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Piers Morgan Wants to Amend Moses
Townhall.com` ^ | December 28, 2012 | Michael Brown

Posted on 12/28/2012 11:19:38 AM PST by Kaslin

Fresh off his attack on America’s gun control laws, Piers Morgan set his sights on another set of laws that trouble him, the laws of Moses and the Bible. But before he called for an amendment to the Bible to recognize “gay rights,” Morgan actually asked his guest, Pastor Rick Warren, a very fair question, and Warren stumbled in his answer.

Of course, Morgan’s timing could not have been worse. After all, this was a Christmas Eve interview with a Christian leader, and Morgan is not exactly riding a wave of popularity. And to compare the Bible to the Constitution shows a real lack of understanding, let alone sensitivity. (According to Morgan, “Both the Bible and the Constitution were well intentioned but they are basically, inherently flawed.”)

Even those who do not believe the Bible to be God’s Word generally have the prudence not to call for an amendment to the Scriptures. The idea is patently absurd. (To quote Morgan again, “My point to you about gay rights, for example, it’s time for an amendment to the Bible.”)

Who will be responsible for making the amendments? Shall we amend the Bible on an annual basis? Shall we do it by regional vote? By age? By gender? Perhaps we can each amend the Bible as we please, whenever we like? (Come to think of it, in practical terms, that’s what a lot of people do on a daily basis!)

Morgan actually called for a “new Bible,” thereby making a mockery of his very position. (Note to Piers Morgan: If “the Bible” is merely a book containing the latest human opinion, it is not “the Bible.” This would be like calling for the manufacture of a “new car,” only to produce a horse.)

But putting this drivel aside, Morgan’s first question to Warren was actually valid. And while Warren, to his credit, unashamedly spoke of his faith in the Bible as God’s Word, noting that what “is flawed is human opinion” – not the Bible – “because [human opinion] constantly changes,” he failed to respond properly to Morgan’s question. This set up Morgan to make his ridiculous call for an amendment to the Bible. (To Morgan’s credit, at least he recognized that the Bible does prohibit homosexual practice, in contrast with the editors of the new Queen James Bible, who simply rewrote the troubling passages.)

To buttress his argument that the Bible was inherently flawed and in need of updating, Morgan cited the law of Moses that adulterers should be stoned to death. This dialog then ensued:

WARREN: That’s . . . a civil law for the nation of Israel.

MORGAN: But it’s still an element of the Bible that is flawed.

WARREN: Well, evidently, for that generation, that’s their – that’s their commandment.

MORGAN: Exactly my point. . . .

WARREN: But it’s not one of the moral laws.

MORGAN: No, but it’s still in the Bible, and it’s flawed.

This is where Warren’s response fell short.

First, the law against adultery was a moral law, not a civil law. The specific penalty for adultery, namely, stoning, was part of Israel’s civil law, but even at that, Torah law does not distinguish between moral law and civil law.

It would have been better to say, “We both agree that adultery is still wrong; it’s just the penalty for adultery that has changed. It’s the same with homosexual practice.”

Second, Warren offered a weak defense for the validity of this law, saying, “evidently, for that generation, that’s their – that’s their commandment.”

Actually, it would have been better to say that Israel was a theocracy, and as a nation, the people of Israel heard God speak his laws from Mount Sinai. America is not a theocracy and we are not trying to make America into a theocracy. Also, in the ancient Near East, the laws of Moses were actually more compassionate in many ways than the laws of the surrounding nations. But either way, laws like these were common at that time.

More importantly, Jesus, in the New Testament – which is part of the Bible! – spoke against the stoning of an adulteress, without downplaying the sin of adultery. So, Warren could have simply said, “We don’t need to amend the Bible. The Bible already dealt with the very question you raise.”

Of course, if Warren had the time, he could have asked Morgan what right our contemporary Western culture has to throw stones at ancient Israelite morality (no pun intended). For every person stoned to death in ancient Israel for sexual sins, countless thousands of people in Europe and America suffer and even die because of sexually transmitted diseases. I wonder how a line like that would have gone over on the show?

Ironically, after Rick Warren commended Piers Morgan for bringing up these issues, calling for more civil discussion, Moran agreed, saying, “The debate should always be respectful. It's the moment -- it applies to politics, too. . . . The moment it becomes disrespectful and discourteous and then rude and then poisonous, you never achieve anything.”

Perhaps Morgan forgot this principle when he vilified gun lobbyist Larry Pratt as an “incredibly stupid person”? But I digress. Calling for an amendment to the Bible is more than enough for now, and I have no desire to compare today’s gun laws with the Law of Moses.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: bible; deport; gaymarriage; leftwinglunatic; piersmorgan; rickwarren

1 posted on 12/28/2012 11:19:41 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

I am sure Piers is an ardent supporter of abortion rights, is it to late to contact his mother about a late term abortion?


2 posted on 12/28/2012 11:21:46 AM PST by Mastador1
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To: Kaslin

Moses would love to amend Morgan. A Tablet would neatly bash his skull in.


3 posted on 12/28/2012 11:22:59 AM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: Kaslin
According to Morgan, “Both the Bible and the Constitution were well intentioned but they are basically, inherently flawed.”

Piers Morgan also feels God has a 'Morgan Complex' - Piers thinks God feels he's as smart as he is...

4 posted on 12/28/2012 11:25:03 AM PST by GOPJ (It's not possible to be a Progressive and not be a hypocrite. Freeper TigersEye.)
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To: Kaslin

He has jumped the shark needs to be deported or move to MSNBC.


