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Obama NOT Offering 'New' Fiscal Cliff Proposal, Could Demand Up-Or-Down Vote On Plan
Business Insider ^ | 12/28/2012 | Brett LoGiurato

Posted on 12/28/2012 1:41:14 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Contrary to reports earlier in the day, President Barack Obama is not offering a "new" proposal to avert the year-end fiscal cliff during a meeting at the White House today.

Rather, Obama is reiterating previous positions on income-tax rates and other components of the cliff, Reuters reports.

He will ask Congressional leaders at the meeting for a concrete counterproposal. If there is none, he will ask for an up-or-down vote on his plan in Congress.

At 3:10 p.m., Obama began his meeting at the White House with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, House Speaker John Boehner and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi.

The meeting comes after a frantic day in fiscal-cliff negotiations on Thursday, during which reports of a new offer from President Obama to Senate Republicans was quickly shot down by the White House and Democratic aides.

Boehner also called the House back for a rare Sunday session. Boehner spokesman Brendan Buck said last night that Boehner plans to push his message that the onus is now on the Senate.

"Speaker Boehner will attend a meeting with congressional leaders at the White House, where he will continue to stress that the House has already passed legislation to avert the entire fiscal cliff and now the Senate must act," Buck said.

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: congress; fiscalcliff; obama

1 posted on 12/28/2012 1:41:24 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Back to the golf course.


2 posted on 12/28/2012 1:50:05 PM PST by Argus
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To: SeekAndFind

I would prefer to go over the cliff rather than dance to Obama’s tune. He is the one bankrupting America. The GOP don’t have to help him!


3 posted on 12/28/2012 1:50:39 PM PST by mtnwmn (Liberalism leads to Socialism)
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To: SeekAndFind

One proposal, with the same two predications - raise taxes on the top two brackets, to punitive levels, and give the White House unilateral authority to raise the debt limit at his discretion.

Nothing is changed. To give in on this is to hand the matches and flame accelerant to the avowed arsonist.


4 posted on 12/28/2012 1:50:45 PM PST by alloysteel (Bronco Bama - the cowboy who whooped up and widened the stampede.)
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To: SeekAndFind

good! I hope he throws a hissy fit and makes a big ass out of himself and still go over the cliff.

What a joke he is


5 posted on 12/28/2012 1:50:56 PM PST by WorkerbeeCitizen (reasonable gun control is hitting what you aim for)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Demand” all ya want, Barqy.

We know, really we do, that you WANT the “cliff”, you want to bring the country down.

It’s very hard for most people who are not attuned to accept that, but maybe, maybe, eventually they’ll see the truth.


6 posted on 12/28/2012 1:51:32 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: SeekAndFind

No sweat—It’s only “the rich” that will be hurt when the country goes over the cliff, right?


7 posted on 12/28/2012 1:51:52 PM PST by Arm_Bears (Ted Kennedy's Oldsmobile has killed more people than my guns.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Der Fuehrer wants to FUNDAMENTALLY TRANSFORM the United States. You think he wants to make a deal?


8 posted on 12/28/2012 1:51:52 PM PST by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: SeekAndFind

The champion of the “middle class.”

So we’re all rich now, even the fools who thought they were going to get more free stuff now get a tax tack hammer to the teeth.


9 posted on 12/28/2012 1:54:01 PM PST by Reagan Disciple (Peace through Strength)
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To: SeekAndFind

Of course there is no “plan” just positions on a couple issues.


10 posted on 12/28/2012 1:54:15 PM PST by John W (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen

A real leader brings people together to accomplish things, not break them apart. Obama is an epic failure.


11 posted on 12/28/2012 1:58:53 PM PST by Starboard
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To: SeekAndFind

Heads he wins, tails we lose....................


12 posted on 12/28/2012 1:59:52 PM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Red Badger

The REAL hope is that Obama goes off a cliff......


13 posted on 12/28/2012 2:02:17 PM PST by traditional1 (Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Obama and the marxists screwed this pooch, let them figure out how to unscrew it.

Go over the cliff and no extension of the unemployment and no increase in the debt limit. Shut down non essential government services.

Once a proper budget has been submitted by the administration we can start to discuss which non essential services we want to bring back online and which should be discontinued. No more pork barrel, green projects, foreign aid, or other wasting of the people's funds.

14 posted on 12/28/2012 2:05:26 PM PST by oldbrowser (They are marxists, don't call them democrats)
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To: alloysteel

“Nothing is changed. To give in on this is to hand the matches and flame accelerant to the avowed arsonist.”

You got that right. I dare say that it’s to hand a communist a flamethrower to thoroughly and quickly destroy and dispose of this Republic.


