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PRY: North Korea EMP attack could destroy U.S. now
Washington Times ^ | December 19, 2012 | Peter Vincent Pry

Posted on 12/27/2012 8:03:46 PM PST by daniel1212

North Korea now has an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) capable of delivering a nuclear weapon to the United States, as demonstrated by their successful launch and orbiting of a satellite on Dec. 12. Certain poorly informed pundits among the chattering classes reassure us that North Korea is still years away from being able to miniaturize warheads for missile delivery, and from developing sufficiently accurate missiles to pose a serious nuclear threat to the United States. Philip Yun, director of San Francisco’s Ploughshares Fund, a nuclear disarmament group, reportedly said, “The real threat from the launch was an overreaction that would lead to more defense spending on unnecessary systems. The sky is not falling. We shouldn’t be panicked.”

In fact, North Korea is a mortal nuclear threat to the United States— right now...

North Korea has labored for years and starved its people so it could develop an intercontinental missile capable of reaching the United States. Why? Because they have a special kind of nuclear weapon that could destroy the United States with a single blow.

In summer 2004, a delegation of Russian generals warned the Congressional Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) Commission that secrets had leaked to North Korea for a decisive new nuclear weapon — a Super-EMP...

Any nuclear weapon detonated above an altitude of 30 kilometers will generate an electromagnetic pulse that will destroy electronics and could collapse the electric power grid and other critical infrastructures...

A Super-EMP warhead would not weigh much, and could probably be delivered by North Korea’s ICBM. The missile does not have to be accurate, as the EMP field is so large that detonating anywhere over the United States would have catastrophic consequences. The warhead does not even need a re-entry vehicle, as an EMP attack entails detonating the warhead at high-altitude, above the atmosphere.

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OK, it is from the Washington Times, and no one knows if NK has an EMP, or would be foolish enough to attack the US (which increasingly is doing well enough in destroying itself from within) but because states like that attain such potential, the article continues,

Most alarming, we are fast moving to a place where, for the first time in history, failed little states like North Korea and Iran, that cannot even feed their own people, will have power in their hands to blackmail or destroy the largest and most successful societies on Earth. North Korea and Iran perceive themselves to be at war with the United States, and are desperate, highly unpredictable characters.

"Israel hath cast off the thing that is good: the enemy shall pursue him" (Hosea 8:3) applies in principle here.

1 posted on 12/27/2012 8:03:54 PM PST by daniel1212
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To: daniel1212
More FR articles on EMPs
2 posted on 12/27/2012 8:07:24 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

Well, I wish they’d hurry up with tossing that EMP our way!

At least it would undermine Obama’s plans for destroying America.

Next election would have paper ballots.
MSM influence would be gone.

The 47% who prefer to sit on their ass, will have to make new choices.


3 posted on 12/27/2012 8:11:17 PM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: G Larry
I'm with you. I'm thinking that it might not be all that bad from where I'm standing.

The ants will survive, the grasshoppers won't.

4 posted on 12/27/2012 8:15:41 PM PST by Newbomb Turk (Hey Newbomb, where's your brothers ElCamino ?)
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To: daniel1212

And an EMP strike ok North Korea would gave almost no effect at all


5 posted on 12/27/2012 8:15:54 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: daniel1212

Yes, and as soon as they pull that little trick Im sure we have an off-shore submarine or two that will retaliate and blast all the Norks to Kingdom Come.

So such a move is not without risk


6 posted on 12/27/2012 8:20:09 PM PST by Gasshog (Welcome to the United States of Stupidos!)
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To: daniel1212

Surrender now, America! Your puny defenses are no match for our power!

EMP stories seem to be on a four month cycle, and all say that the USA is doomed in the face of a single EMP bomb.


7 posted on 12/27/2012 8:26:02 PM PST by DBrow
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To: daniel1212

Read “One Second After” by William R. Forstchen.

A great read about an EMP strike against the United States.


8 posted on 12/27/2012 8:30:00 PM PST by montomike (Politics should be about service and not a lucrative, money-making opportunity!)
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To: daniel1212

One Second After...


