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Professor: Don't Be Surprised If There's A War Between Japan And China In The Next Year
Business Insider ^ | 12/26/12

Posted on 12/27/2012 6:50:49 AM PST by LibWhacker

Chinese planes flew near Japanese airspace Monday to assert its claims to Japan's Senkaku islands (China calls them the Diaoyu islands).

The move came just as Japan announced its new prime minister.

Hugh White, a professor at Australian National University and a former Australian defense official, believes this is the latest sign the two countries are heading to war.

And the U.S. will be dragged in.

Writing in the Sydney Morning Herald, White says we are now witnessing the types of conditions that have historically led to war — despite conflict being in no one's interest.

THIS is how wars usually start: with a steadily escalating stand-off over something intrinsically worthless. So don't be too surprised if the US and Japan go to war with China next year over the uninhabited rocks that Japan calls the Senkakus and China calls the Diaoyu islands. And don't assume the war would be contained and short.

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It seems almost laughably unthinkable that the world's three richest countries - two of them nuclear-armed - would go to war over something so trivial. But that is to confuse what starts a war with what causes it.

The conflict is really about China challenging the U.S. in the Pacific...

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/china-japan-senkaku-diaoyu-war-2012-12#ixzz2GGNo79r4

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: Japan; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; japan; senkaku; war

1 posted on 12/27/2012 6:50:56 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker
Well, if I wanted to destroy the United States as a political entity, I would probably choose a three-part strategy:

1) Collapse the US dollar and make it worthless
2) Initiate a war with China
3) Fight the war very badly

But, of course, these things would never happen.

2 posted on 12/27/2012 6:55:27 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Republicans have made themselves useless, toothless, and clueless.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
You are correct, as far as you go and I'm not going to disagree with you, but there is no clear case here, guy. Sorry.

This is a very complicated issue and, if no diplomatic out is discovered, it could get very messy.

Long before the real shooting begins, this will escalate into a trade/bond/currency war. What happens if:

1. China nationalizes US and Japanese investments in China?

2. Japan and the US nationalize Chinese investments?

3. Japan and the US bar Chinese imports?

4. China dumps US and Japanese bonds?

5. Japan and the US initiate a naval blockade of China?

The author of the piece does not mention that the US is treaty bound to defend Japanese possession of these islands. Throw that into the mix.

Did I say this would get messy?

3 posted on 12/27/2012 7:15:53 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
But, of course, these things would never happen.

If it did, we can take some comfort in the fact that the ChiComs would find little use for a golf-playing poofter after the war was over.

4 posted on 12/27/2012 7:20:17 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Democracy is indispensable to socialism. The goal of socialism is communism." --Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

I’m with you on all of that.

I just think that — as with the “Fiscal Cliff” issue — I’m not at all sure that Obama wants a solution, wants to avoid a crisis, or wants an outcome favorable to this country.

China and Japan are having a serious disagreement here. In times past, one might look to the President of the United States to help forge a diplomatic solution. Any number of past presidents might have stepped in and helped the participants find a peaceful outcome here.

Not Obama. I would expect him to quietly and expertly piss off both parties, throw gasoline on the fire and then blame US gun owners for the “unexpected” outcome.


5 posted on 12/27/2012 7:24:58 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Republicans have made themselves useless, toothless, and clueless.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
"The author of the piece does not mention that the US is treaty bound to defend Japanese possession of these islands."

With Barry at the helm, that treaty isn't worth the paper it is written on.

6 posted on 12/27/2012 7:28:29 AM PST by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

China is all bluff. They sabre rattle just enough to satisfy their hordes.

China has painted itself into a corner. The last thing they want is for none of us idiots to buy their cheap adultrated crap which will cause massive unemployment in China and could easily cause an internal revolt. The Chinese Commy government walks a very thin tightrope.


7 posted on 12/27/2012 7:31:48 AM PST by X-spurt (Republic of Texas)
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To: Flag_This

How about we stop sending all our money to China??

Our trade deficit with China continues to increase every month. All from 49% factories which operate FIRST for the Chicoms.

When are we going to push back??


8 posted on 12/27/2012 7:33:28 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: X-spurt
China is all bluff. They sabre rattle just enough to satisfy their hordes.

Bingo, we have a winner!

The ostensibly Communist regime collapses and party hacks start hanging from lampposts 24 hours after we announce "you've just made your last shipment to Walmart".


