Mercedes and the people work for $100 a month. Communism is a lie put forth by people who want wealth and power but can’t get it in their present system. And lots of people die.

15 posted on 12/27/2012 9:02:09 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Just reflecting.
Is that reaction different than those who fought the Japanese and then were faced with the many products made in Japan at the US reconstructed economy?
16 posted on 12/27/2012 12:54:14 PM PST by tbird-james
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To: ImpBill
And yes, I am still bitter.

There are many.
17 posted on 12/27/2012 4:07:42 PM PST by Misplaced Texan (July 4, 2009 - the first day of the 2nd Revolution!)
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