15 posted on 12/28/2012 2:05:59 PM PST by melancholy (Professor Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist, Ph.D. in L0w and H0lder)
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To: Starboard

Failure is defined by goals. His goal of bringing this country to its knees while the GOP gets the blame is his goal.

He is laughing at the GOPe because they are doing all the work for him. He has not missed one tee time or talk show due to having to work overtime to bring the greatest nation ever to its end.

Boehner and McConnell are his personal useful idiots.


16 posted on 12/28/2012 2:06:44 PM PST by nomobs
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To: SeekAndFind

How can he ask Congress for an up or down vote on his ‘plan’? Wouldn’t they have to write a bill first? Throwing the Constitution out the window and using new rules has me all confused.


17 posted on 12/28/2012 2:09:54 PM PST by sheana
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To: SeekAndFind

I hope Boehner goes straight to the press and tells them that ultumatums aren’t negotiation and won’t work.

If Obama persists with his classless demeaning behavior toward Republicans (a certainty) Boehner should cancel the SOTU address. PLEASE!


18 posted on 12/28/2012 2:10:01 PM PST by Ford4000
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To: traditional1

No chance of that. The MSM will catch him like a mosh pit....................


19 posted on 12/28/2012 2:11:00 PM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: John W
"Of course there is no “plan” just positions on a couple issues."

Maybe some useless White Papers issued...

That would be really helpful./sarc

20 posted on 12/28/2012 2:11:27 PM PST by hummingbird (Support Hummingbird Migration!)
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To: Reagan Disciple

The champion of the “middle class.”

So we’re all rich now, even the fools who thought they were going to get more free stuff now get a tax tack hammer to the teeth.

**
Oh, YEA — I can just see it now — more tax evasion than you can shake a stick at.

One question...will the “poor” still receive their earned income tax credits?


21 posted on 12/28/2012 2:12:23 PM PST by LibsRJerks
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To: John W

John W ~:” Of course there is no “plan” just positions on a couple issues.”

Exactly !!
Both of the positions will take us closer to the brink of bankruptcy
And the Press / Lamestreamedia will back HIM , and not logical thought.
And the Republicans will end up fighting amongst themselves in complete disaray
He doesn’t want resolution ~ he wants CATASTROPHY
It’s HIS way ,.. or the highway (adolescent behavior / tantrum )

The tip off of the plan was when Hary Reid complained that Boehner was operating a “dictatorship’ on the issue.
Harry should be the last one to call someone else a dictator !!


22 posted on 12/28/2012 2:13:10 PM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt (Disclaimer - the opinions above merely reflect the writers restricted ability to observe reality)
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To: SeekAndFind

Counter with

- Eliminate Bush tax rate reductions

- Balanced Budget Amendment to Constitution

Once budget amendment is passed, then increase tax rates.


23 posted on 12/28/2012 2:13:40 PM PST by mpreston
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To: SeekAndFind

And, yet again, the pubbies hand over control of the conversation to the pretender and his minions.

Boehner hasn’t got the spine to do what needs to be done, and the rest of the pubbie cabal enable his weakness.

Pass a damn BUDGET, balanced to anticipated receipts (NO deficit). Pass a bill to make permanent the current tax rates, including the capital gains rates. Eliminate the inheritance tax.

Put those in place in the House. Call a press conference, and hand them over to the Senate for their (democrat controlled) action. Make a huge show out of it. Talk up the fiscal responsibility of the bills, and the fact that this is the best medicine for our irresponsible government spending.
Keep pubbie after pubbie in front of TV cameras and Radio microphones everywhere, all singing the same tune, “Here you go, Democrats. Now, the Senate can do an up-or-down vote for Zero and the 0bamunists.”

Keep the heat on the socialists. Make them the bad guy. Answer EVERY argument, with the facts and the truth...but, ANSWER EVERY ONE.
Stay in front of the cameras, in the press, on the radio. If the commies want a fight, then GIVE THEM A FIGHT.

Why do I have this sinking feeling that no one in a position of influence has the stomach for this fight?


24 posted on 12/28/2012 2:15:20 PM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Still seeking change.)
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To: Starboard

That is the quote of the year. Should have been a theme of the election year.


25 posted on 12/28/2012 2:16:05 PM PST by ilgipper (Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)
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To: Ford4000

Ford4000 ~:” I hope Boehner goes straight to the press and tells them that ultumatums aren’t negotiation and won’t work.”

there , I fixed it :” I hope Boehner goes straight to the press and tells them that ultumatums and adolescent tnatrums aren’t negotiation and won’t work.”


26 posted on 12/28/2012 2:17:13 PM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt (Disclaimer - the opinions above merely reflect the writers restricted ability to observe reality)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Demand” away @$$hat!

What are your other dictatorial commands?


27 posted on 12/28/2012 2:18:38 PM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

Harry projects his own behavior on others so often you can set your watch by it.


