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Poll: Number of Republicans hopeful about the future hits 21st-century low
Hotair ^ | 12/27/2012 | AllahPundit

Posted on 12/27/2012 3:44:43 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Saw this the other day and can't stop thinking about it. It makes all the sense in the world that conservatives would be despondent after Obama's re-election. But more despondent than liberals were after the Bushitler's re-election?

A lot more, as it turns out:

Why are the numbers so much worse for Republicans now than they were for Democrats in 2004? It can’t be because the GOP thinks Obama’s done irreversible damage to the U.S.; Bush-hating liberals thought the same about Dubya. Besides, we’ve got a deep bench for 2016. Is it a demographic thing, with Republicans fearing that they’ll never (or seldom) enjoy power again?

Update: An obvious possibility: It's not just politics that’s got Republicans down. Democrats in 2004 could console themselves with the fact that the economy was doing fine and their jobs were secure. Not so now.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: optimism; pessimism; republicans

1 posted on 12/27/2012 3:44:47 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I have a message for you. And you’re not going to like it.

-Cockroach Zombie, ‘Prince of Darkness’


2 posted on 12/27/2012 3:48:44 PM PST by Tzimisce (What do you do when every every branch of the government is corrupt and aligned against you?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Maybe it’s because the blog commentators we supposedly have on our side are Manchurian douches who are trying to make the Republican Party a lite version of the Democratic Party.


3 posted on 12/27/2012 3:53:50 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: SeekAndFind
Just the sheer, massive amount of damage O is going to be able to do in the next four years, continuing failed, disastrous policies of the past four years.

That and the fact that GHWB was a RINO, GWB was a worse RINO, McCain was a worse RINO and Romney was an even worse RINO.

Hard for things to look up when we consider the next pitiful RINO the GOP will foist off on us!

$25 trillllllllllllion dollars in debt. Roll that off your tongue slowly and it'll make you puke.

My poor grandkids. My wife and I have worked for 40 years each to ensure that they inherit a better country than we did. They may well inherit a country in absolute, total chaos.

Pity the poor children.

4 posted on 12/27/2012 3:56:31 PM PST by HeartlandOfAmerica
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To: SeekAndFind

One wonders what sort of opinions about the future were registered in polls - if, in fact, there were any - in the opening years of Lenin’s revolution.

I’m guessing thoughts of those with even so much as two gray cells to rub together were fairly bleak.

Fortunately for public opinion - at least as far as Obama is concerned - the number of Americans with two gray cells to rub together in the nation’s ethnic population, and among American academics, entertainers, and media figures, is virtually nil.


5 posted on 12/27/2012 4:02:51 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica

And yet I wonder how many “conservatives”, including many here, dutifully line u to vote for those RINOs and then come here to complain. I bet they will STILL do it in 2016.

We are our own worst enemy.


6 posted on 12/27/2012 4:03:20 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica

Don’t worry. Chris Christie will be there for us in four years.


7 posted on 12/27/2012 4:07:52 PM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: SeekAndFind

In 2004 the Feds weren’t borrowing $1.06 for every dollar in tax revenues. Democrats worry that entitlements may not go up as fast as they planned. Pubs worry (correctly) that the country is rapicly heading to bankruptcy.


8 posted on 12/27/2012 4:16:33 PM PST by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: SeekAndFind

I can speak for myself about why I think we’re more despondent. The fact that Bush got re-elected was par for the course, more of the same. The Dems weren’t facing any sea change that seemed insurmountable.

With Obama’s first re-election, we had plenty of reasons to write it off as a fluke (bad Rep. candidate, anger against Bush, anti-war sentiment, the economic crash, first black candidate, etc). Now that he’s re-elected, most of those excuses have been shredded, and we are left facing a real gamechanger. There’s no disputing any more that America IS stupid enough to elect an open communist as President.

They didn’t vote while blinded by sentiment, or out of ignorance, and they weren’t voting against Republicans rather than for Obama. They know what he is, and that is what they really wanted. That is a huge development, and a very disconcerting one.


9 posted on 12/27/2012 4:19:29 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica

My poor grandkids.

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Yes, it’s thinking about my grandchildren that breaks my heart. Worst of all, they will never know what a unique and God-inspired country this once was. They will accept their chains without question.


10 posted on 12/27/2012 4:20:39 PM PST by Bigg Red (Sorry, Mr. Franklin, I guess we couldn't keep it.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Bush ended the GOP when he invaded Iraq. The left became motivated and organized.