9 posted on 12/27/2012 8:30:41 PM PST by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: montomike

11 seconds after


10 posted on 12/27/2012 8:31:55 PM PST by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: montomike

Make that 41 seconds


11 posted on 12/27/2012 8:33:36 PM PST by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: Gasshog

Somehow, I doubt Obunga would do any such thing.....


12 posted on 12/27/2012 8:43:34 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: daniel1212
does anyone really think that our "leaders" want peace?....I don't think they do......must be billions to be made by the elites...because our once proud country is doing nothing to protect us or other good people in the world....

we are the Unitied States of America....we have a grand history of revolution, or industry, progress, and democracy....

a nation of God fearing Christians who at one time were moral,ethical, spiritual, and believed in hard work and postponing reward for the better good....

now look what a pathetic mess we've become....and no way to stop if because of the head jerk in chief.....the evil ones control everything....

13 posted on 12/27/2012 8:48:21 PM PST by cherry
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To: Gasshog
what makes anyone think that anyone in the leadership roles of this country....the white house and their little snakes...the head people at defense and yes, even the military brass care one iota of protecting us let alone retaliating for us....

they want us to be a sniviling wasted people....well, we're getting there...

there are no John Waynes who are going to save us....

not one American hero...not one....

14 posted on 12/27/2012 8:51:54 PM PST by cherry
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To: G Larry

OK—They hit the USA and—no one knows how bad such an attack will be or if it will do all the damage they expect. The people in North Korea will know that out Boomer submarines will survive and let loose with all they have on North Korea and turn it into a radioactive waste land —none of their leaders, peasants, slaves, cities, towns, bases will survive the massive blasts. They know this and that will keep any attack from happening. We might toss in any nation that helped them in the boot—Iran, China, etc... We would have nothing to lose.


15 posted on 12/27/2012 9:08:41 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: daniel1212

A nuclear signature on an ICBM would be shot down by a Japanese Aegis.

The fun part would be letting the Norks f*** it up and having it explode over Beijing.


16 posted on 12/27/2012 9:15:26 PM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: daniel1212

In the spring of 1951, we had the North Koreans and their Red Chinese allies on the run. Had President Truman not halted at the 38th Parallel, we would have eliminated this potentially existential threat to us.


17 posted on 12/27/2012 9:16:06 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

Not true. Much of NOK is so close to Seoul that the use of nuclear weapons would destroy much of the city. The leadership of NOK knows where to hide and they have massive underground protection from nuclear weapons. They ain’t and easy target.
It is likely that China has acquired all of our EMP knowledge from spies and commercial espionage. Would the use NOK as a proxy to deliver a blow to the US?


18 posted on 12/27/2012 9:17:17 PM PST by Oldexpat
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

Who is “we” white man?

You think Obama would nuke NK?

Really?

If we got EMP’d, do you think his investigation would take longer than the Benghazi investigation?

I’m betting on him send Kim a letter saying “Thanks for the help”


19 posted on 12/27/2012 9:22:04 PM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: daniel1212
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!


20 posted on 12/27/2012 9:24:46 PM PST by Dogbert41 (What now?)
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To: Oldexpat

“China has acquired all of our EMP knowledge from spies and commercial espionage.

Don’t forget Bill Clinton, Loral Corporation and Bernie Swartz.

http://alamo-girl.com/0041.htm


21 posted on 12/27/2012 9:26:00 PM PST by BlessingsofLiberty (Remember Brian Terry...)
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To: doorgunner69

Obama is a robot. If he is not EMP-hardened, Biden becomes president. Oh, wait. Biden is one, also. That leaves...


22 posted on 12/27/2012 9:26:26 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: BlessingsofLiberty

Swartz = Schwartz

Bernard Schwartz


23 posted on 12/27/2012 9:29:57 PM PST by BlessingsofLiberty (Remember Brian Terry...)
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To: Oldexpat

Obama keeps up the tradition Clinton Started

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/2012/07/23/obama-like-clinton-in-the-1990s-using-space-systemsloral-to-once-again-export-more-u-s-space-technology-to-communist-china/


24 posted on 12/27/2012 9:35:04 PM PST by BlessingsofLiberty (Remember Brian Terry...)
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To: cherry

>a nation of God fearing Christians who at one time were moral,ethical, spiritual, and believed in hard work and postponing reward for the better good....<

If you want to see where the Occupy Movement and the “share the wealth” program began, prayerfully read Is. 14 and Gn. 3.

