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Philadelphia Mayor Calls NRA's Armed School Guard Plan a 'Dumb-Ass Idea'
allmediany.com ^ | December 27, 2012 | Alex Mangini

Posted on 12/27/2012 7:21:15 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe

Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter became the latest politician to speak out against the National Rifle Association’s proposal to put armed guards in every American school to dissuade incidents such as the horrific shooting massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., joining New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg in his Mayors Against Illegal Guns initiative.

Nutter, a staunch advocate of gun control, called the idea proposed by NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre a “dumb-ass idea.”

Nutter, a Democrat, was speaking about a gunman who shot and killed two firefighters in Webster, N.Y., Monday after they arrived at a house fire.

“We need to ban assault weapons. We need to ban the high-capacity clips and magazines. We need serious background information system upgrade," the Democrat said Wednesday.

“I guess out of last week’s bizarre press statement—it wasn’t a press conference—I guess that Mr. [Wayne] LaPierre would say that firefighters need to have armed guards go with them. I think it just shows that that was a completely dumb-ass idea from the start,” he then told MSNBC. “The American public has really had enough and that we’re not going to allow what has happened in the past to go on.”

“People need to demand a plan, and cities all across America certainly need to join this fight,” he said.


TOPICS: US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: banglist; filthydelphia; guncontrol; nra; nutter; philaduhfia; philly; secondamendment
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1 posted on 12/27/2012 7:21:21 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
We need to ban the high-capacity clips and magazines.

All of the press must be affecting them since they're referring to both clips and magazines in the same sentence. Usually they're interchangeable to the uninitiated.

That being said, do they even make charging clips larger than 5 rounds? Most of my 7.62x54R and 8MM load nicely into charging clips for my Mosins and Mausers, respectively, but anything larger than 5 rounds, I have to imagine, would be a little unruly if not downright impossible to use.

2 posted on 12/27/2012 7:23:43 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Let’s get rid of all the metal detectors and security guards by the doors of the congressional and senatorial offices then. There’s no need for them, and they’re a dumbass idea anyway.


3 posted on 12/27/2012 7:24:09 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706

5,000 NYC Police School Safety Agents with authority to use deadly force have been deployed in NYC Public Schools for 20 years.


4 posted on 12/27/2012 7:25:54 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

It makes more sense than having a nation filled with free-ranging crazies and convicted murderers. But if you want to have the latter, you’re going to need the former.


5 posted on 12/27/2012 7:26:01 AM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Does Mayor Nutter ever use armed guards, including police officers? May his hypocrisy come back on his own head.


6 posted on 12/27/2012 7:27:42 AM PST by Tax-chick (Peace to people of good will.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Guns bad! - Condom dispensers good!
7 posted on 12/27/2012 7:28:11 AM PST by slumber1 (Don't taze me bro!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Nutter, a Democrat, was speaking about a gunman who shot and killed two firefighters in Webster, N.Y., Monday after they arrived at a house fire.

“We need to ban assault weapons. We need to ban the high-capacity clips and magazines. We need serious background information system upgrade," the Democrat said Wednesday.

The sniper in Webster, NY was a convicted killer. He still got a gun. Nothing Nutter bleats about would have made a bit of difference. Typical for gun-grabbers.

8 posted on 12/27/2012 7:28:34 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Has anyone yet called this buffoon a “Nutter”?


9 posted on 12/27/2012 7:31:13 AM PST by Postman (........................................................I'm thinking! I'm thinking!!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The filthy hypocritical PIGS of the elite political and Hollyweird class have their armed body guards, but it’s a “dumbass” idea for the kids to be defended with arms.

Here is the motto of these filthy, elitist, hypocritical PIGS...

“Armed security for me and mine,
Gun-Free Zones for thee and thine.”

Repeat it often to the “unwashed masses”.

They might get it.


10 posted on 12/27/2012 7:33:22 AM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

2006
http://www.securityinfowatch.com/press_release/10560496/coming-soon-a-more-secure-city-hall-for-philadelphia


11 posted on 12/27/2012 7:39:40 AM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Nutter’s nutty solution:

More ‘Gun Free Zone’ signs.

[/s]


12 posted on 12/27/2012 7:43:51 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Wonder how many armed guards are in Mayor Nutter’s office?


