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Man pulls gun over Obama bumper sticker dispute
YahooNews & Various ABC News Locals ^ | 12/27/12 | Evening News

Posted on 12/27/2012 3:21:34 PM PST by Ron H.

News video about armed altercation between Obama supporter and anti-Obama veteran opposer.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: banglist; gun; obama; tx
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Don't ask me to serve on the mans jury - I'd likely acquit over extenuating circumstances.
1 posted on 12/27/2012 3:21:43 PM PST by Ron H.
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To: Ron H.

Not guilty.


2 posted on 12/27/2012 3:24:29 PM PST by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: Pontiac

For Later


3 posted on 12/27/2012 3:26:12 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Ron H.

Reporting is one-sided as could be. Surprise, surprise.


4 posted on 12/27/2012 3:27:02 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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Bookmarking.


5 posted on 12/27/2012 3:27:02 PM PST by RandallFlagg ("Liberalism is about as progressive as CANCER" -Alfonzo Rachel)
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To: Ron H.
Sounds like the older guy (the one with the anti-Obama bumper sticker) was accosted by a "veteran", who loves The Messiah, who he sees as "Our Lord and Savior"....

Free Speech ONLY applies to pro-Liberal speech (remember the anti-Bush stickers that NO ONE was "offended" by?)

6 posted on 12/27/2012 3:27:36 PM PST by traditional1 (Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: Ron H.

I think he is innocent and should win a Congressional Medal of Honor and a Nobel Peace Prize.


7 posted on 12/27/2012 3:29:34 PM PST by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: Ron H.

Why is it that only Obamaloons have the right to be offended (by the truth)? I am offended that Obama even exists.


8 posted on 12/27/2012 3:30:07 PM PST by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: traditional1

Remember, the “Messiah” told his followers to “get in their faces”


9 posted on 12/27/2012 3:38:18 PM PST by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: traditional1
Sounds like the older guy (the one with the anti-Obama bumper sticker) was accosted by a "veteran", who loves The Messiah, who he sees as "Our Lord and Savior"....

No, the younger guy in the video had the anti-obama sticker. The older guy objected, so the younger guy pulled his gun, made the old guy kneel, and held his gun to the old guy's head.

10 posted on 12/27/2012 3:38:39 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Ron H.

Heating up fast. There’s a storm coming..


11 posted on 12/27/2012 3:44:52 PM PST by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: Ron H.

Reporterette sez...

“...and possibly...saved the man’s life.”

Sounds like she was disappointed.


12 posted on 12/27/2012 3:47:15 PM PST by moovova
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To: Right Wing Assault
...the younger guy in the video had the anti-obama sticker. The older guy objected, so the younger guy pulled his gun, made the old guy kneel, and held his gun to the old guy's head.

LMBO!!!
Did he click an empty chamber or two, just to see if the Ubamascum moocher would wet his pants?

13 posted on 12/27/2012 3:49:38 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Ron H.

“... police got there just in time, and possibly saving the man’s life.”

If “the man” was going to die, he would already have been dead. The fellow with the bumper sticker was simply defending himself.

Anybody know what the bumper sticker said. Had to strike close to home, or the chump wouldn’t have reacted as he did.


14 posted on 12/27/2012 3:54:41 PM PST by RobinOfKingston (Democrats--the party of Evil. Republicans--the party of Stupid.)
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To: Ron H.

Bookmarked...


15 posted on 12/27/2012 4:18:49 PM PST by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: SueRae
Heating up fast. There’s a storm coming..

I happen to believe the very same thing. Makes me think, I need to drop by my local sporting goods store and get some more stock for my pea shooters.

16 posted on 12/27/2012 4:28:23 PM PST by Ron H. (Democrats and Republicans - not a dimes worth of difference anymore!)
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To: Ron H.

This is something I will never understand. The war over bumper stickers. I cannot make myself care about other people’s bumper stickers. My sister had a President Obama sticker. My uncle had a Romney sticker. We went to lunch. They parked next to each other. We laughed. It is no one’s business whose bumper sticker one wants to display. Why would anyone care?? And to pull a gun? A gun???


17 posted on 12/27/2012 4:29:22 PM PST by DallasSun
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To: RobinOfKingston
The fellow with the bumper sticker was simply defending himself.

Doesn't matter if the old guy started it. Self defense with threat of lethal force only works if you are acting in response to an immediate danger of serious bodily harm or death. You can't bring a gun to a shouting match. Force must match force. Else the defender becomes the aggressor in the eyes of the law. The young fella is likely in for some trouble.

18 posted on 12/27/2012 4:37:42 PM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Ron H.

