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WND ^ | December 26, 2012 | Phil Elmore

Posted on 12/28/2012 6:44:16 AM PST by Perseverando

Exclusive: Phil Elmore insists gun-hating liberals 'want to murder you'

The war has begun.

The cultural war, the roiling but barely concealed “cold” war in which you have been enmeshed for years, has exploded into a full-fledged conflict. Where once the libs, the leftists, the Democrats in the United States were content to try to marginalize you – to define you through flawed “studies” and junk “science” as stupid, as uninformed, as less compassionate, as inferior – they are no longer satisfied with this cowardly tactic. Where once the major news media at least went through the motions of concealing their advocacy for lib candidates and “progressive” policies, they now proclaim their naked, brazen favor for them. Where once there were enough Americans to counter-balance the useless eaters, the “low-information voters,” the unemployed, disengaged flotsam of humanity who vote for “free stuff” from Uncle Sugar Barack, we have now reached a tipping point.

We’re outnumbered, and they know it.

It has always been the case that the shortest interval of time yet calculated by science is the time it takes a liberal to exploit a murder. Specifically, every time a shooting takes place in this country, liberal politicians trample whomever gets in their way as they race to the nearest television camera. Their goal: to punish everyone who did not do it. Being a liberal means blaming crime on inanimate objects – guns – while remaining steadfastly convinced that further constraining and forbidding firearms to law-abiding citizens will somehow magically prevent crime.

Liberals assert this while simultaneously admitting that the laws they propose will do nothing of the kind. They are obsessed with reconfiguring the physical world such that evil people will want to do harm to others, but simply won’t be able to. This is quite impossible, but achieving

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1 posted on 12/28/2012 6:44:19 AM PST by Perseverando
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To: Perseverando

Liberals have a primordial fear that they will suddenly be held accountable for their transgressions by an enraged citizenry especially minorities. Hence the obsession with guns. They fear extreme prejudice directed at them.


2 posted on 12/28/2012 6:49:46 AM PST by allendale
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To: Perseverando

The rhetoric is getting VERY heated. There will come a time very soon when soaring rhetoric like this will be considered a declaration of war and Liberals will use that to forcibly imprison or kill the dissenters. It happened in Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, Communist China, and in other totalitarian regimes.

I believe this author is a bit overstated. I personally believe that discretion is the better part of valor.

Calling for execution of citizens is the realm of left, and they’ve done it several times as of late. When people to the right of center do it, they’re investigated by the FBI. The left ALWAYS gets a pass. As such, we must remain steadfast to hold our fire until we see the whites of their eyes.

When they’re physically in our faces, occupying our streets, destroying our vehicles, our homes, our businesses, our livelihoods, then, and only then, should we take to arms, much like the Korean shop owners during the Watts riots.

Make no mistake, if the American Federal government calls for a systematic disarmament of the American people, it will be time for us to brush the dust from our ammo cans and stand together as one American voice. The likes of Feinstein, Schumer, Lautenberg, and Obama will NEVER disarm the free people of this nation, and if they try, they will learn quickly the resolve of the Patriot.

I will NOT allow chains to rest on my shoulders, no matter how light they may be.


3 posted on 12/28/2012 6:57:45 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia
I believe this author is a bit overstated.

Based on what?

I personally believe that discretion is the better part of valor.

How do you believe this cliche is best applied, and how is the author not doing so?

4 posted on 12/28/2012 7:02:43 AM PST by papertyger
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To: Perseverando
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5 posted on 12/28/2012 7:03:39 AM PST by baddog 219
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To: rarestia

I think it is a pretty honest assessment of where liberals would like to go. They undeniably are hoping that NRA leaders and members are murdered and they are saying it publicly. I am concerned that they will cause us all to suffer terribly at some point.


6 posted on 12/28/2012 7:05:05 AM PST by jospehm20
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To: Perseverando

“They are obsessed with reconfiguring the physical world such that evil people will want to do harm to others, but simply won’t be able to. This is quite impossible”

Close, but not quite. The author missed the core, the base assumption.

“People are basically good.” That is the mistaken core assumption from which liberalism/statism comes.

If only the proper environment were imposed on people, they would act in their “basically good” nature. And, the people who know what’s best must be given the power to implement this environment. Any restrictions on their power thwarts this paradise.

This comes from the very first lie - you will be as gods.


7 posted on 12/28/2012 7:06:29 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Perseverando
The cultural war, the roiling but barely concealed “cold” war in which you have been enmeshed for years, has exploded into a full-fledged conflict.

Their mantra is "when the time is right, strike hard".
This is their time and they intend to strike hard. It remains to be seen if we can withstand their attack.

