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Purported Plea from Chinese labor camp found in Halloween decorations
Fox News ^ | Dec. 26, 2012 | Greg Norman

Posted on 12/28/2012 7:05:25 PM PST by PanzerKardinal

An Oregon woman who found a Chinese laborer's plea for help hidden in a box of Halloween decorations says she thinks the letter, which describes brutal conditions inside a work camp, is authentic.

Julie Keith, 42, of Portland, bought a Halloween graveyard kit from Kmart last year and tucked it away in a storage box. When she opened the kit this October, she found the letter tucked in between two Stryofoam headstones.

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Sir:

If you occasionally buy this product, please kindly resend this letter to the World Human Right Organization. Thousands people here who are under the persicution [sic] of the Chinese Communist Party Government will thank and remember you forever.

This product produced by Unit 8, Department 2, Mashanjla Labour Camp, Shen Young, Liaoning, China.

People who work here have to work 15 hours a day without Saturday (or) Sunday break and any holidays, otherwise they will suffer torturement [sic], beat and rude remark, nearly no payment (10 Yuan/one month).

People who work here suffer punishment 1-3 years averagelly [sic], but without court sentence. Many of them are Falun Gong practitioners who are totally innocent people. Only because they have different believe [sic] to the CCPG, they often suffer more punishment than others.

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So when you buy that shirt for $4.99, you might want to think about who made it.
1 posted on 12/28/2012 7:05:36 PM PST by PanzerKardinal
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To: PanzerKardinal
I'd bet the clothes on my back that the letter is authentic.I'd also make the same wager that that's the lot of the overwhelming majority of China's workers...China's people.Yes,there are 500 billionaires and 100,000 millionaires in China today but I've been there...recently.In fact,I've been to the one of the most prosperous parts of the country,the region within an hour or so of Hong Kong and my travels suggest to me that,even there,the huge majority of people live like animals.

I always look at a product's country of origin before I buy and I often,but not always,say "no" to Chinese made goods.

2 posted on 12/28/2012 7:13:45 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (When Robbing Peter To Pay Paul,One Can Always Count On Paul's Cooperation)
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To: PanzerKardinal

Ice Homeland Security looking into it? They can’t even keep the illegals from walking across our borders. They are not even the right agency, it’s not our country.

Whatha?


3 posted on 12/28/2012 7:31:10 PM PST by Beowulf9
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To: PanzerKardinal

I’m massively skeptical of this.


4 posted on 12/28/2012 7:38:04 PM PST by gura (If Allah is so great, why does he need fat sexually confused fanboys to do his dirty work? -iowahawk)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Ping.


5 posted on 12/28/2012 7:42:10 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Beowulf9

Your country isn’t really your country, according to “your” government. It might be more China’s country by now.


6 posted on 12/28/2012 7:43:30 PM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: gura

Looks like western writing. I don’t think that dirt-floor, sparking-wires sweatshop workers print English that way.


7 posted on 12/28/2012 7:44:54 PM PST by loungitude (The truth hurts.)
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To: gura
"I’m massively skeptical of this."

I'm not. The letter contains Chinese writing that is not translated in the post, however I'll wager it attempts to add clarity in Chinese to what the author assumes may be inadequate English writing.

But, bottom line, I would wager that the letter gains no relief from the slavery that so many Chinese suffer - particularly huge numbers of Christian Chinese.

8 posted on 12/28/2012 7:47:35 PM PST by Ron C.
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To: Gay State Conservative

The grand old unions of the US would, one thinks, at least be making a nominal stink about this.


9 posted on 12/28/2012 7:47:40 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: PanzerKardinal

Of all the world’s hell holes, which are the most hellish?


10 posted on 12/28/2012 7:49:21 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: loungitude; All
I'm surprised someone from Portland would release something harmful to the Communist Party of USA China.
11 posted on 12/28/2012 7:54:00 PM PST by gura (If Allah is so great, why does he need fat sexually confused fanboys to do his dirty work? -iowahawk)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Perhaps Camp 22?
12 posted on 12/28/2012 7:57:29 PM PST by gura (If Allah is so great, why does he need fat sexually confused fanboys to do his dirty work? -iowahawk)
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To: PanzerKardinal

Americans won’t care.