The obamnite was a very, very lucky man.
IF I feel that mine needs to comes out, there will be no warning. I’m using it....the whole magazine load.
But then again, I don’t put bumper stickers on my car and I stay pretty much out of trouble’s way as much as I can.


19 posted on 12/27/2012 4:39:46 PM PST by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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To: DallasSun
This is something I will never understand. The war over bumper stickers. ....

Let me point out the obvious salient point here: it is a FREE speech issue and not a bumper sticker issue.

However let me say as an aside that freedom of speech is still legal in America I believe. Pulling a gun on the apparently deranged Obama claptrap old man was not necessarily the best way to express that right (even though I understand the younger man completely) but I wasn't there and don't know anymore than anyone else here what actually transpired. But I too just might know how the armed vet might feel, I too have been verbally assaulted by a whacked out nut-job Obama knee padder and I was awfully tempted to do what the young veteran did.

20 posted on 12/27/2012 5:05:17 PM PST by Ron H. (Democrats and Republicans - not a dimes worth of difference anymore!)
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To: Ron H.

Musta been a helluv a bumper sticker. I wonder which one it was.


21 posted on 12/27/2012 5:06:45 PM PST by FrdmLvr (culture, language, borders)
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To: Ron H.

Not guilty


22 posted on 12/27/2012 5:06:45 PM PST by bmwcyle (We have gone over the cliff and we are about to hit the bottom)
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To: Ron H.

We have our share of whacked out nut jobs ourselves.


23 posted on 12/27/2012 5:08:14 PM PST by DallasSun
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To: Ron H.

But again, why say Anything to someone about their bumper sticker? It is no one’s business. Sorry to belabour the point. It just ticks me off.


24 posted on 12/27/2012 5:11:14 PM PST by DallasSun
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To: Ron H.

More information:

http://iowa.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=811&tid=161212909&mid=161212909&sid=940&style=2

Albuquerque police said Chris Williams was approached by Edward Rodriguez in a restaurant parking lot on Friday.

Rodriguez, a (Vietnam) veteran, was upset with the content of Williams’s bumper sticker which claimed that America made a big mistake re-electing President Barack Obama. Rodriguez told police that he wasn’t interested in discussing politics and told Williams, “People like you should be shot,” according to police.

After a brief shoving match, police said Williams drew a .380 pistol and forced Rodriguez to the ground. Williams claimed he was restraining Rodriguez until the police arrived.

According to the criminal complaint, Williams said he feared for his life because he believed Rodriguez had a knife and access to a gun. However police said they found no weapons in the area other than Williams’.


25 posted on 12/27/2012 5:14:29 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Pennies and Nickels will NO LONGER be Minted as of 1/1/13 - Tim Geithner, US Treasury Sect)
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To: FreedomPoster
I picked up the one-sided reporting too. Another Travon Martin situation, I do believe.
26 posted on 12/27/2012 5:18:08 PM PST by 1lawlady (To G-d be the glory. Great things He has done!)
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To: Springfield Reformer

Would that be “force must match force” like with Martin/Zimmerman?

I understand, on a certain level, what you are saying. It is possible to kill someone with only bare hands. Basically, what the old guy did was stop the argument.

I would love to sit on this jury.


27 posted on 12/27/2012 5:25:03 PM PST by RobinOfKingston (Democrats--the party of Evil. Republicans--the party of Stupid.)
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To: Springfield Reformer

“Force must match force.”

So your saying that a 90 year old granny cant pull her colt
python on an unarmed 200 pound obama supporter if she is
being threatened by him?


28 posted on 12/27/2012 5:26:10 PM PST by Slambat (The right to keep and bear arms. Anything one man can carry, drive or pull.)
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To: traditional1

They were both military veterans.


29 posted on 12/27/2012 5:29:47 PM PST by DallasSun
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To: Ron H.

I’m a veteran, carry a weapon, and have the bumper sticker “FUBO” proudly displayed upon my rear bumper. I’m not going to start any altercation but if someone comes at me I am going to do what I need to do to defend myself.


30 posted on 12/27/2012 5:30:13 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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>> Rodriguez ... told Williams, “People like you should be shot,” according to police.

>> police said Williams drew a .380 pistol and forced Rodriguez to the ground.

Seems like the Obama bootlicker got rightfully spanked.

Rodriguez guilty.
Williams not guilty.

31 posted on 12/27/2012 5:43:57 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: DallasSun
"They were both military veterans"

Yeah; me, too.

What's your point?

32 posted on 12/27/2012 5:49:33 PM PST by traditional1 (Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: traditional1

Some were saying one was a veteran. My point was..is ...that they were both veterans. My husband is a veteran also. And..thank you for your service.