God sits as supreme, and the devil wants to occupy it, not as he is worthy, as God is, but because he was the original liberal elite, who selfishly lusted to occupy the Administration building, requiring that God should share His glory.

The infamous “I wills:”

“For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. “ (Isaiah 14:13-14)

Being rejected for His unwarranted selfish exaltation (note that believers, being overcomers, will be seated with the Lord Jesus in His throne: (Rv. 3:21), he next worked to instill his victim entitlement mentality in Eve, insinuating that God was not dealing justly with her, that He was selfishly holding back His Divine knowledge from Eve, and that He should share the wealth, and thus take it by rebellion. Or so said the clay to the potter.

“And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. “ (Genesis 3:4-5)

The result is called the Fall, but “The Lord is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit,” (Psalms 34:18) as such trust the risen Lord Jesus to save them by His sinless shed blood.

“For every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. “ (Luke 18:14)

Thanks be to God.


25 posted on 12/27/2012 9:36:54 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Fiji Hill

Yes, short term gain, long term loss. And what of helping Russia so much that it was a race as to who would get to Berlin first (and get the atomic secrets). Etc. To this day we are fighting proxy wars.


26 posted on 12/27/2012 9:39:33 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade
Would the submarines also be zapped with EMP?

Is there any way US could intercept an EMP missile before it could damage US?

27 posted on 12/27/2012 9:43:21 PM PST by hummingbird
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

You are reading too many novels. The federal government as presently constituted would never retaliate against an aggressor nation. Look at Benghazi. Americans were killed on American soil in a foreign country, by enemies of the U.S. Yet what did we do to retaliate? Hilary trips and bangs her head and can’t testify.


28 posted on 12/27/2012 9:43:54 PM PST by 4Runner
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To: daniel1212

Thank you for this post.


29 posted on 12/27/2012 9:48:47 PM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: struggle
A nuclear signature on an ICBM would be shot down by a Japanese Aegis.

... because Japan cannot foresee their own importance in the post-American world? At a very low price of not shooting a certain missile down when they aren't even legally required to do so?

30 posted on 12/27/2012 9:54:27 PM PST by Greysard
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To: hummingbird

Most submarines, tanks and military hardware is hardened to withstand an EMP strike (in case of nuclear war). Civilian hardware...not so much. The US could intercept a ballistic missile en route to US air space, however even with modern missile defense a lot of things have to go right. If it were fired from say a container ship 30 miles off the coast...we’d have no chance.


31 posted on 12/27/2012 10:12:22 PM PST by miliantnutcase
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To: G Larry

Well, I wish they’d hurry up with tossing that EMP our way!

At least it would undermine Obama’s plans for destroying America.

Next election would have paper ballots.
MSM influence would be gone.

The 47% who prefer to sit on their ass, will have to make new choices.

Well Armed Ants would be the survivors


32 posted on 12/27/2012 10:25:57 PM PST by GraceG
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To: Fiji Hill

Agree 100 percent with this. No Kim dynasties, no CPC dynasties, and the USSR would have been quite vulnerable if we were on their eastern borders. Never mind the multiple millions of deaths due to Asian communists that were preventable . . .


33 posted on 12/27/2012 10:26:22 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Vince Ferrer
And an EMP strike ok North Korea would gave almost no effect at all

An EMP strike on NK would turn out their lights...

Correction. It would turn out their light.

34 posted on 12/27/2012 10:31:44 PM PST by KarlInOhio (I'm tired of being beaten like a malcontent elf so Obama can pretend to be Santa.)
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To: G Larry
The 47% who prefer to sit on their ass, will have to make new choices.

It would not matter to them. They would still be waiting for that perfect candidate and refuse to vote for anyone else.

