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Scouts employ aggressive tactics in abuse defense
WSBT.com ^ | December 24, 2012 | Kim Christensen

Posted on 12/28/2012 6:32:41 AM PST by Perseverando

Organization often played legal hardball against accusers in molestation cases, say attorneys and families.

When a lawsuit alleged that two young brothers in Michigan had been molested “hundreds of times” by a troop leader, the Boy Scouts denied responsibility and pointed the finger at someone else — the boys' recently widowed mother.

The Scouts faulted the woman “for her failure to provide adequate parental supervision,” suggesting in court papers that she was responsible for any harm to her sons.

One of the boys' lawyers called that argument excessive.

“The day their dad died, the perpetrator began to befriend the boys,” Kelly Clark said. “Then the Boy Scouts turn around and file papers saying Mom was the problem?”

DATABASE: Tracking decades of allegations

The Scouts' legal tactics in the ongoing lawsuit are part of an aggressive approach that the youth group has long used in defending itself in child sex abuse cases, some victims, their families and lawyers say.

Since 1,247 confidential files were unsealed in October detailing allegations of sexual abuse in its ranks, Scouting has taken a more conciliatory stance.

“We have heard from victims of abuse and are doing our very best to respond to each person with our utmost care and sensitivity,” Scouting spokesman Deron Smith said in October, offering an apology, counseling and other assistance.

DOCUMENTS: A paper trail of abuse

But in the years before the files' release, some who alleged abuse say, their accusations were met with denial, blame and legal hardball.

“The knives are out and you'd better get your knife out because if you don't, they will tear you to shreds,” said Timothy Hale, who represents a Santa Barbara County teenager who was abused in 2007 at the age of 13 by volunteer Scout leader Al Steven Stein.

Stein had a history

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: boyscouts; bsa; homosexualagenda; pedophiles; perverts; scouts
Wait a minute! The liberal elitists have been demanding gay scout leaders for years. Now they're complaining that the gay pedophile scout leaders weren't outted by the Boy Scouts of America leadership?

What do they think gay scout leaders are going to be doing when they have the opportunity. It's open season on children.

This is insane!!!!


1 posted on 12/28/2012 6:32:54 AM PST by Perseverando
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To: Perseverando
the bottom line; liberals hate the young men/ppl. up holding traditional values..
they'll use any/all means to achieve that end.

2 posted on 12/28/2012 6:42:45 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,spend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0Bozo man can :-)
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To: Perseverando

The liberals have succeeded in destroying the BSA and our Military.


3 posted on 12/28/2012 6:45:30 AM PST by Rappini (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: Perseverando

The perp in this case is alleged to also have molested girls—basically any child who was unlucky enough to cross his path.

And who makes a 400 pound man a Scout leader? How can he perform his duties? Sounds like a failure at the local level.


4 posted on 12/28/2012 7:01:20 AM PST by Burkean (.)
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To: Burkean

^^^ Sounds like a failure at the local level. ^^^

Sounds more like a dream come true for a pedophile. We can all thank the liberal agenda for this


5 posted on 12/28/2012 7:12:43 AM PST by wrench
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To: Perseverando

Not insane at all-—brilliant.

First they try to destroy the scouts by filling them with Homo’s.
When the scouts objected they switched tactics. Now they try to prove that the scouts are already infested with Homo’s.

You have to realize that since queers cannot gain a foothold in the Scouts, the object is to destroy the Boy Scouts, This is just a battle being fought on the flank.


6 posted on 12/28/2012 7:15:42 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Perseverando

My seven year old became a Tiger scout this year. The first den meeting was spent discussing to the parents the training the scout leaders get and the policies such as a scout never being alone with one leader at a time.


7 posted on 12/28/2012 7:31:02 AM PST by Sybeck1
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To: Sybeck1

I’m a paranoid old fogey, but I would not let my child go to any kind of group meeting on a regular basis unless I was there.