8 posted on 12/28/2012 7:07:15 AM PST by oldbrowser (They are marxists, don't call them democrats)
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To: baddog 219

When that night comes, the first priority will be to get the word out to others that “it’s on”.

Those with families, you’ll have to make your choice, but my choice is to “live to fight another day”.

Engaging them on their terms is suicide. Live to join like minded folks and engage them on YOUR terms. Bowman strategy.


9 posted on 12/28/2012 7:09:11 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: baddog 219

See how they’re all facing the house?

That won’t last long....


10 posted on 12/28/2012 7:11:47 AM PST by papertyger
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To: rarestia
"I believe this author is a bit overstated. I personally believe that discretion is the better part of valor."

When the author says that libs want gun owners to die or be killed, he is spot on. There are plenty of posting that say just that.

11 posted on 12/28/2012 7:13:37 AM PST by Truth29
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To: baddog 219

12 posted on 12/28/2012 7:17:58 AM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control is it? It's really about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: Truth29

Not just gun owners, but anyone who opposes their ideology.

There was a story today about some guy telling another guy with an anto-Obama bumper sticker that “people like you should be shot”.

They seek our extermination. Treat them accordingly.


13 posted on 12/28/2012 7:21:19 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Perseverando

I think the article flies ever so close to hyperbole.


14 posted on 12/28/2012 7:26:32 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: demshateGod

Most leftists would call your screen name “hyperbole”,
it’s a matter of opinion, I guess, or a matter of what you’re willing to admit or accept.

Do you accept the concept that the left would exterminate political/ideological opposition if they had the power to do so?
This means they have the desire and will to do so, but simply lack the power, and are currently accumulating that power and will use it to achieve their goal once they get it.

Do you deny or accept that?


15 posted on 12/28/2012 7:31:17 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: rarestia

The problem is, they’ll do it one at a time. They’ll find or manufacture iniquity deep in our past or deep on our hard drives. It won’t come to reciprocating bullets unless we initiate it. Which we won’t, because our lives are too good right now. We can still earn a living, still do almost anything we want, still go to church, still raise our families. They have to plan it out just right, and they will.


16 posted on 12/28/2012 7:34:09 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: rarestia

I should have said, “They will plan it just right because they have been all along.”


17 posted on 12/28/2012 7:35:21 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: jospehm20

I think when you say “liberals” you’re talking about a lot of people. Some of whom don’t really want me to die, or want to kill me.


18 posted on 12/28/2012 7:36:31 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: rarestia

Waiting for a “systematic disarmament of the American people” will be too late. We must get in THEIR faces and respond forcibly when people like Hoyer claim that the Whigs want to murder the kidnapped child.

Those people in NY who have had their names and addresses published for owning a legal gun should be in court today, suing the pants off the newspaper and the people responsible.


19 posted on 12/28/2012 7:37:57 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: demshateGod

There is indeed a dichotomy among liberals.
Some would genuinely have “good intentions”, even if those “good intentions” only have the singular goal of making the “intender” feel good about himself.

But when it comes down to it, in order to implement their “solutions” to the problem of evil in the world,

anyone with an opposing ideology cannot be allowed to exist.


20 posted on 12/28/2012 7:39:58 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

Responsible people have a difficult time accepting the fact that retribution is the only thing keeping many of their idealogical opponents in check.

Furthermore, you can see from their choice of words that said opposition is usually hoping for someone else (presumably, the government) to do the shooting.


21 posted on 12/28/2012 7:41:10 AM PST by papertyger
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To: Perseverando

The assumption is they’ll come all at once. They won’t. They’ve had the smartest, most cynical, spiteful people working on this for years. While we were thinking with our families, our jobs, our God, our recreation, they were thinking about us.


22 posted on 12/28/2012 7:42:08 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: demshateGod
I think the article flies ever so close to hyperbole.
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In this world, what you may view as hyperbole today will be reality tomorrow. The takeover of this country is now on warp speed following November.
23 posted on 12/28/2012 7:45:47 AM PST by iontheball
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To: MrB

You’re right, but it’s not universal. There are people who voted for Obama and are liberals who don’t want to kill me. It’s the political class and their media who are our enemies. Not the people around us. That kind of divisiveness is not what God intended. I saw a post the other day in which the Freeper said they can’t be friends with anyone who teaches in government schools. The government education is a tool of the enemy but come one.


24 posted on 12/28/2012 7:46:43 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: MrB

Part of the problem is lack of real world knowledge. My married, 21 yoa daughter and I were talking about a SHTF scenario just last night. She is a conservative, gun owning American.

She just has no clue about logistics. Through our discussion it became obvious that she has no clue that once things go south that grocery stores will be empty in less than 2 days, ATM will stop working (meaningless since money will be worthless), there will be no cell phones, internet, or GPS. She talks about it like one of those stupid as_ed tv shows. She has a weakness for thinking that most all people are good and that nobody will try and take her stuff as she drives her car down the road to meet us. Luckily son-in-law has vision and sense.