The news won’t care.

Politicians won’t care.

You are assuming Americans have values and strive for the truth, that they still believe in a God, country, and family.


13 posted on 12/28/2012 8:03:12 PM PST by Red6
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To: gura
I'm surprised someone from Portland would release something harmful to the Communist Party of USA China.

Hey,I don't live all that far from Harvard Yard or Wellesley College (think Hillary Clinton) and *I'd* release it.

14 posted on 12/28/2012 8:03:38 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (When Robbing Peter To Pay Paul,One Can Always Count On Paul's Cooperation)
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To: PanzerKardinal

I smell BS on this note. Why would the Chinese take Saturday and Sunday off? That is a western custom.


15 posted on 12/28/2012 8:06:10 PM PST by pfflier
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To: loungitude

The writer is not a factory worker.

The writer is an inmate of a Lao Gai, a “Reform Through Labor” concentration camp.

There are almost 7 million inmate, most are being held for political or religious crimes.

It is not difficult to imagine the writer is a priest or a pastor who learned English by studying the Bible.


16 posted on 12/28/2012 8:07:06 PM PST by PanzerKardinal (Some things are so idiotic only an intellectual would believe it.)
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To: PanzerKardinal

Understood. Good point.


17 posted on 12/28/2012 8:08:13 PM PST by loungitude (The truth hurts.)
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To: pfflier

>>I smell BS on this note. Why would the Chinese take Saturday and Sunday off? That is a western custom.

We don’t know for sure of course, but that is a good catch.

Sunday, or one day a week off for manual workers is pretty typical all over Asia, I think. But Saturday or a second day off - that is not common - more like rare.


18 posted on 12/28/2012 8:13:03 PM PST by expat1000
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To: loungitude

I don’t buy it at all. The woman works for Goodwill and may think that this would help bring the plight of the sweatshop workers in China to the forefront. I am not against it being brought up, but I sincerely doubt this letter came from one of their workers. I realize there would be many bilinguals in China, but the penmanship and so on seems pretty advanced and Americanized. I very well may be wrong. JMHO


19 posted on 12/28/2012 8:14:47 PM PST by ozaukeemom (USA-it was nice while it lasted)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“The grand old unions of the US would, one thinks, at least be making a nominal stink about this.”

Is the USA the world’s policemen about a civil matter? It is none of the business of the USA how a foreign company treats its employees.

If I sign a contract with a company, be it domestic or foreign, to make and deliver to me X number of widgets then as long as that company delivers the product on time and to specs then it is none of my business how that company gets the job done.


20 posted on 12/28/2012 8:17:00 PM PST by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: pfflier

“I smell BS on this note. Why would the Chinese take Saturday and Sunday off? That is a western custom.”

China has adopted a 5 day work week.

Even in the busiest factory, the work week is 5 1/2 days.


21 posted on 12/28/2012 8:17:03 PM PST by PanzerKardinal (Some things are so idiotic only an intellectual would believe it.)
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To: Ron C.
The letter contains Chinese writing that is not translated in the post, however I'll wager it attempts to add clarity in Chinese to what the author assumes may be inadequate English writing.

I believe it's authentic. Those who don't are dramatically under estimating Western Culture's influence in China, Japan, Thailand, etc.. Many grow up learning English as a second language due to our media, movies, etc..

I also think once that letter goes public there's a whole factory in for a world of punishment from the Chinese Government. Most here in the U.S. don't realize that the Chinese Government believes the Chinese people are property of the State. Sadly, many Chinese have resigned themselves to that.

22 posted on 12/28/2012 8:18:37 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: PanzerKardinal

Very interesting. I’ve thought this a time or two about cheap Chinese products ... I’d lay odds the letter is genuine; if not, it’s faked by a Chinese literate person.


23 posted on 12/28/2012 8:19:13 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise
If I sign a contract with a company, be it domestic or foreign, to make and deliver to me X number of widgets then as long as that company delivers the product on time and to specs then it is none of my business how that company gets the job done

One word for you: FOXCONN.

