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Obama to Congress: The Time For Immediate Action on Fiscal Cliff is Now
Townhall.com ^ | December 28, 2012 | Leah Barkoukis

Posted on 12/28/2012 4:21:15 PM PST by Kaslin

So how did the last-ditch fiscal cliff meeting go this afternoon? Not great. President Obama again put forth the scaled-back version of the proposal he pitched last week.

A source familiar with the meeting told CNBC that Obama was not making a new offer; just laying out what he thinks can pass the House and Senate. That includes keeping the tax cut for those making up to $250,000 and an extension of unemployment insurance for 2 million people. He will then ask the participants what they are willing to support, and if they don't have a counterproposal that can pass the House and the Senate he will ask for an up or down vote.

President Obama held a brief press conference after the talks, calling the meeting “good and constructive” and that he’s “modestly optimistic” that an agreement may still be able to be reached in time. One of the points he highlighted during the presser was that he’ll let Sens. Reid and McConnell try to reach a deal on the income threshold for tax hikes but if they don’t reach an agreement, the president said he will “urge Senator Reid to bring to the floor a basic package for an up or down vote – one that protects the middle class from an income tax hike, extends the vital lifeline of unemployment insurance to 2 million Americans looking for a job and lays the groundwork for future cooperation on more economic growth and deficit reduction.”

Senate leaders are in last-minute bipartisan ‘cliff’ talks with the White House this evening.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial
KEYWORDS: 112th; fiscalcliff; fisclcliff
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1 posted on 12/28/2012 4:21:18 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

How do you have more economic growth and deficit reduction when none has been seen so far?


2 posted on 12/28/2012 4:25:10 PM PST by Ingtar (Everyone complains about the weather, but only Liberals try to legislate it.)
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To: Kaslin
The DemocRAT Kneejerk "Crisis" Chant

What do we want?!

Higher taxes on "the rich!

When do we want it?!

Now!!!

Just don't you dare try to raise MY taxes!

3 posted on 12/28/2012 4:26:14 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (U.S. elections have become nothing but another cheap ripoff of American Idol.)
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To: Kaslin

The time for throwing socialists off the cliff is NOW.

“Socialism Is Legal Plunder” - Bastiat


4 posted on 12/28/2012 4:28:58 PM PST by PGalt
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To: Kaslin

Bane 0bama speaks.


5 posted on 12/28/2012 4:28:58 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: Kaslin

How about tossing Boehner over the Cliff?


6 posted on 12/28/2012 4:31:28 PM PST by ZULU (See video: http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-first-siege-of-vienna.html)
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To: Kaslin
“urge Senator Reid to bring to the floor a basic package for an up or down vote – one that protects the middle class from an income tax hike, extends the vital lifeline of unemployment insurance to 2 million Americans looking for a job and lays the groundwork for future cooperation on more economic growth and deficit reduction.”

For an encore, Sen. Reid will walk on water.

7 posted on 12/28/2012 4:33:31 PM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Kaslin
extends the vital lifeline of unemployment insurance to 2 million Americans looking for a job

Gotta keep paying people not to work, dontchaknow.

This is insane.

From 2008-2012, almost 3/4 of a Trillion dollars has been paid to be people TO NOT WORK.

I understand the whole lifeline of unemployment insurance. I get it. But what that well intended "helping hand" has morphed into is beyond reasonable. Now, when the "99ners" unemployment runs out, they go on Social Security Disability.

8.8 Million Americans Receiving Disability Benefits

This makes me want to scream. We CANNOT keep doing this.

8 posted on 12/28/2012 4:33:45 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Kaslin
I hear he gave marching order to Reid to vote on something. ARE THESE PEOPLE SUCH MORONS TO IGNORE THAT PART ABOUT ALL TAX BILLS ORIGINATING IN THE HOUSE?

I am looking for Obama to issue an EO raising taxes on the "rich" after Congress fails. Think I am joking??? The White Hut clown has already proved to America what he thinks of the Constitution and coequal branches of the Fed Gov. IT's COMING and clown Zero doesn't care that it would clearly be illegal - what will the GOP do about it?? HE knows that he now owns Chief Justice in the SCOTUS. There will be a lot of huffing and puffing and by the GOP then it dies in the public eyes after they are all happy that their clown did what he promised and was reelected by them to do - raise taxes on the wealthy (really is just a part of his wealth redistribution scheme). What happened to the crimes of Fast & Furious and Benghazi - did the GOP "successfully" go after clown, and what effect did it have on the Nov election?