33 posted on 12/27/2012 5:51:20 PM PST by DallasSun
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To: Ron H.

The question is, did he have a legal permit?


34 posted on 12/27/2012 5:52:05 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda¬óDivide and conquer. FREEDOM OR FREE STUFF- YOU GET ONE CHOICE, CHOOSE WISELY)
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To: DallasSun

He pistol was used in self-defense to stop the ongoing assault by the man who was offended by the bumper sticker. The pistol appears to have been effective in bringing the unprovoked assault to a sudden end.


35 posted on 12/27/2012 6:07:20 PM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

Pistols tend to do that, don’t they??


36 posted on 12/27/2012 6:16:23 PM PST by DallasSun
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To: TribalPrincess2U
The question is, did he have a legal permit?

At least in your mind it would appear. I wasn't addressing the gun issue but rather the speech issue. Duhh?!!

37 posted on 12/27/2012 6:27:15 PM PST by Ron H. (Democrats and Republicans - not a dimes worth of difference anymore!)
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To: DallasSun

No, just the person wielding the pistol.


38 posted on 12/27/2012 6:37:54 PM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: TribalPrincess2U

“The question is, did he have a legal permit?

The question SHOULD be :”Why isn’t the Second Amendment recognized as the ONLY permit needed?”

All licensing of arms is an infringement.


39 posted on 12/27/2012 6:47:32 PM PST by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: Ron H.

This is why you should not get out of jury duty. Your countrymen need you.


40 posted on 12/27/2012 6:51:13 PM PST by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: WhiskeyX

When the initial aggressor said to the other that “people like you should be shot..” he was making a threat.
I would acquit the bumper sticker owner .


41 posted on 12/27/2012 6:51:54 PM PST by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: hoosierham

Yes, we are in agreement. The problem comes in where the state prosecutor wants to quible over the question of whether or not Williams was obligated to see Rodriguez actually threatening Williams with a firearm, knifee, or other deadly weapon. The problem with that limitation upon Williams’ right to self defense is that Williams had no way of knowing whether or not Rodriguez was unarmed and/or Rodriguez was setting Williams up for an attack by associates approaching Willimas from behind. By the time any of this could be determined by Williams, he could already have been killedd or suffered grievous bodily harm. Holding the immediate assailant at gunpoint allowed Williams to stop that assault and prepare for any further moves by Rodriquez and/or any accomplices Rodrriguez could have had.


42 posted on 12/27/2012 7:02:46 PM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: stevio
This is why you should not get out of jury duty. Your countrymen need you.

I agree. But when the defense lawyer learns that I'm very pro 2nd Amendment or anti-criminal I don't even get close to making onto the jury. Darn my luck.

43 posted on 12/27/2012 7:05:49 PM PST by Ron H. (Democrats and Republicans - not a dimes worth of difference anymore!)
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To: hoosierham
The question SHOULD be :”Why isn’t the Second Amendment recognized as the ONLY permit needed?” All licensing of arms is an infringement.

Absolutely my FRiend. Repeal the 1934 NFA and everything since. "shall not be infringed" means just that. What other right requires a license? I don't need to register or pay a special tax to pray or attend church or to voice my opinion.

If this BS continues, though, expect that may just happen.

44 posted on 12/27/2012 7:07:28 PM PST by SolidRedState (I used to think bizarro world was a fiction.)
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To: traditional1

No, the younger guy is the one with the anti-Obama sticker, who was approached by the older guy.


45 posted on 12/27/2012 7:25:25 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: FrdmLvr
Musta been a helluv a bumper sticker. I wonder which one it was.

Perhaps it was this one...

(It looks great on my rear window!)

46 posted on 12/27/2012 7:38:43 PM PST by mcmuffin ("236 Years- Only In America")
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To: Ron H.
Oh, sheesh. Another fool who thinks he has a constitutional right to not be offended.
47 posted on 12/27/2012 7:42:18 PM PST by ru4liberty
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To: Springfield Reformer
Self defense with threat of lethal force only works if you are acting in response to an immediate danger of serious bodily harm or death. You can't bring a gun to a shouting match. Force must match force.

Unless you're a white hispanic being pummeled by an even more protected minority.

48 posted on 12/27/2012 9:54:56 PM PST by Dr.Deth
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To: TribalPrincess2U
The question is, did he have a legal permit?

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

49 posted on 12/27/2012 9:58:15 PM PST by Dr.Deth
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To: Ron H.
your bumper sticker offends me.
F*** Off
50 posted on 12/27/2012 10:00:09 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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