13 posted on 12/27/2012 7:47:09 AM PST by HarleyD
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Sidwell Friends has more armed guards than a FOB in Af/Pak. All I can say for this sterling example of “our elite” is he should thank god for the “paycheck conservatives” who comprise his false opposition, otherwise he would be lucky to get a job as a squeegy man.


14 posted on 12/27/2012 7:48:48 AM PST by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

It is a dumb ass idea for about 95% of schools in America. The fact is that the number of mass shootings in schools is such a miniscule fraction of a percent that you can never effectively eliminate them because we’re already left with the random. Other than that there’s the gang violence which is completely separate.

Eliminate the gun free zones and call it good. Make the potential killers roll the dice on whether they’ll face opposition.


15 posted on 12/27/2012 7:50:04 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

How about in response to the Rochester shooting we discuss executing people who beat their grandmother to death with a hammer?

Nutter is just another Philly moron made mayor. I remember when Mayor Wilson Goode’s response to the MOVE movement was to bomb their row home and burn down over 70 homes in a West Philly neighborhood. There simply has not been a decent mayor of Philadelphia since Rizzo.

Born and raised in the suburbs of Philly we fled the Northeast for Northwest GA 3 years ago. Best move of my life.


16 posted on 12/27/2012 7:52:17 AM PST by EagleInGA
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To: Tailgunner Joe

As if a liberal politician doesn’t epitomize the term “dumb ass.”

No education - check.
No brain - check.
No morals - check.
No business being in any profession other than ditch digging - check.
Successful Democrat politician - check.


17 posted on 12/27/2012 7:55:15 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Tailgunner Joe

As if a liberal politician doesn’t epitomize the term “dumb ass.”

No education - check.
No brain - check.
No morals - check.
No business being in any profession other than ditch digging - check.
Successful Democrat politician - check.


18 posted on 12/27/2012 7:56:29 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: rarestia

The standard clip for a SKS is 10 rounds.

The clips for chargeing M16s mags are 10 rounds.


19 posted on 12/27/2012 7:58:03 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: Tailgunner Joe; All

Mayor Nutter. We supposed to take serious anything a Nutter says..LOL


20 posted on 12/27/2012 8:00:20 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (Fiscal Conservatives are Neither)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Nutter, a staunch advocate of gun control, called the idea proposed by NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre a “dumb-ass idea.”

Ok, I'll play along Nutter - and I think the name fits, but lets just see... I suppose if armed guards at our schools is a "dumb-ass idea" then you have one that is much better, right?

Although before you put your foot in your mouth (again) publicly, lets just take "gun free zones" off the table. Don't even bother putting that idea forward. You see, that idea has been tried, and has utterly failed. Every mass shooting event in the US in the last 20 years has been in an allegedly "gun free zone" that in-fact proved not to be so "gun free." So if you put forth the idea of continuing the "gun free zone" idiocy at schools - well now, that is demonstrably a dumb-ass idea since it has led to dozens of deaths. You can't be that stupid or evil, can you?

Oh, and you do realize your own blatant hypocrisy - opposing the idea of armed guards to protect our children while enjoying the protection of armed guards for yourself and your family. No-one will take you seriously (maybe ever) but at least until you eschew your own armed security. After all, if it is allegedly good enough for our children, then it must be good enough for you and your family.

“We need to ban assault weapons. We need to ban the high-capacity clips and magazines. We need serious background information system upgrade," the Democrat said Wednesday.

Nutter, nut-job, whack-job... Whatever your name is, do you understand history? Or is that just some class you cut in High School? Every place that has enacted strict firearms regulation up to and including outright bans on firearms has seen a sharp increase in violent crime - include firearms related crimes. Do you like crime? Do you like making defenseless victims out of your constituents?

What is an "assault weapon" anyway? A rifle or handgun with a few features? Guess what, that is a meaningless media meme made up to scare the public. We've tried banning "assault weapons" for 10 years - made no statistical difference in crime or firearms crime. None. So what you're proposing is demonstrably a worthless "solution" to the perceived issue. You're not very good at your job, are you? Proposing solutions you know to be ineffective. Apparently what you need is an ignorance ban in your office.

Oh, and a magazine capacity limit is equally useless. You see, if you create large pools of defenseless potential victims with your "gun free zones" then an assailant has all the time in the world to change magazines repeatedly and keep shooting.