We are sooooo screwed I cannot even imagine what is coming in the next 48 months. And don't suggest there will be a revolution - never ever gonna happen with today's culture - never. AND NEVER is a fairly strong word.
9 posted on 12/28/2012 4:36:14 PM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Kaslin

Hey, why doesn’t congress extend unemployment welfare to encourage people to remain unemployed?
Now there’s a brilliant idea for reducing the deficit.


10 posted on 12/28/2012 4:37:36 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Kaslin

This is like an arsonist calling the fire department “Hey! Where are you guys?”


11 posted on 12/28/2012 4:38:44 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: Kaslin

blow it out your butt


12 posted on 12/28/2012 4:40:01 PM PST by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now and in the future)
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To: Kaslin

His intended action? “JUMP!”


13 posted on 12/28/2012 4:41:11 PM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This is like an arsonist calling the fire department “Hey! Where are you guys?”

Great and fitting analogy.

14 posted on 12/28/2012 4:45:33 PM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: Kaslin

No extension of unemployment benefits. This is Santa Claus stuff.

If you haven’t been able to find a job in two years then you obviously don’t want or need a job. No more taxpayer funded welfare for you.


15 posted on 12/28/2012 4:46:42 PM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: Kaslin

No budget has been passed in four years. Resign Soetoro, ya lazy POS.


16 posted on 12/28/2012 4:47:45 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: Cheerio

Whatever you imagine.... I think it will be much worse. Much, much worse. Not only are things bad the perception that they are bad and getting worse is with us.

I think we are well and truly screwed. Don’t know about y’all but I’m back home for Christmas and I see nothing but people just slogging through the day. Uncertainty my FRiends makes for worse times than really being bad. It is bigger than that though. It is bad, not getting better AND there is uncertainty.

Uncertainty is what the SOB in the white hut wants. Add to his desire all the crazed plans of his commie and liberal loon friends and we are well and truly in the crapper. We aren’t coming out for years and years and years if we come out then. When we do come out we are going to be far far behind our global competition. it will take a Marshall plan like effort to dig us out and there is nobody who is going to do that for us.


17 posted on 12/28/2012 4:50:02 PM PST by Sequoyah101
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To: Kaslin

I seem to remember the same lecture EVERY year when I was a teenager.

Did you finish that project yet?
No, but I have all summer to do it.

Come School opening eve guess who is working on that project.
And in those days no computer etc to do your research.

These foolz have been in power 4 years (God, it seems like I have had to listen to this idiot BO bloviate for at least 20 years and it has only been 4) and have yet to pass a Budget - other than an across the board sweep UPWARDS, hired more people without authorization (other than I am pResident and have an open account for staff (CZARS)) and come no where near getting any real work done.
Now, we have a ‘countdown clock on the idiot box’ warning us of dire straits we will be in and YET heard no LOUD demands for a yearly tally.

And this bunch of fools not only got voted back in but the ‘other guys’ got even ‘stronger’.

Scary


18 posted on 12/28/2012 4:50:29 PM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: xrmusn

Some work is getting done. Obama cut his vacation short to do some work in Washington. He issued an executive order for raising the pay of federal workers, including congress and VP Biden. Hey, they have to offset those higher taxes they’ll pay! (uh what about the rest of us...)


19 posted on 12/28/2012 5:11:20 PM PST by roadcat
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To: Kaslin
“We will not, never, no way ever ever vote for tax increases on ANYBODY!!! So eat poop and drop dead Boehner!”

-The US House TEA Party caucus.

20 posted on 12/28/2012 5:17:43 PM PST by Happy Rain ("Banning the 2nd Amendment over Adam Lanza would be like banning the 1st Amendment over Bill Maher.")
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To: Kaslin
What Obama is counting on is for the Republicans in the House to fold and vote in a tax increase for the job creators. If he's successful, not only will the media pound away on Republicans as being hypocritical, but they will also blame Republicans for the certain future result of such tax increases, an even worse economy.