9 posted on 12/27/2012 7:37:54 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: LibWhacker

The war is coming, not clear when. Certainly China has many more nukes than publicly announced. Obama is reducing our deterrent. The Chinese figure we won’t risk cities over Pacific Islands, or anything else for that matter.

It’s coming, not clear when, could have been avoided.

However I doubt the Chinese navy is a match for us at present. That is, if we fight.


10 posted on 12/27/2012 7:39:09 AM PST by Williams (No Obama)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I don’t know if Obama can even recognize a crisis. To use your analogy, he just throws gasoline on every burning issue.


11 posted on 12/27/2012 7:42:43 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: LibWhacker

Someone should just nuke those uninhabited islands and put this stupidity to an end.


12 posted on 12/27/2012 7:45:33 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: LibWhacker

The rocks themselves are trivial, but they are not fighting over the rocks. They are fighting over the water around the rocks.


13 posted on 12/27/2012 8:04:31 AM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: LibWhacker

China against Japan...HA!....One word...GODZILLA!


14 posted on 12/27/2012 8:07:38 AM PST by baddog 219
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To: Vince Ferrer

...and the resources under it.


15 posted on 12/27/2012 8:56:05 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: LibWhacker

Oh no worry, the US won’t be part of it, Obama will kiss butt and let our greatest allie fend for themselves.


16 posted on 12/27/2012 8:57:15 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: LibWhacker

China has nukes and the political will to use them. Since our current regime would never respond in kind defending an ally, there would be little risk in it for them.


17 posted on 12/27/2012 9:00:21 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Williams

So far the only cities they can reach are west coast bastions of liberalism, their natural allies.


18 posted on 12/27/2012 9:08:06 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: JimRed

My spook friends say that Japan HAS NUKES. They are assembling stockpiled components as we speak.

They are sometimes irrational, but they are NOT stupid.

I have not war gamed this conflict, but the Japanese Navy and AF will play havoc with the Chicoms. However, the Chicoms will be able to nuke Japan using missiles at will.

Who is ready for fallout?


19 posted on 12/27/2012 11:06:58 AM PST by darth
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To: JimRed

If the Chicoms can put a capsule into orbit, they can loft big nukes anywhere on the planet.

I guess EMP is a worry.


20 posted on 12/27/2012 11:09:19 AM PST by darth
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To: Buckeye McFrog

all Japan must do is use a few subs to sink all the container ships leaving China and their economy will fold up in short order. Wal-Mart will close as well. obama will do squat—he dare not offend his Chinese masters. A war against Japan will get popular support from China’s peasant masses— but it could go badly—and in nukes are used—Japan will fold. Look to see Russia stick her nose into this mess, along with India. The USA will be neutral—lead from behind—UN letter writer. What ever help we give Japan will be token support only. War could go into a North/South Korea conflict as well.


21 posted on 12/27/2012 12:33:25 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: X-spurt
The last thing they want is for none of us idiots to buy their cheap adultrated crap which will cause massive unemployment in China and could easily cause an internal revolt.

I think this has always been our plan.

22 posted on 12/27/2012 12:34:05 PM PST by Getsmart64
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To: ClearCase_guy
But, of course, these things would never happen.

Not unless you believe the supposed DHS mole who was interviewed and published in the Canadian Free Press...

23 posted on 12/27/2012 12:38:20 PM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: Getsmart64

Had the last 4 years been anything other than an africanized government, I would agree. Although it may have been someone with more brains who previously orchestrated the Chinamen into the corner.


24 posted on 12/27/2012 12:50:37 PM PST by X-spurt (Republic of Texas)
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To: trebb

I saw that when it was posted here (it was quickly pulled). Very disturbing.


25 posted on 12/27/2012 1:14:57 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Republicans have made themselves useless, toothless, and clueless.)
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To: darth
Hasn't Japan had nukes for years? They're ‘unassembled’ - so technically they're not quite nukes...just a guess.
26 posted on 01/03/2013 8:23:43 AM PST by GOPJ (It's not possible to be a Progressive and not be a hypocrite. Freeper TigersEye.)
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To: GOPJ

Japanese pols are openly talking about their nukes now.

War would be irrational and destructive. I wonder if their national penchant for suicide goes that far?


27 posted on 01/04/2013 6:40:47 AM PST by darth
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