11 posted on 12/27/2012 4:20:51 PM PST by omega4179 (Kenian retro ad infernum)
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To: Pollster1

Don’t worry. Chris Christie will be there for us in four years.

***
As head of which new Obamugabe agency?

Dear Leader isn’t going anywhere in 4 years. We need to get used to it.


12 posted on 12/27/2012 4:22:56 PM PST by Bigg Red (Sorry, Mr. Franklin, I guess we couldn't keep it.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Why are the numbers so much worse for Republicans now than they were for Democrats in 2004?

Because the Republican Party refuses to fight, they aren't even in the game, they are completely useless to this country.

The Democrats play to win and they play for keeps while the Republicans are sitting on the sidelines wondering if the color of the white chalk on the field clashes with the green grass.

13 posted on 12/27/2012 4:33:11 PM PST by RJL (There's no greed like the greed of a liberal politician buying votes with your money.)
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To: SeekAndFind

yeah the dems will get disenfranchised at some point - they always do.

Then we yo yo back to Rinos who will appear to fix something but really don’t.

If the Rep where smart they would start to play like they want to win. The dems cheat, lie, steal, and whatever - I suppose those are the rules - let’s play by those rules.

Stop looking at rhetoric and start looking at results.


14 posted on 12/27/2012 4:47:09 PM PST by mike_9958
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To: Bigg Red
Dear Leader isn’t going anywhere in 4 years. We need to get used to it.

These will be four more terrible years, and many Americans will suffer because on average we have already consumed more than half of our wealth and savings in the four years of misery we survived to date. In 1794, President George Washington personally led an army of about 13,000 to suppress the Whiskey Rebellion, and nearly the entire army was honored to be led by Washington and completely loyal. He could do that because of his experience and proven high character.

Obama would have to do at least as much to hold power beyond January 20, 2017. Can you imagine (1) Obama actually leading soldiers effectively, or (2) our military following unlawful orders issued by a petty tyrant whom all decent soldiers despise? America may not survive four more years of socialism, but whatever is left where our country used to be will be freed of Obama on schedule. Obama will probably retire with a smug grin and the confidence that we will be unable to recover from the damage inflicted; he is too big a sissy to push his luck.

15 posted on 12/27/2012 4:52:49 PM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Bigg Red

>Dear Leader isn’t going anywhere in 4 years.<

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Those who do not vote for him for a third term are racists.


16 posted on 12/27/2012 5:00:01 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: SeekAndFind

Obama is doing irreversible damage (Obamacare, Sotomayor, Kagan...), but the GOP has no one to blame but themselves.

We can blame Bush for electing Obama in 2008, but 2012 was the culmination of pro-Democrat demographic shifts that were in large part supported by the stupid party (i.e. the GOP).

Whether it was failing to ever do anything about the 1965 Immigration act (which was passed behind a bunch of false promises) which reignited mass immigration on a nation that never wanted it, or actually signing into law the absurd Diversity Visa Lottery in the early 90s, or sabotaging the Jordan Commission’s recommendation in the mid 90s to cut immigration by at least a third (even Clinton initially signaled support for it), the GOP has been almost completely worthless. I say ‘almost’ only because they did stop Bush the Younger’s insane attempts to legalize millions of new Democrats and increase the future flow of Democrats even beyond the current high levels.

But it’s obvious really that mass immigration was always going to favor the Democrats. For every way that Hispanics or Asians are allegedly ‘natural Republicans’, there is a more powerful and real way that they are natural Democrats. This will not change.


17 posted on 12/27/2012 5:24:40 PM PST by Aetius
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To: Pollster1

Your post was surprising and elicited my first spontaneous laugh of the day!


18 posted on 12/27/2012 5:53:08 PM PST by Sicvee (Sicvee)
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To: vbmoneyspender

Agreed.

America can succeed, but we need to root for America.

And we need to make things here. Not spend money buying and supporting China.

The GOP needs to become America’s biggest supporter. Support things made in America.

Buy things made in America.

And STOP sending US jobs abroad. Bring them back.

Now.


19 posted on 12/27/2012 5:56:56 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Sicvee

That was the goal. Sadly, many republicans would say the same thing and mean it seriously.


20 posted on 12/27/2012 6:02:09 PM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Pollster1

Awesome. i’m hoping for free cheeseburgers and large fries.