5 posted on 12/28/2012 11:29:29 AM PST by boomop1 (term limits will only save this country.)
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To: Kaslin

Just what we needed. Another arrogant narcissist. If Obama had a son...


6 posted on 12/28/2012 11:30:27 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (U.S. elections have become nothing but another cheap ripoff of American Idol.)
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To: GOPJ

He is an idiot


7 posted on 12/28/2012 11:30:37 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them.)
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To: Kaslin

I guess that makes him an anti-Semite.


8 posted on 12/28/2012 11:31:49 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: boomop1

I vote for deportation.


9 posted on 12/28/2012 11:33:10 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them.)
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To: Kaslin

Warren’s answers to Morgan were wrong all over. He doesn’t know his Bible.


10 posted on 12/28/2012 11:34:04 AM PST by lurk
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To: Kaslin

(with a slight modification, this becomes a lot more interesting.)

Fresh off his attack on America’s gun control laws, Piers Morgan set his sights on another set of laws that trouble him, the laws of Mohammed and the Koran. He then called for an amendment to the Koran to recognize “gay rights”.

I bet that if this was posted around the Internet, some funny things might happen.


11 posted on 12/28/2012 11:36:22 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Pennies and Nickels will NO LONGER be Minted as of 1/1/13 - Tim Geithner, US Treasury Sect)
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To: lurk

Agreed. A real Bible scholar would have ate his lunch. I’m not a Warren bot. Maybe he’s done some good but if you don’t know enough to squash this nuisance on TV then get out of the spotlight.


12 posted on 12/28/2012 11:39:07 AM PST by BipolarBob (White , bitter, clinging to my Bible and AR-15.)
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Someone take him to Chicago and lose him.


13 posted on 12/28/2012 11:41:19 AM PST by charliebob
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To: Kaslin

Has he ever told a muslim cleric that the koran needs amending? Of course not. He knows if he did he would need a regiment of bodyguards surrounding him for the rest of his life.


14 posted on 12/28/2012 11:42:17 AM PST by chessplayer
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

From your lips to the twitterscape...


15 posted on 12/28/2012 11:43:36 AM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: Kaslin
Hmmm... "flawed"... what a concept. It implies "failing to meet a standard"...

What standard would it fail to meet and what is that standard based upon?


16 posted on 12/28/2012 11:46:18 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Kaslin

Morgan made sure he had a “theologian” on that he could run rings around.


17 posted on 12/28/2012 12:00:37 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Kaslin
Piers Morgan, I double dog dare you to spend an hour as a guest on Dennis Prager's radio show arguing your case for a new or "amended" Bible.
18 posted on 12/28/2012 12:13:42 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: Kaslin
Piers Morgan, I double dog dare you to spend an hour as a guest on Dennis Prager's radio show arguing your case for a new or "amended" Bible.
19 posted on 12/28/2012 12:14:06 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: Kaslin

It’s gonna suck to be him on the last day....................


20 posted on 12/28/2012 12:24:02 PM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Kaslin

Maybe this Brit can get with Barry Our Lord and Savior to make changes in the US Constitution and the Bible.


21 posted on 12/28/2012 12:54:00 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: Kaslin
SOoooo....
...As Christians....

We trust that the Bible was inspired by the Spirit of God as it was being written by men...

Whoa nelliee-e-ee!!!!

Doesn't that ultimately imply that...
Piers Morgan is smarter than God!?!?

Who knew?????
(...um....besides PM and CNN)

/sarc

22 posted on 12/28/2012 1:02:25 PM PST by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: Kaslin

Say what? Is Piers (Wharves, Docks?) trying to outdo Chris Tingles as a leftist loon?


23 posted on 12/28/2012 1:20:47 PM PST by windsorknot
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To: Kaslin
Piers must believe that the Scriptures are a human creation without any connection to a deity. The idea that people could admend the Scriptures shows an ignorance that is beyond belief. Whether you want to follow the teachings of Scripture or not is an individual choice, but the idea that if you don't like something that Scriptures teach that you simply admend the Scriptures is an absurd view. Piers real concern is that people still believe that the Bible is relevant and try to live by its teachings.
24 posted on 12/28/2012 1:47:41 PM PST by Nemoque
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To: lurk
Warren’s answers to Morgan were wrong all over. He doesn’t know his Bible.

Judging from his comments on the Bible and slavery, I would definitely agree.

25 posted on 12/28/2012 2:33:59 PM PST by BearArms
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To: Kaslin

The Bible has been ammended repeatedly throughout history. Books have fallen in and out of favor, passages inserted, passages deleted, books and stories combined...


26 posted on 12/28/2012 3:56:25 PM PST by Ophiucus
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To: lurk
Warren’s answers to Morgan were wrong all over. He doesn’t know his Bible.

Morgan should have been interviewing Joel Osteen. Now, there's a guy who knows how to hem and haw and try to please everybody.

27 posted on 12/28/2012 5:18:03 PM PST by Graybeard58 ("Civil rights” leader and MSNB-Hee Haw host Al Sharpton - Larry Elder)
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To: Kaslin
There’s an old saying, “Those the gods would destroy, they first make mad.” It appears Pier Morgan is on his way to that final appointment. I suggest we deport him to some village in Africa that’s lot their idiot. He can self-destruct there and no one will know or care.
28 posted on 12/29/2012 12:06:15 AM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: Kaslin

Moses would have laughed in that man’s face,you don’t change what God asked.Whether or not the Prophet got everything down before,his story being based on real facts.....his message should not be touched.

He went through a crucible to save his people,stood up to a tyrant and led them to a promised land.His works are as untouchable as anyone else in history.


29 posted on 12/29/2012 12:39:22 AM PST by Del Rapier
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