Nutter, you're either ignorant of the facts or maybe evil and/or insane yourself - wanting more victims. Or maybe you're just using people like cattle to advance a political agenda - which in my book puts you right back in the evil & insane bucket.

21 posted on 12/27/2012 8:01:02 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: cripplecreek

TOTAL NUMBER OF PUBLIC SCHOOLS (2009-2010 data): 98,817
Elementary: 67,140
Secondary: 24,651
Combined: 5,730
Other: 1,296

Source: Fast Facts/National Center for Education Statistics
22 posted on 12/27/2012 8:01:48 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Just what you would expect from a “nutter”.


23 posted on 12/27/2012 8:04:48 AM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

a 'Dumb-Ass Idea'??

Whereas disarming law-abiding citizens is a great idea? < / sarcasm >

24 posted on 12/27/2012 8:07:16 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The mayor’s name is fitting and appropriate.

NUFF SAID.


25 posted on 12/27/2012 8:08:19 AM PST by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: TomGuy

In my county there are a total of 30 school buildings associated with 13 districts and 15 schools. So far no shootings in their entire histories.

public 13 districts

Catholic 6 schools

Christian 3 schools

Charter 3 schools

Other private 3 schools


26 posted on 12/27/2012 8:11:47 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: riverrunner

Got a link? I’m just curious to see what they look like. I’ve had a bugger of a time getting 5 rounds of 8mm into my Mauser. I’d imagine the newer stripper clips are plastic?


27 posted on 12/27/2012 8:14:05 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: cripplecreek
Eliminate the gun free zones and call it good. Make the potential killers roll the dice on whether they’ll face opposition.

I agree with this wholeheartedly. These "gun free zones" really piss me off. They should just be honest and call them "resistance free zones for criminals and disgruntled ex-employees"....sheesh.

Also, as far as the armed guards at schools, I think it should be something like the air marshal program (except not federalized) where the armed guard "fits in" like any of the teachers/administrators. Heck, even give them a "job" to help keep the cover. Not knowing whether there is a marshal at the school would be a nice little deterrent to someone like Lanza.
28 posted on 12/27/2012 8:14:38 AM PST by copaliscrossing (Progressives are Socialists)
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To: rarestia

The WW2 M1 Garand rifle uses an 8-round double stack clip.


29 posted on 12/27/2012 8:16:11 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize - Voltaire)
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To: Da Coyote

“No business being in any profession other than ditch digging - check.”
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Having grown up on the farm and done some ditch digging I can tell you that in reality it takes some degree of intelligence to do a proper job of ditch digging. I think it is definitely beyond the capability of the average liberal. Let’s face it, if he had a brain he wouldn’t be a liberal.

You might be able to teach one to dig a post hole but placing three in a straight line at proper spacing would be way too much for a liberal.


30 posted on 12/27/2012 8:20:06 AM PST by RipSawyer (I was born on Earth, what planet is this?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Sorry Nutter, but thinking you are safe in a victim disarmament zone is pretty much the pinnacle of dumb-assesness.

The NRA may be off base on this one. I say “may”, because we don’t really have any particulars yet on what their program will entail. They mentioned armed guards, but are these “guards” just trained staff members with carry permits?

I would be 100% against putting a TSA styled organization in charge of school security. That is the WRONG way to do this.

I guess we’ll see once they have actual details up. Everything else is speculation at this point.


31 posted on 12/27/2012 8:20:20 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: copaliscrossing

I personally think janitors and maintenance men would make ideal security personnel. They know their way around and tend to be pretty invisible when they choose to be.


32 posted on 12/27/2012 8:28:03 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

It sounds horrible, but I can’t help but wonder if these socialists are so violently opposed to protecting children because they secretly hope for another massacre or two to further their cause.

They don’t object to men with guns protecting their own lives...but they seem to put schoolchildren on the sacrificial altar with a neon “gun free zone” sign overhead to attract psychos far and wide.

At what point are parents who knowingly send their children into a zone of acknowledged danger and vulnerability, guilty of neglect?


33 posted on 12/27/2012 8:30:00 AM PST by fattigermaster
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To: cripplecreek

Don’t count out IT staff, coaches, etc...


34 posted on 12/27/2012 8:30:35 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: cripplecreek
I personally think janitors and maintenance men would make ideal security personnel. They know their way around and tend to be pretty invisible when they choose to be.