I think that this head-in-sand mentality is rampant among most people and they just don’t want to admit how bad people really are. They cannot fathom that within hours of the financial markets failing or an actual conflict begins that every convenience they know will cease to exist as soon as the power is cut. You point out events like Katrina and they shrug it off like it cannot happen here. I told here honey there are 300+ million people in this country that means it is you and your immediate family ( about 20 souls ) against 300+ million - 20.

The years of electronic convenience and dumbing down of history has basically erased any capacity for self-preservation outside of calling 911 or buying something online and seeing more than 24-48 hours ahead except for planning a vacation.


25 posted on 12/28/2012 7:47:12 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: demshateGod
The assumption is they’ll come all at once. They won’t. They’ve had the smartest, most cynical, spiteful people working on this for years. While we were thinking with our families, our jobs, our God, our recreation, they were thinking about us.

I certainly don't agree with your assertion that the "assumption is they'll come all at once."So how do you suppose they could "do it?"

They don't have enough resources to go "all at once," and if they come in waves they'll get picked off by those further down the list.

Anyone with the slightest tactical awareness knows this.

26 posted on 12/28/2012 7:51:23 AM PST by papertyger
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To: papertyger

They’ll use their goon squads on your house, shoot you and your family, plant something on your hard drive. Next week, while I’m settling in after church, trying to watch the Thunder game, they’ll shoot me and my family. A few people on FR will comment on it, and that’ll be it.


27 posted on 12/28/2012 7:54:16 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: papertyger

I’ve used this for years, though I’m getting more hesitant to do so as the left feels “empowered”.

I tell libinlaws that if they think they want to redistribute my wealth, come over here and take it.

Of course, no one ever does since they don’t want to consider themselves a “bad person”.


28 posted on 12/28/2012 7:55:34 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Resolute Conservative

They will learn quickly, or die.

Lucky for you, your SIL will provide a leg up for your daughter.


29 posted on 12/28/2012 7:55:45 AM PST by papertyger
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To: papertyger

It’s not unprecedented. Look at Elian Gonzales. If we took a poll of Freepers, about 25%-50% would agree with the Clintons on that one.


30 posted on 12/28/2012 7:56:21 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: demshateGod

I submit your scenario is unrealistic.

Do you intend to sit on your thumb once you know they’ve slaughtered me and mine?


31 posted on 12/28/2012 7:59:12 AM PST by papertyger
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To: papertyger

I guess what I’m saying is: We just need to live our lives, enjoy our families, serve God. Resistance really is futile unless we strike first. When they come for you guns, just give them to them unless you’ve got a good hiding place for them. We wouldn’t be the first group of people living under tyranny. It’s sad that we watched it flitter away but being besieged by SWAT tanks isn’t going to preserve it.


32 posted on 12/28/2012 8:01:54 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Resolute Conservative

You describe “normalcy bias” to a T.

The veneer of civilization is thinner than most would want to admit.


33 posted on 12/28/2012 8:02:02 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: papertyger

They can’t get everyone at once, so the idea is that when “it” starts, the word gets out, and those who are “next on the list” simply aren’t where they are expected to be.


34 posted on 12/28/2012 8:05:01 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: demshateGod

Elian Gonzales was a single point target, and everyone knew it; not a sweep of armed Americans. It’s easy to deploy overwhelming force in such a situation. Any feasible confiscation scenario would not enjoy such a tactical advantage.

Therefore, your example is not really relevant.


35 posted on 12/28/2012 8:05:30 AM PST by papertyger
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To: papertyger

I’m afraid we’ll find out in our lifetime whether I’m right or you are. I don’t think either scenario is agreeable. I think we’ve seen already that the righteous can have their doors knocked down with HK’s put in their faces and WE won’t do anything about it.

I’ll get mad, just as I did then. I might even cuss, which I did then. But I have a good life.


36 posted on 12/28/2012 8:08:19 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: demshateGod

There’s only so many “swat tanks”, and there are a lot of people who can get together and engage the enemy on their own terms once we know the veneer is off.

Even swat guys have families that live in the area. They can’t all go live on a compound for the rest of their lives. They want to live their lives as normal people as well.


37 posted on 12/28/2012 8:08:28 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: demshateGod
I guess what I’m saying is...Resistance really is futile ... When they come for you guns, just give them to them

Yes, that's what I thought you were saying.

38 posted on 12/28/2012 8:09:28 AM PST by papertyger
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To: papertyger

“Therefore, your example is not really relevant.”

I think you’re wrong. Ruby Ridge, Waco, etc. If I wrong, it wouldn’t be the first time. Heck, I thought 0 was going to lose in November.