21 posted on 12/27/2012 6:07:26 PM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: Boogieman

“They didn’t vote while blinded by sentiment, or out of ignorance, and they weren’t voting against Republicans rather than for Obama. They know what he is, and that is what they really wanted. That is a huge development, and a very disconcerting one.”

So explain to us all how Obama was re-elected with multi millions fewer vote this time? The problem was with the Republicans more than it was that everyone was in love with Obama. Face it, conservatism requires intellect, something that’s in short supply in this country today. But the morons on the Right who stayed home because Romney wasn’t pure enough for their vote got FUBO re-elected. Romney was admittedly the shits of a candidate both as to his politics as well as his wooden personality on the stump, but if the “intelligent conservative” sits out the election ( and they did) all of us suffer. The idea of waiting around for the “right candidate” guarantees that the country will go Marxist, and it is!


22 posted on 12/27/2012 6:42:19 PM PST by vette6387
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To: vette6387

“So explain to us all how Obama was re-elected with multi millions fewer vote this time?”

Because he still got more people to vote for him than the other guy. America picked the commie, again, and this time we can’t explain it away so easily. Our country really is that foolish.

You want to focus on some little band of scapegoats, but that’s not on my agenda, so ply your wares elsewhere. If anyone is to blame, politically, for the loss, it’s Romney, since he was the candidate. It’s his job to win, not the people’s job to vote for him.


23 posted on 12/27/2012 7:35:20 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: RJL
The Democrats play to win and they play for keeps while the Republicans are sitting on the sidelines wondering if the color of the white chalk on the field clashes with the green grass.

And they own the propaganda machine know as 'the media'.

24 posted on 12/27/2012 8:28:47 PM PST by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: RJL

“The Democrats play to win and they play for keeps while the Republicans are sitting on the sidelines wondering if the color of the white chalk on the field clashes with the green grass.”

Republicans - 2012 = Whigs - 1852.

It’s no longer a question of when the Pubbies will become irrelevant in American politics. It’s a question of when...


25 posted on 12/27/2012 8:29:33 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: Boogieman

” It’s his job to win, not the people’s job to vote for him.”

True, but at the end of the day you have two candidates from which to choose. Choosing “None of the Above” is BS! You can bitch all you want about neither of the candidates being worthy of the position, but one of them is going to have the seat despite your adverse feelings. So you are a little like a politician who votes “present.” Romney was last on my list, but when you look at him versus Obama it was no contest. To suggest that “opting out” until “your guy is the candidate is just amazingly stupid in my view. That’s the difference between the parties. The RATs usually support their party’s nominee, but the R’s don’t.


26 posted on 12/27/2012 9:24:55 PM PST by vette6387
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To: SeekAndFind

Why SHOULD the Makers be hopeful?


27 posted on 12/28/2012 3:44:52 AM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: Pollster1

I see your points. However-—

1) Dear Leader is going about reshaping the military and driving out the real men. He is also shrinking the military. He may not be able to drive all of the patriots out, but he seems to be weakening the forces.

2) Even if he does not get the degraded military he envisions, he is building up his own quasi-military forces.

3) We live in a different culture than you and I grew up in. The deliberate dumbing down and indoctrination in the schools has produced a vast number of young people who do not know and respect our history and our cultural heritage. In addition, both parties have allowed our society to become infested with illegal aliens and with legal aliens who refuse to assimilate. Who will be there to even understand the destruction, let alone be motivated to rebuild.

I pray I am very, very wrong. And I wish that I shared your confidence in the future.


28 posted on 12/28/2012 6:05:41 AM PST by Bigg Red (Sorry, Mr. Franklin, I guess we couldn't keep it.)
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To: 353FMG

Those who do not vote for him for a third term are racists.

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Everyone will vote for him, except for those of us who are prevented from voting because we are inmates of the re-education camps.


29 posted on 12/28/2012 6:08:29 AM PST by Bigg Red (Sorry, Mr. Franklin, I guess we couldn't keep it.)
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To: vette6387

“True, but at the end of the day you have two candidates from which to choose. Choosing “None of the Above” is BS!”

Ok, great, go out and start a voter turnout drive or something. I don’t know why you’re griping to me about it.

“That’s the difference between the parties. The RATs usually support their party’s nominee, but the R’s don’t.”

Nonsense. Turnout varies with every election, for both parties, based on the same basic principles. If the Republican party or candidate didn’t manage to get the turnout, then it’s because they didn’t apply those principles in their favor.


30 posted on 12/28/2012 6:29:31 AM PST by Boogieman
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