Why is there no strong voice representing the Republican Party and going after these delusional beliefs of the Socialists? Taxing job creators will do nothing to pay down the deficit, instead accomplishing the opposite. And why is no one speaking to the huge tax increase already scheduled on the "Middle Class" in the form of Obamacare?

The best hand the Republican Party has as a Party and for the Country is to stand by Conservative principles and not vote for any tax increase.

21 posted on 12/28/2012 5:33:54 PM PST by Rational Thought
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To: upchuck
If you haven’t been able to find a job in two years then you obviously don’t want or need a job.

Either that or the administration doesn't want you to find a job.

Which is it?

22 posted on 12/28/2012 5:35:14 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Lancey Howard

Why go to work at all. Just extend unemployment until they are 70 and then put them on Social Security.

That’s pretty much welfare instead of unemployment.

It’s what 53% of Americans want.


23 posted on 12/28/2012 5:38:39 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Kaslin

These are the same sorry ass bastards that tell us we have to file our income taxes on time.

F U B O !!


24 posted on 12/28/2012 6:09:23 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: roadcat

Some work is getting done?
“they” have done NO work for the last 4 years.

Cut his vacation short?
What better way to get to fly back to DC and not have to listen to the ‘little (ha) woman’.

Executive Order to spend money?
Thought Congress had to instigate/approve Federal spending.
Like joebama isn’t grossly overpaid now.


25 posted on 12/28/2012 6:13:08 PM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: ZULU

Why blame Boehner? The House put a budget up month ago. Harry Reid hasn’t put a budget up for 1300 days. Put the blame on him and the rats, not on Boehner


26 posted on 12/28/2012 6:27:11 PM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them.)
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To: combat_boots

He wants it his way or the highway


27 posted on 12/28/2012 6:33:24 PM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them.)
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To: xrmusn
Some work is getting done?

No, no, no. You misconstrued my statement. All the "work" they do is to line their own wallets. Obama rushed back for this executive order to raise the pay of his buddies. They're supposed to work for the public; the truth is they work for themselves. Of course they do no work for us, none whatsoever in the last 4 years. But they work hard to get perks, cover their tracks and mislead the idiots who vote them back into office. Time for a revolution to throw them out.

28 posted on 12/28/2012 6:48:40 PM PST by roadcat
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To: Kaslin

Well, of course they are to blame. But Boehner has been a surrender monkey to the Rats for far too long. Removing the conservatives from fiscal committeeships, helping craft the bill to set up a Secret Committee to deal with the fiscal mess, stating Obamacare is now the law of the land instead of stating he would fight it by cutting off funding to the bill, etc.

Boehner is a loser and MUST go!!


29 posted on 12/28/2012 6:54:21 PM PST by ZULU (See video: http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-first-siege-of-vienna.html)
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To: Cheerio
Well the House put up a budget month ago. That arrogant pos occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave and the rats ignored it. Reid hasn't put one up in over 1300 days.

No I don't think you are joking. He'll do the same thing he did during the health care debacle. It's either his way or the highway

30 posted on 12/28/2012 6:58:46 PM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them.)
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To: Happy Rain

Don’t put the blame on Boehner. Put it were it belongs. Harry Reid and the Senate. The House put a budget up month ago, Reid hasn’t put one up in over 1300 days.


31 posted on 12/28/2012 7:29:02 PM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them.)
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To: Kaslin

Listen, you two-bit, phony, dictator!

Your budget proposals have been so bad, they haven’t received a single vote in the Senate, and the Senate, for it’s part, hasn’t passed a budget in over 3 years.

So, who the hell do you think you are to come strolling in from another of your many multi-million dollar vacations, dictating to Congress, as to what they “must do”?

The Congress has passed multiple budgets, while you and your irresponsible Senate, have sat back, whining to Congress to have them bring you another rock.


32 posted on 12/28/2012 8:30:18 PM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: roadcat

. You misconstrued my statement. All the “work” they do is to line their own wallets....
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Didn’t really misconstrue....I definitely agree and also last sentence should be what happens prior to a mass sentencing for the whole lot of them....

D’s + R’s + I’s + L’s = CROOKS/FELONS....

Leavenworth isn’t big enough for all of them, maybe we need our own “Devils Island” and let them have at EACH OTHER.