For those who are younger, the Boy Scouts originally began as a kind of Roosevelt youth as a response to the Hitler youth movement in Germany. For decades, fathers were always involved in scouting activities, but now there are far too many young kids who don’t have dads that have become targets for pedophiles in all group setting.

It would seem that with the shrinking numbers of participants and parents willing to participate, that the Scouts group has lost its reason to be. Then, of course, there is the Girl Scouts that has been taken over by liberals.


8 posted on 12/28/2012 7:45:47 AM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: Sybeck1

Oops. sorry, got my history wrong. BSA started much earlier than the Roosevelt years, but it did take off then. Youth groups in general were quite popular then.

Guess I’m a confused old fogey, too. ;-)


9 posted on 12/28/2012 7:48:48 AM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: Pining_4_TX
For those who are younger, the Boy Scouts originally began as a kind of Roosevelt youth as a response to the Hitler youth movement in Germany.

BS!

10 posted on 12/28/2012 7:50:29 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Pining_4_TX

Ok, I read your mea culpa.


11 posted on 12/28/2012 7:51:45 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

That’s OK. I knew I would get smacked for that one. :-)


12 posted on 12/28/2012 7:58:28 AM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: Pining_4_TX

In my son’s troop, all of the leaders have their kids in the troop. Also I always made sure any coaches my kids played for, had one of their kids on the team as well.


13 posted on 12/28/2012 8:04:12 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Pining_4_TX

Oh I dunno. My son joined BSA Tiger Cubs (6-7 y.o.) this year. Aside from the two-adult rule cited earlier the Tiger Cub handbook covers many things no longer taught in schools or exemplified in popular culture. Things such as honoring and participating in family activies, responsibilities and accoutability, the values of hard work, honesty, faith in God and patriotism. One of his recent homework assignements was devoted to honesty and making and keeping promises. Hardly the stuff of New Deal appropration politics or Free-S entitlement estate planning.


14 posted on 12/28/2012 8:06:32 AM PST by Justa
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To: Sybeck1

I went to the link and it was too hard to find the full article but......

You are correct. It is their “two deep leadership” policy.
No scout is to be alone with any adult leader at any time. If this guy was molesting kids during Scouting outings, the policy was clearly being ignored and Scouting is not at fault. If this guy was using his introduction to the kids through Scouting, then contacting them outside Scouting activities, the Mother should have been more aware. Scouting was not at fault.

I am an Eagle Scout and was an adult leader for many years. Protecting the young men in the program was taken VERY seriously.


15 posted on 12/28/2012 8:06:47 AM PST by super7man
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To: dfwgator

A very good idea.


16 posted on 12/28/2012 8:08:21 AM PST by super7man
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To: Justa

The Girl Scouts changed what they teach and what values they promote.


17 posted on 12/28/2012 8:14:43 AM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: Venturer

They infest any organization and destroy it from within. The military, BSA, church and traditional families.

They have no intentions of ever blending in with these entities. Their main goal is to destroy so that no one wants to go to church, join the military /BSA etc or become married.

The biggest obstacles to homos running wild is the family and religion. They intend to destroy both.


18 posted on 12/28/2012 9:29:09 AM PST by USAF80
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To: 17th Miss Regt; 1riot1ranger; 2001convSVT; 2banana; 3catsanadog; 50sDad; Abby4116; ...

Scouts Under Attack News


19 posted on 12/28/2012 9:55:08 AM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: 17th Miss Regt; 1riot1ranger; 2001convSVT; 2banana; 3catsanadog; 50sDad; Abby4116; ...

Scouts Under Attack News


20 posted on 12/28/2012 9:55:26 AM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: 17th Miss Regt; 1riot1ranger; 2001convSVT; 2banana; 3catsanadog; 50sDad; Abby4116; ...

Scouts Under Attack News


21 posted on 12/28/2012 9:56:31 AM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: SandRat
thanks, for the post. :-)

22 posted on 12/28/2012 10:13:50 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,spend it all today;who can take your income,tax it all away..0'Bozo man can :-)
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To: USAF80

You are dead right.