28 posted on 12/28/2012 2:20:06 PM PST by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: SeekAndFind

I think that very darned little ever reaches the “frantic” stage in Washington.

I hope Boehner and the pubs don’t cave. If they are going to be “blamed” for something, might as well make it worth their while.

I’m not holding my breath, naturally. Besides, the actual “deal” will occur after New Year and be retroactive at least in some parts, IMO.


29 posted on 12/28/2012 2:20:16 PM PST by prairiebreeze (Don't be afraid to see what you see. -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: mtnwmn

mtnwmn~:” I would prefer to go over the cliff rather than dance to Obama’s tune. He is the one bankrupting America. The GOP don’t have to help him!”

Zero makes Machiavelli look like a saint.
At least Benedict Arnold had leadership , and had performed service for this country .. Zero hasn’t !


30 posted on 12/28/2012 2:23:44 PM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt (Disclaimer - the opinions above merely reflect the writers restricted ability to observe reality)
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To: SeekAndFind

He wants the country to go over the cliff, then sit back while the Republicans get blamed. If it turns out that people start blaming him instead, he’ll come to the table with a serious offer.

It’s as simple as that.


31 posted on 12/28/2012 2:40:19 PM PST by Deo volente (God willing, America shall survive this Obamanation.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Aks, demand, throw a hissy fit Obamaumau.
Who cares what you think.


32 posted on 12/28/2012 2:43:53 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: MrB
It’s very hard for most people who are not attuned to accept that, but maybe, maybe, eventually they’ll see the truth.

Its really disheartening to watch the pundints, even on Fox, prattle on and on about, "If only he would do such and such...things would get better." WAKE UP! He doesn't want things better. He wants them worse to the extent that the country collapses and in the midst of the chaos the all powerful Government can step in and take over total control.Its an old tactic that has worked before in dozens of nations on millions of willing morons. BOHICA!

33 posted on 12/28/2012 3:03:25 PM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Deo volente

This suggests a way the pubs could get to Obama: Reject his pretensions to kingship. Quit attending his press conferences, cancel the SOTU, don’t take his midnight phone calls, call BS on his BS - retaliate in a word. It will drive him crazy and he will start acting crazy.


34 posted on 12/28/2012 3:18:59 PM PST by Ford4000
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To: SeekAndFind

Let’s do an up-or-down vote on whether we send Army Airborne or Marines to remove Buckwheat from our Whitehouse.


35 posted on 12/28/2012 4:34:13 PM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: SeekAndFind

He wants - needs - far greater federal revenue. Being a Leftist, he cannot conceive of any other way than to raise taxes. The “soak the rich” meme is palatable to the public but insufficient to his goals. An amazing opportunity has appeared: everyone’s taxes will rise and be can blame it on his opponents! Lots of new revenue and political capital acquired. Just fake negotiations, and get stuck with just what he wanted.

Follow the money.


36 posted on 12/28/2012 4:36:19 PM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Tell BHO and the DemoNazis to go away. We can’t afford to go with their lame plan or lack thereof.

The first thing that needs to be done is to tie the Debt Ceiling to whatever deal that is to be done. Second, tax cuts to bring spending back to 2007 levels, and third extend the tax rates as they currently are. That should fix the economy.

The GOP needs to realize they are currently in a position of strength.


37 posted on 12/28/2012 5:41:29 PM PST by KwHorn77 (The GOP needs to get some Nads.)
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To: nomobs

Failure is defined by goals. His goal of bringing this country to its knees while the GOP gets the blame is his goal.
*******
You’re right of course. The Blamer-in-Chief’s agenda is to deconstruct this once great country. And I would add that he has a still powerful media propaganda machine helping him do it. It’s also quite obvious that he is purposely dividing the country so in that sense I would argue that he has sown the seeds of his own failure — to achieve his malevolent schemes. IMHO a severely polarized and divided country will shatter into a completely disfunctional and unmanageable state. What happens when, inevitably, there’s not enough makers left to take care of the legions of demanding takers? It’s not going to be the happy ending Obama envisions.


38 posted on 12/29/2012 8:12:28 AM PST by Starboard
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To: ilgipper

That is the quote of the year.
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Thanks. I’m thankful that Obama lacks real leadership and mangement skills. If he had them, he could do a lot more damage to the country. He’s just a radical community organizer recklessly sowing the seeds of his own destruction IMO.


39 posted on 12/29/2012 8:17:31 AM PST by Starboard
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To: Starboard
One of 0bama's alter egos:
40 posted on 12/29/2012 8:24:50 AM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: combat_boots
"Care for a jellybaby?"
41 posted on 12/29/2012 8:53:07 AM PST by Jonah Hex ("To Serve Manatee" is a cookbook!)
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