24 posted on 12/28/2012 8:21:15 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

“If I sign a contract with a company, be it domestic or foreign, to make and deliver to me X number of widgets then as long as that company delivers the product on time and to specs then it is none of my business how that company gets the job done.”

I hope this is just bluster and hyperbole, because if you really believe in what you wrote....then I would really question your humanity.


25 posted on 12/28/2012 8:24:05 PM PST by PanzerKardinal (Some things are so idiotic only an intellectual would believe it.)
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To: PanzerKardinal

12/23/12: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2971985/posts


26 posted on 12/28/2012 8:25:48 PM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: usconservative

“FOXCONN”

I’m sorry but that is not a word as far as I know and I have never heard of it. Please enlighten me.


27 posted on 12/28/2012 8:31:03 PM PST by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: PanzerKardinal

“I hope this is just bluster and hyperbole, because if you really believe in what you wrote....then I would really question your humanity.”

Humanity has nothing to do with this situation, unless, of course, you mean that I am supposed to stick my nose into someone else’s business and try to tell them how to run their business.....particularly in a foreign country to whom we happen to owe $16 trillion.

I’m a capitalist. That is the way capitalism works. One contracts out to some other company then the original contractor cannot and should not try to tell that company how to run its business.


28 posted on 12/28/2012 8:37:21 PM PST by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise
Please enlighten me.

Google is your friend. You're a capitalist, I'm sure you know what Google is and if you really don't know FOXCONN then you'd do well to enlighten yourself. I'm sure based on your posts I don't have to do that for you.

29 posted on 12/28/2012 8:41:58 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: PanzerKardinal

Most interesting.


30 posted on 12/28/2012 9:19:52 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: PanzerKardinal

Most interesting.


31 posted on 12/28/2012 9:19:52 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: PanzerKardinal

Most interesting.


32 posted on 12/28/2012 9:20:02 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

Having lived in the Orient for a number of years, working with the locals there, to me the writing does not match what I remember seeing when English is written by someone who usually writes in Chinese or Korean. The letters are too rounded, and the format too casual. I think the letter is a fake written by someone who is honestly trying to draw the attention to something they believe is unjust, but I think it is written by someone raised in the West with knowledge of at least some Chinese.


33 posted on 12/28/2012 9:50:50 PM PST by binreadin
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

“It is none of the business of the USA how a foreign company treats its employees.”

“If I sign a contract with a company, be it domestic or foreign, to make and deliver to me X number of widgets then as long as that company delivers the product on time and to specs then it is none of my business how that company gets the job done.”

Really?? I bet you don’t think China is a vicious Communist Country either. Maybe, you don’t even know what Communism is about.

Well, hang tight...you are going to experience it close up and personal in the next few years. When you fail to confront evil, it ends up on your front porch and staring you in the face.

The American people are fools for letting our politicians kiss up to the Communist Chinese and all of the other dirt bag third world dicatators.

By the way, I really care who makes those widgets...any moral human being should care. Some day this may be an American writing that letter and there will be NO ONE who can do a thing about it.

Communism is really ugly and evil. Enjoy your cheap widgets.


34 posted on 12/28/2012 10:01:20 PM PST by BlessingsofLiberty (Remember Brian Terry...)
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To: Red6

This is our future under the CommieDems. It’s what Soros, Obama, et al crave, gulags and starvation with wild opulence and decadence for the Masters, insulated by the military.

That’s why the push for guns is so critical to them.


35 posted on 12/28/2012 10:01:24 PM PST by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: wac3rd

“This is our future under the CommieDems. It’s what Soros, Obama, et al crave, gulags and starvation with wild opulence and decadence for the Masters, insulated by the military.”

“That’s why the push for guns is so critical to them.”

Bingo....you hit the nail on head.