23 posted on 12/28/2012 10:19:30 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Pining_4_TX

Saw your mea culpa, so this will be polite instead of full flame mode!

The BSA was founded in 1910, i.e. we just celebrated our 100th anniversary two years ago. The group was BIG by 1920, so any statement that it was scaled up during WWII is inaccurate. The first Eagle was received around 1912 if I remember right, and the organization has been a huge part of American life since.

The organization still has roughly 2 million youth members today. It is still the single largest youth organization in the country.

Now to the point of the original article. The BSA defended themselves in court when they were sued. So what the article REALLY says is that the organization used the strongest defence it could conjure. Gee - what a surprise!


24 posted on 12/28/2012 12:34:48 PM PST by fremont_steve
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To: fremont_steve
Thanks for pitching in with those facts. I'd also like to add that the BSA was active during World War I collecting things like scrap metal and kitchen grease for the war effort.

FDR who (as few people know) was the Democrat vice presidential candidate in 1920 actually used his famous name and very distant blood relationship with Teddy (who was a genuine supporter of scouting) to horn in on the movement with limited success a decade later when he tried to use them to support some of his alphabet soup agencies, particularly the CCC.

The BSA would have nothing to do with his politics but were, of course, supportive of the war effort during the 1940's just as they had been in World War I. They were also supportive of efforts at conservation, respect for nature and outdoor living just as they had been when the first Roosevelt president became involved with them shortly after their founding.

As I recall, TR and Lord Baden Powell became lifelong friends in the effort.

25 posted on 12/28/2012 1:20:21 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: fremont_steve

Too bad FR doesn’t let one delete a post that one wants back. ;-)


26 posted on 12/28/2012 1:42:12 PM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: Perseverando

You have to understand their logic. For us it is a matter of behavior, for them it is a matter of self-identity. Thus they repudiate the great majority of perps who are best described as bi-sexual.


27 posted on 12/28/2012 7:46:00 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: SandRat; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Thanks SandRat.


28 posted on 12/28/2012 9:05:49 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SandRat

Prayers up for the BSA.


29 posted on 12/29/2012 7:17:05 AM PST by Bigg Red (Sorry, Mr. Franklin, I guess we couldn't keep it.)
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To: Pining_4_TX
For decades, fathers were always involved in scouting activities, but now there are far too many young kids who don’t have dads that have become targets for pedophiles in all group setting.

When my boy was in scouts in the 80s-90s, all the parents who participated in our cub pack were women except for two men -- one was a devout Christian and the other was an artist. The artist soon dropped out and took his son out of scouts because he heard the kids saluting the flag and the words "under God" really bothered him. So the mothers were the only ones to keep things going with that one wonderful man, whose wife, fortunately, could trust him completely to meet with all those divorced or abandoned moms every week. My husband just wouldn't participate and always used work as an excuse.

30 posted on 12/30/2012 2:33:42 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("If you're going through hell, keep on going."--Winston Churchill)
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To: Pining_4_TX
Not true AT ALL. Get your facts straight!

BSA was founded in 1912, long before Hitler came to power. When BSA was founded Hitler was still a bum in Vienna.

31 posted on 01/02/2013 7:26:44 AM PST by nuke rocketeer (File CONGRESS.SYS corrupted: Re-boot Washington D.C (Y/N)?)
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To: Pining_4_TX
Not true AT ALL. Get your facts straight!

BSA was founded in 1912, long before Hitler came to power. When BSA was founded Hitler was still a bum in Vienna.

32 posted on 01/02/2013 7:26:44 AM PST by nuke rocketeer (File CONGRESS.SYS corrupted: Re-boot Washington D.C (Y/N)?)
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To: Pining_4_TX
Not true AT ALL. Get your facts straight!

BSA was founded in 1912, long before Hitler came to power. When BSA was founded Hitler was still a bum in Vienna.

33 posted on 01/02/2013 7:27:01 AM PST by nuke rocketeer (File CONGRESS.SYS corrupted: Re-boot Washington D.C (Y/N)?)
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