Odd thing is, they do not even know who their perfect candidate is...... but they "won't waste that vote on anyone else" or something else as stupid as that.

3 million conservatives DID NOT VOTE in the last election. That mean they ALL BY DEFAULT VOTED for Barak Obama. They really did. And simple math shows that the are the KEY to why we all must live with Obama for at least 4 more years.

So thank you fools. Hope YOUR choice works out as well as he did the last 4 years.

Children should not even have a vote, but sadly some in this country do because of their ages.

The results of their folly will harm us immeasurably over at least the next 4 years.
But really, considering that Obama will get to put 2 to 3 justices on SCOTUS it wlll hurt us all for a much, much longer time.
35 posted on 12/27/2012 10:44:12 PM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUSt. We are DOOMED for several generations. . Who cares? The Dems care!)
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To: daniel1212
Cool! I could stand to see Jessica Alba dressed like this agai:


36 posted on 12/27/2012 10:51:58 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Forward the Light Brigade
Wait, do you really believe an admin that will not even defend an Ambassador, on sovereign US soil, will use nuclear weapons against someone who uses an EMP against us???

Really?? What are you drinking or smoking to have such a deluded idea?

Go back to your obama bed and dream you are Dorothy clicking you heals together... and repeat after her.... "There is no place but home"
37 posted on 12/27/2012 10:56:33 PM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS... We are DOOMED for several generations. . Who cares? The Dems care!)
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To: hummingbird
uh, not after the warhead goes off....

basic 4th grade history and science....
38 posted on 12/27/2012 11:04:16 PM PST by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS... We are DOOMED for several generations. . Who cares? The Dems care!)
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To: daniel1212

Let’s look at the “One Second After” scenario.
An EMP weapon launched from a shipping vessel that immediately sinks so there is no evidence who did it.
Worst case, all communications are gone. Yes, we do have boomers everywhere but would the order come to attack? And who would we attack? The Norks? The Iranians? The Chinese? The Russians? All capable and all hate us. Would someone make a decision to strike all of them with the chance that most are innocent? I think not!
It is a very real possibility that it could be done and they could get away with it.


39 posted on 12/28/2012 3:02:23 AM PST by vanilla swirl (searching for something meaningful to say)
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To: KarlInOhio

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40 posted on 12/28/2012 3:57:32 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Vince Ferrer; TigerLikesRooster; AmericanInTokyo; GeronL; daniel1212; Oldexpat; KarlInOhio
5 posted on Thu Dec 27 2012 22:15:54 GMT-0600 (Central Standard Time) by Vince Ferrer: “And an EMP strike on North Korea would gave almost no effect at all.”

I hadn't thought of that until now.

While not technically accurate — the North Korean elites do use electricity and computers, and not all of them are in hardened underground cave facilities, and as KarlinOhio posted at #34, they do have “one light” in Pyongyang — it is certainly a clue to the psychology of why North Koreans might be willing to try something like this.

North Korea's technology is at such a primitive level that it might well survive an EMP attack with minimal problems. Of course, this is only theoretical since any EMP attack on Pyongyang would wreck Seoul and Inchon, so nobody would actually try one. Any effective response to North Korean aggression would have to use more traditional military methods, and that's not easy because the North Korean military is still one of the largest in the world. Raw numbers and tough discipline do count when fighting a land war in one’s own back yard.

6 posted on Thu Dec 27 2012 22:20:09 GMT-0600 (Central Standard Time) by Gasshog: “Yes, and as soon as they pull that little trick Im sure we have an off-shore submarine or two that will retaliate and blast all the Norks to Kingdom Come. So such a move is not without risk.”

15 posted on Thu Dec 27 2012 23:08:41 GMT-0600 (Central Standard Time) by Forward the Light Brigade: “OK—They hit the USA and—no one knows how bad such an attack will be or if it will do all the damage they expect. The people in North Korea will know that out Boomer submarines will survive and let loose with all they have on North Korea and turn it into a radioactive waste land—none of their leaders, peasants, slaves, cities, towns, bases will survive the massive blasts. They know this and that will keep any attack from happening. We might toss in any nation that helped them in the boot—Iran, China, etc... We would have nothing to lose.”