Let the rest of the dissidents or those NOT HAPPY here go back to their ‘supposed home of origin’, expense paid, one way tickets...President Monroe had the right idea, just didn’t get it carried out, up to us to include all the others, not matter what Race, Creed or Religion and offer 1 way tickets....


33 posted on 12/28/2012 8:37:40 PM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: G Larry

“hasn’t passed a budget in over 3 years.” It’ll be 4 come January. A full term without a budget.


34 posted on 12/28/2012 9:04:35 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (q\\)
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To: Kaslin

Congress better return to ‘regular order’ or there’s going to be a revolution in this country ...


35 posted on 12/28/2012 9:08:26 PM PST by 11th_VA (Keep your laws OFF my Big Gulp !)
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To: Kaslin

Run out the clock and then put the same proposal on the table hoping the Republicans will be in a panic to pass SOMETHING-ANYTHING. Perhaps the Democrats understand the RINO mindset.


36 posted on 12/29/2012 4:50:02 AM PST by HarleyD
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To: Kaslin
Boner and the boys have GOT TO STOP passing Continuing Resolutions and STARVE THE BEAST that refuses to pass budgets and then stands in front of the nation BLAMING REPUBLICANS. The GOP has the absolute financial power - NOW USE IT. Your are screwed and blamed anyway - it cannot get any worse, what the clown has planned for destruction of the opposition party.
37 posted on 12/29/2012 7:09:25 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Cheerio
The GOP has the absolute financial power -

We would if we also had the majority in the Senate instead of only the House. The Congress consists of both the House and the Senate for your information.

I thought as a conservative you would know that

38 posted on 12/29/2012 7:20:17 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them.)
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To: Kaslin

The cliff is phony as American money.


39 posted on 12/29/2012 7:23:56 AM PST by bmwcyle (We have gone over the cliff and we are about to hit the bottom)
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To: Kaslin
Why blame Boehner?

1) He and the House continued to fund the Fed Gov through Continuing Resolutions because there are no appropriations bills because the Senate refuses to pass the guidance of a BUDGET.

2) Round one for Boner ended in a horrible failure because he is a horrendous negotiator. Anyone remember the 1st CR after the 2010 GOP sweep? The GOP pledged to cut $100 BILLION when running for election - Boner comes out and brags about what a good deal he got during CR neg with the Won. In the end it was estimated to amount to $353 MILLION, not $38 BILLION LIKE HE TOLD THE SHEEPLE.

CBO: Budget deal cuts this fiscal year's deficit by just $353 million, not $38 billion touted
http://www.blogrunner.com/snapshot/D/2/3/cbo_budget_deal_cuts_this_fiscal_years_deficit_by_just_353_million_not_38_billion_touted/

There were NO CUTS - ONLY REDUCTIONS IN GROWTH IS CONSIDERED CUTS IN THE DISTRICT OF CORRUPTION.
40 posted on 12/29/2012 7:30:20 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: bmwcyle

Amen.


41 posted on 12/29/2012 7:31:33 AM PST by John W (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Kaslin
The GOP has the absolute financial power -

As a conservative I am absolutel aware the HOUSE is where the Appropriation bills originate as well as raising the debt ceilting. BONER by himeself without the Senate or the Pres can refuse to feed the beast - BY HIMSELF. NEWT DID IT.
42 posted on 12/29/2012 7:34:18 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Cheerio
Full Text of the Constitution

Section 7. All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.

Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States

Since dingy Harry has refused to even put up the House bill for consideration it can not go forward.

And like I said before Congress consists of the House of Representatives and the Senate

43 posted on 12/29/2012 7:53:57 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them.)
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To: bmwcyle
The cliff is phony as American money.

No, the cliff is as phony as Obama.
44 posted on 12/29/2012 9:37:02 AM PST by aruanan
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To: G Larry
Listen, you two-bit, phony, dictator!

Now, now .... no need for abuse. I'm sure his dictatorial intentions are quite genuine and heartfelt.
< /s>

45 posted on 12/29/2012 11:06:42 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Ingtar

Face it folks; no politician in either party thinks we can ever balance the budget again. If they did they would not be engaged in bitter battles about how to shave a mere $200 Billion off a deficit that totals $1002 Billion. What about the fiscal cliff which both sides fear like it was Armageddon? It only reduces the red ink by $464 Billion leaving a hole of more than half a Trillion dollars. If cutting spending and increasing revenues enough to reduce the deficit to $538 Billion will crash the economy and send us all to financial ruin how in the hell can we ever get it to zero?