36 posted on 12/28/2012 10:04:41 PM PST by BlessingsofLiberty (Remember Brian Terry...)
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To: wac3rd
Socialism uses the lie of a free lunch and egalitarianism to push it's agenda. Socialism is not rooted in reality, i.e. natural law or sound accepted economic theory. It doesn't really work all that well as evidenced in the DDR, Cuba, Venezuela, former Soviet Union, pre 1998 China, Romania, under Tito's YU... It generally creates economic malaise. Those arguing for it or convinced of it are buying into an emotional argument that asks one to suspend reason. Unfortunately when reason and emotions collide, emotions tend to get the best of most people, especially when they are dumbed down, apathetic and lazy.

Socialism is in reality all about creating a “ruling class.” Socialist societies have little social mobility and afford those on top of the food chain the assurance that they will remain there (Honiker, Chavez, Castro...). The true forces behind socialism for those that are in positions of power are greed and lust of more power and to remain in it. Industry and business at least in the beginning often largely support the move towards socialism since like those hoping for a free lunch you have a government that promises much. You often get a collusion between government and business where key players make out well at the expense to all others, albeit this fraud is usually not perceived as what it really is, fraud and corruption.

The amazing thing about America is that she is asking for this. America didn't fall into a socialist system through some sort of “Red Dawn” like event, but rather her people are fat, ignorant, divided, lazy and apathetic. They aren't even expensive: a cell phone, extension of unemployment checks, free abortions via health care and you have people stumbling over themselves supporting you. Americans “today” are willing to trade their freedom, their Constitution and Republic which is based on this document, for a small piece of government cheese or the sense of security.

37 posted on 12/29/2012 12:05:32 AM PST by Red6
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To: PanzerKardinal
But that is exactly what we have come too.

Without a true moral compass, in this post American society where people are hyphenated Americans and even the most basic of values have been extinguished, what is left?

Americans don't care about forced abortions where a salt brine is injected into a pregnant woman once discovered that she is violating the one child policy.

They don't care about tanks driving over folks on Tienanmen square, and give China “most favored trade status” anyway.

Americans today are no longer guided by ANY principals and this is evident in their trade, foreign affairs, and security policies, as it is in their national/domestic policies and laws. We'll throw allies of 30+ years under the bus and hedge our bets with the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt when they seem to pick up inertia. Today's America will stand on the sidelines and watch a Rwanda (1994) unfold and do nothing. We are not the same people we were when the Greatest Generation ran the country. Mass immigration and a change in demographics, poor public education, apathy, sloth, lots of hyphenated Americans, the decay of the family, secularization... What do we represent today, what is it that Americans really want? Comfort, convenience, economic security, permissiveness regards sexual, relational, gender and reproductive so called “rights,” no accountability, entertainment, consumerism and easy money.

Americans care if their McDonald's toy made in China has something toxic in it, but they don't care if children working in unsafe conditions were used in making that toy. They will care if their dog gets contaminated food that can cause illness, they don't care if people are starving, or eating food worse than their dog food where it was made. Today's Americans don't even see the irony when they buy a cross made in China where Christianity is oppressed! The cross had a good price, that's what they see.

38 posted on 12/29/2012 12:46:43 AM PST by Red6
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To: Gay State Conservative

I have a friend working in Red China; she says they now have contracts prohibiting new employees from committing suicide because it has become so common. Our standard of living is falling to meet that of Red China; this doesn’t bode well...


39 posted on 12/29/2012 5:05:41 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: PanzerKardinal

Remember early in 2008 and 9 ubangos unelected csars were running thier mouth about how wonderful China is and why we should be modeling ourselves to them? Now wouldnt they just love labor camps here in the US.


40 posted on 12/29/2012 5:08:34 AM PST by ronnie raygun (Being Breitbart)
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To: kearnyirish2

How do they punish the employees who commit suicide?


41 posted on 12/29/2012 5:10:21 AM PST by Nachoman (Wisdom is learned, cynicism is earned.)
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To: Nachoman

I have no idea; I could only imagine they penalize the family, but their families are practically non-existent due to the one-child policy. Companies have cages on stairwells and such to prevent people from jumping; it really is crazy over there. They are being devoured by the rest of the world’s capitalism...


42 posted on 12/29/2012 5:15:45 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: All

yea, but the do infrastructure so well, it’s something for us to emulate. Obama envy’s the ability of their government to get things done.