Yes! I think there are a lot of current school district employees that would fit the bill whether it be janitors or perhaps a counselor or even a principal/vice principal. Just make sure they have adequate training and an extensive background check. I would go a step further and require psychological testing every so often to be sure a screw hasn't come loose.

If you view this idea through the lens of "paid volunteer" athletic coaches, this makes even more sense. A lot of these athletic coaches are also teachers but take on the additional responsibility and are paid accordingly.
35 posted on 12/27/2012 8:38:08 AM PST by copaliscrossing (Progressives are Socialists)
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To: Dead Corpse

The track coach could put that “starter” pistol to good use.


36 posted on 12/27/2012 8:43:08 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe; All
So my obvious question and statement would be:

What is worse?

Having a dumb-ass idea...

or

Being a stupid-ass politician?

Your comments are welcome, and encouraged.

37 posted on 12/27/2012 9:07:16 AM PST by SERE_DOC ( “The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.” TJ.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

says the man running the city with one of the worst crime rates in the country due to being a “gun-free” zone. Oh, and if he thinks that guns are evil, then he should disarm his body guards.


38 posted on 12/27/2012 9:08:56 AM PST by FutureRocketMan (Santorum 2016)
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To: rarestia

They are steel and brass,

Just do a google search for M16 stripper clips or SKS stripper clips.

I don’t have trouble using clips in my mil spec bolt guns.


39 posted on 12/27/2012 9:14:05 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: riverrunner

I have an ammo can full of brass stripper clips for Mausers, so I know what you’re talking about. I figured more modern variations might be a hard plastic.


40 posted on 12/27/2012 9:19:57 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: SERE_DOC

What is worse? Having a dumb-ass idea...or Being a stupid-ass politician?
My answer would be why not both in one package.
My nomination for No. 1, would be: Raúl M. Grijalva, 3rd District of Arizona.
Never having done a legitimate days work and only living on the dole since arriving in the States!
There are many others that prove we need Term Limits!


41 posted on 12/27/2012 9:20:44 AM PST by GOYAKLA (Waiting for the Golden Screw to be removed from Obama's navel!)
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To: rarestia

Got a link? I’m just curious to see what they look like. I’ve had a bugger of a time getting 5 rounds of 8mm into my Mauser. I’d imagine the newer stripper clips are plastic?

You asked to see what they looked like I told you how to find out.


42 posted on 12/27/2012 9:39:06 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: Tailgunner Joe

We need to ban dumb-ass people. Period.


43 posted on 12/27/2012 9:42:35 AM PST by Osage Orange ( Liberalism, ideas so good they have to be mandatory.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

This is the nutter who has watched black racist gangs attack and beat up whites while claiming the attacks had nothing to do with race.

Let’s all listen to him. /s/


44 posted on 12/27/2012 9:45:48 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Philadelphia Mayor Calls NRA's Armed School Guard Plan a 'Dumb-Ass Idea'

LMBO!!
This from the same guy who thinks it's a brilliant idea to install condom dispensers in all the schools. (By the way, I wonder who got that contract and how much it was overpriced, wink wink...?)

45 posted on 12/27/2012 9:48:20 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: dirtboy
The sniper in Webster, NY was a convicted killer. He still got a gun. Nothing Nutter bleats about would have made a bit of difference. Typical for gun-grabbers

To the last person that suggested that there should be laws making it illegal to own assault weapons I simply responded: "I have a better idea - why don't we just make it illegal to kill people." The look I got from her was priceless.

46 posted on 12/27/2012 10:05:57 AM PST by Go Gordon (It's barack hussein obama - because he doesn't believe in capitalism.)
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To: rarestia

The Garand clip is 8 rounds.


47 posted on 12/27/2012 10:12:20 AM PST by crusadersoldier
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To: Tailgunner Joe

During the Los Angeles riots, firefighters had to have police escorts. It was why the rest of the city had almost no police protection.


48 posted on 12/27/2012 11:13:29 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Tailgunner Joe
We need serious background information system upgrade...

Fine, let's start with the _resident. You know, the guy with control of the most deadly assault weapons of all time. They're called nuclear weapons.

49 posted on 12/27/2012 11:19:01 AM PST by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: dirtboy

IIRC, felons can vote in NY...I wonder how he voted?


50 posted on 12/27/2012 11:27:52 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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