46 posted on 12/29/2012 11:09:34 AM PST by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: Kaslin
(Article)
One of the points he highlighted during the presser was that he’ll let Sens. Reid and McConnell try to reach a deal ..... [Emphasis supplied.]

Calculated to make Boehner look small and inconsequential.

I'll bet you feel good about all that negotiating-with-yourself and bending-over-backwards to reach a deal now, don't you, Mr. Speaker?

P.S. -- Toldja.

47 posted on 12/29/2012 11:11:57 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: JCBreckenridge
“hasn’t passed a budget in over 3 years.” It’ll be 4 come January. A full term without a budget.

That's because "no budget" works for the Dems -- they can just spend their asses off trying to buy that 51%.

And remember, it was like that, too, when Nancy Pelosi was Speaker, so it has never been about "divided government" and "the Republicans won't deal!" That's eyewash.

"No budget" is the new normal for the Democratic Party. "No Budget" = uncontrolled and uncontrollable spending, dictated from the White House.

48 posted on 12/29/2012 11:21:11 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Kaslin
A source familiar with the meeting told CNBC that Obama was not making a new offer; just laying out what he thinks can pass the House and Senate. That includes keeping the tax cut for those making up to $250,000 and an extension of unemployment insurance for 2 million people. He will then ask the participants what they are willing to support, and if they don't have a counterproposal that can pass the House and the Senate he will ask for an up or down vote.

Barry, Barry, Barry, YOUR job is to execute the laws passed by both houses of Congress or to veto them (subject to an override, because the people, being the real nation, through their representatives in the House, trump the executive branch of the federal government), not to dictate to them how they are to vote or the conditions or the manner under which they will decide something proposed by YOU, including an unconstitutional up or down vote by unconstitutional representatives of the elected representatives or senators of both houses of Congress (more like representatives of the two main political parties in the House and the Senate) to give you something you don't want to get through the normal, Constitutionally-mandated way of doing things.

But, then, Barry, you, like every other statist utopian or run-of-the-mill tyrant that has afflicted humanity, have ALWAYS wanted reality to bend to you, never to accommodate yourself to reality, much like the way your pal Hansen at NASA alters the temperature records for the U.S. and elsewhere to accommodate his beliefs about climate change, though unlike your alacrity to bend over to or for other heads of state.

Your pal, Harry Reid, as though you had no clue, has been blocking any Constitutional way of dealing with the budget and spending and borrowing for four years, so enough with the blame-the-Republicans for your party's own failure, both active and passive, to get the problems fixed that are the result of your own party's failure to hew to the Constitution that you so evidently despise.

Sure, there are whacked-out Republicans, but they are pretty much kindergarten students compared to you Democrats who are operating at the post-doctoral level of fiscal irresponsibility. Our system isn't broken. It's just that there are some people, like you, Barry, who don't want to follow the system. You F_ _ _ everything up, propose other Constitutionally-alien nostrums to fix it, and then blame the system for it all. Well, the words of Reagan continue to ring true: "Government is not the solution to our problem. Government IS the problem."

The problem is not that there isn't enough tax revenue. The problem is that spending vastly exceeds revenue. The reality is that spending can always vastly exceed revenue in the same way that an individual's desires can vastly exceed his own resources to realize them. The problem is that you want to use OUR resources to realize YOUR political fantasies. And that's why the Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution--to limit the federal government so that the fruit of the people's lives and livelihoods wouldn't be plundered by their new government as they were plundered by the old one. But you and other dirigists of both parties--but mostly your party--have managed to succeed in this monumental failure beyond the Founders' wildest nightmares.

So, Barry, since you, yourself, want to BE the government, as seen in your disregard of the Constitution and your unilateralist approach to impose through executive orders and regulatory fiddling what is denied to you by Congress, it is evident that YOU are the problem.
49 posted on 12/29/2012 11:22:02 AM PST by aruanan
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To: aruanan

No, I am right and we will find out soon.


50 posted on 12/29/2012 11:23:52 AM PST by bmwcyle (We have gone over the cliff and we are about to hit the bottom)
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