39 posted on 12/28/2012 8:12:35 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: demshateGod
But I have a good life.

How good will your life be when the state threatens to take your children for teaching them homosexuality is wrong? (or insert relevant alternative principle you live by)

40 posted on 12/28/2012 8:15:17 AM PST by papertyger
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To: demshateGod
I think you’re wrong. Ruby Ridge, Waco, etc.

All single point targets.

Even as it was, several armed men were intercepted by the FBI coming to the aid of Randy Weaver at Ruby Ridge. When the government can deploy five hundred agents against a single dwelling, such interceptions are easy. When the government can't deploy five hundred agents against every target...not so much.

41 posted on 12/28/2012 8:22:28 AM PST by papertyger
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To: MrB

I wish I had your confidence, not as though your scenario is all that great. Where were all these Sons of Liberty during Ruby Ridge or Waco? Oh, those guys were a one off situation, and they were molesting kids. That’s what they’re going to say about us too. Or we were cheating on our taxes, or cooking meth. Whatever they want to say.

I think it’s probably too late to resist. I think it’s physically possible. There are certainly enough of us. But I have plans, a life, a future. If they come for your guns, and kill you, I’d jump however high they wanted so I could live to see my grandkids. However, if there was an organized effort, lead by non-McVeigh types, I’d be in.


42 posted on 12/28/2012 8:23:32 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: demshateGod
If they come for your guns, and kill you, I’d jump however high they wanted so I could live to see my grandkids.

My your chains rest lightly....

43 posted on 12/28/2012 8:26:16 AM PST by papertyger
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To: demshateGod
“wouldn't be the first ...living under tyranny.” Yep.
I suggest the steps will be: 1) Federal registration of all firearms including airguns and ammunition required of all owners eliminating the grandfather clause. 2) Making failure to do so a felony. 3) Public records of the aforementioned available for free on the Internet - like the DMV today. 4) Compensation to whistleblowers to report on friends etc. who have not complied, and 5) Then using current GPS technology, the ability to cordon off a neighborhood, and go house to house to make sure each registrant and their weapon(s) are in compliance re description, serial number etc. During the visit, there will be a ‘finding’ of an error and the weapons will confiscated, just like in a nonviolent drug raid where they take not only the drugs, but the cash, watches, guns, and automobiles of the suspect. All but the furniture bolted to the floor.

One of the ironies of Feinstein's efforts is that a firearm launched her political career. When Dan White killed San Francisco's Mayor Moscone and first openly gay Supervisor, Harvey Milk, it was Supervisor Feinstein who was chosen to succeed Moscone.

44 posted on 12/28/2012 8:29:02 AM PST by masadaman
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To: papertyger

Man, I love your zeal. That certainly is where all this is heading. Voting and saying the right things on FR hasn’t changed anything. I’m not very old but old enough to see how our side operates. There’s been quite enough go on that should have caused action.


45 posted on 12/28/2012 8:33:20 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: papertyger

And they never fired a shot. We’re all going to be single point targets.


46 posted on 12/28/2012 8:33:44 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: papertyger

I’m free from the burden of sin. No government chains can change that.

What if I were to write, “Yeah, they can tale our lives, but they’ll never take our FREEDOM!” “Out of my cold dead hands....” Would that change a thing? I’d be dead and the erosion of liberty would continue, and my family would have to negotiate this life without me.


47 posted on 12/28/2012 8:40:26 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Resolute Conservative

“no cell phones, internet, or GPS”

There may or may not be cell phones — don’t “the authorities” (at least the non-federals) rely on the same infrastructure as do civilians?

Internet — again, if they try to shut this down, won’t they be shutting it down for non-federal governmental authorities as well?

GPS — since these are based on satellites, again, don’t the feds rely on the same satellites? (perhaps feds have a second, separate, secure network of their own satellites, not connected in any way to commercial GPS)...

Inquiring minds want to know.


48 posted on 12/28/2012 8:45:25 AM PST by Road Glide
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To: demshateGod

It’s not zeal. It’s a calm, dispassionate estimation of the forces available to the government to implement an intolerable policy.

Note what ten armed, determined terrorists did to Mumbai.

I disagree that “there’s been quite enough to go on that should have caused action.” As the Declaration of Independence states “all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.”

But you will note, Lexington and Concord was kicked off when the British took steps to disarm the Colonists.

Government taking our means of deposing a despotic government is the line in the sand that can not be allowed to be crossed. The Colonists knew it, and every American worthy of the name knows it.


49 posted on 12/28/2012 8:52:06 AM PST by papertyger
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To: Perseverando
I've been saying this for years.
FINALLY, Someone's getting it.
50 posted on 12/28/2012 8:55:26 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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