43 posted on 12/29/2012 5:18:48 AM PST by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: PanzerKardinal

If this is true, the commies are probably pulling random people and shooting them in the head right there in the factory and will continue to do so until someone steps forward.

They have plenty of Workers to replace them.


44 posted on 12/29/2012 5:53:09 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: PanzerKardinal

Actually it will soon be happening here in the many soon to be opened re-education camps for conservatives.


45 posted on 12/29/2012 6:22:28 AM PST by stockpirate (Mooshell Obama will run for POTUS in 2016.......Obama election fruad won the day.)
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To: PanzerKardinal; spel_grammer_an_punct_polise
I hope this is just bluster and hyperbole, because if you really believe in what you wrote....then I would really question your humanity.

Amen. Somebody needs to read "Arms of Krupp."

46 posted on 12/29/2012 11:55:08 AM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise
I’m a capitalist. That is the way capitalism works.

Correction: you're an amoral capitalist -- not "immoral," but "amoral," as in "without reference to morality."

When long-established California Japanese farmer families were interned in WWII, many "capitalist" farmers such as yourself snapped up their seized farmland at a song and went on your merry amoral way.

Meanwhile, other capitalist farmers, such as a few I knew personally, took those government-seized operations, ran them while those families and neighbors were interned during the war, and after the war, those families' farmland and operations were waiting for them; these capitalists, who were quiet ordinary and very imperfect Christians, did the right thing and returned the operationsn to the farmers/friends/neighbors who built them. These capitalists, at least one of whom became quite wealthy through self-made business over his life, were CAPITALISTS as much as you at least as successful (if not quite a bit more), busineswise, as you.

You are among the very sad conservatives who mistake moral compassion and love for weakness and liberalism.

My bible states clearly: "God is love." Where there is an absence of God, there is an absence of love. Those of us who want to bring God back to America, must engage in love. Love inspires loyalty, love inspires commitment.

Liberalism inspires and is powered by anger, envy, covetousness, and self-pity. All the things my bible warns against.

The amoral capitalist is a bereft thing.

47 posted on 12/29/2012 12:07:54 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: PanzerKardinal

Holy shoot. That is authentic.

I try to avoid things from china. Hard though.

Seriously this needs to get viral and we need to pressure this admin to stop bowing and to do away with chinas preferred trade status. This is sick.


48 posted on 12/29/2012 12:11:59 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Finny

Well said.


49 posted on 12/29/2012 12:26:49 PM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: Finny

“The amoral capitalist is a bereft thing.”

So that what you are saying is that it is acceptable for one country to try to demand that the companies of another country run their businesses in a certain manner?

That reeks of imperialism to me. Why do you think that this country is so hated throughout the world? We are continually trying to impose our will upon others and be the world’s ‘morality’ policemen.

Why was there outrage on FR when communist China tried to tell this country that we had to have more stringent gun laws? For the same reason that China does not like us to tell them how to run their country.

Let’s assume that this country would be successful in making companies in another country change their policies toward their employees. Let’s assume that they would say, “OK, USA, you are correct. We are going to institute a 40-hour work week, eight hours per day with an hour for lunch and two 15-minute breaks, two weeks paid vacation per year. In addition, instead of $2 per month salary we are going to start paying them at USA union wages, i.e., $20 per hour for unskilled labor. However, with the rising cost of production, those 10 million widgets you bought for $1 million last month...the price has risen. It is now going to cost $10 million for 1 million widgets.”

My point is, “Where does the morality stop and common sense start?” Is a 40-hour work-week ‘morally’ acceptable? Says who? Why? Taking into consideration travel-time to and from work, that is more than 1/3 of a person’s life. Is that ‘moral’? Does the bible say that a 40-hour work-week is acceptable?

Try to go out shopping and return home WITHOUT something that says, “Made in China” on the tag. You can’t do it. can you? I look for items that DON’T have a union label.

Are you willing to pay double and/or triple higher prices to assuage your ‘morality’? Oh, you changed your mind? I thought so!


50 posted on 12/29/2012 1:20:58 PM PST by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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