I wish I could agree, Light Brigade and Gasshog, but I can't.

As OldExPat posted (#18 on Thu Dec 27 2012 23:17:17 GMT-0600): “Much of NOK is so close to Seoul that the use of nuclear weapons would destroy much of the city. The leadership of NOK knows where to hide and they have massive underground protection from nuclear weapons. They ain’t an easy target.”

The North Korean leadership seem perfectly willing to sacrifice large percentages of their people as long as their own military capability to personally survive is not impaired.

The problems with using nuclear weapons on North Korea include spread of fallout to Seoul and Japan, as well as possible issues with China. Conventional weapons are much more likely in a scenario like that since they can do comparable damage without collateral damage to South Korea and without greatly antagonizing Japan and China.

The problem is that I'm not sure the North Korean leadership cares about the damage done by any conventional attack short of a full-scale invasion. Their military is still one of the largest in the world and I doubt anyone except South Korea and China is realistically able to mount a ground war in North Korea. Because millions of South Korean citizens would die in a ground war as ordinary weapon rounds landed on Seoul and Inchon and longer-range missiles landed on Pusan and Taegu, I am quite sure South Korea wants to avoid an all-out war with North Korea at virtually any cost, and the Chinese would be more likely to issue a direct threat to the North Korean military coupled with a surgical strike to assassinate the top North Korean leadership and replace them with more compliant generals willing to follow Chinese orders.

Bottom line — if North Korea actually did launch an EMP attack I am not convinced the United States would be militarily or politically able to do much of anything about it, and that's even assuming bad actors in the Middle East, Russia and China don't try to step into the power vacuum and start trouble elsewhere.

41 posted on 12/28/2012 4:05:56 AM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: darrellmaurina

Good points for sure. You would think though our intelligence guys would know the origin of country of assault. But the USA is becoming the US of S more and more ...see tagline. So who knows.


42 posted on 12/28/2012 4:49:44 AM PST by Gasshog (Welcome to the United States of Stupidos!)
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To: daniel1212

emping


43 posted on 12/28/2012 6:08:36 AM PST by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: GraceG

I see you’ve been reading fictional accounts of the physics of an EMP attack.

I’m a former Nuclear Weapons Specialist.

If NK through some new toy our way, 99.9% of us would be fine, as far as high altitude nuclear blast effect go.


44 posted on 12/28/2012 7:21:16 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: darrellmaurina; TigerLikesRooster

A response to an attack on South Korea/US must be pre-planned and coordinated. Attacking their military will be useless because we won’t and SK won’t do it.

Cruise missiles preprogrammed to strike communist party and government buildings in Pyongyang, including their TV-Radio buildings (even if they just knock down the facades) and those radio jamming towers and palaces of the Kims will be much more effective at destabalizing the regime than any attack on their military.

Once their broadcasts and jamming goes down, South Korea should be prepared to launch their own programming on NorK frequencies for as long a chance as they get.


45 posted on 12/28/2012 8:15:34 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: G Larry

A nuclear specialist that doesn’t know the difference between through and threw? And we’re supposed to trust you as an authority?


46 posted on 12/28/2012 8:17:59 AM PST by Monty22002
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To: Monty22002

Ya...that’s a big deal....

It doesn’t excuse your ignorance on the bigger picture and the question at hand.

Nice try at face saving though.


47 posted on 12/28/2012 10:32:15 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: G Larry

I made no claims at all. It’s possible there wouldn’t be a huge amount of damage, but it’s possible there would be too. The data isn’t terribly conclusive on how modern electronics will react.


48 posted on 12/28/2012 10:47:13 AM PST by Monty22002
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To: Monty22002

From your post # 32:

“Well Armed Ants would be the survivors”

That pretty clearly forecasts much more destruction than some undetermined amount of electronics, being affected.


49 posted on 12/28/2012 11:02:49 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: G Larry

That was not my post.


50 posted on 12/28/2012 11:08:59 AM PST by Monty22002
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