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Escaped dog led to highway deaths of 2 women
The Houston Chronicle ^ | 28 December 2012

Posted on 12/29/2012 5:28:29 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Edited on 12/29/2012 6:31:39 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

SANTA YNEZ, Calif. (AP) The deaths of two women who were struck by vehicles on a Southern California highway last week have been connected to a chase after a loose dog. Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Lt. Butch Arnoldi tells the Santa Maria Times (http://bit.ly/12U2WyO ) that 54-year-old Sara Ornelas and 49-year-old Barbara Romero were driving to a casino at 11:45 p.m. on Dec. 21 when they pulled over west of Lake Cachuma.


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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: animalrescue; dog; inexplicable; women
A few questions:

Driving to a casino at 11:45 p.m.? Huh?

The dog is hit and killed. The first woman is hit and killed. And, the other woman believes she has a spitting chance to get to someone or the dog and the drivers will stop for her?

Do values come into play here? Values like a dog is not as important as a person? Values like you don't run across a crowded highway? Values like what the hell are you doing driving to a casino to gamble at 11:45 p.m.? Oh my God. This nation is in REAL trouble with occupants like that. I am beginning to believe there is no hope and certainly no change.

1 posted on 12/29/2012 5:28:41 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Assuming they were going to a casino to stay for several hours, what were they planning to do with the dog other than leave the poor creature locked in a car?


2 posted on 12/29/2012 5:34:02 AM PST by relictele
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

I doubt I would have been able to stop myself from doing the same thing for one of my dogs.


3 posted on 12/29/2012 5:36:23 AM PST by RC one (From My Cold Dead Hands.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

takes 3 posts to not blame the victims

rescuing a screaming pet, and then rescuing another human being struck on a highway, is a natural rerflex in many of us

God Bless them all


4 posted on 12/29/2012 5:37:05 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

My pity is reserved for the poor motorists who’ll have to live with the memory of hitting Stupid/Stupider/Stupidest.


5 posted on 12/29/2012 5:38:18 AM PST by tomkat (liberty or death)
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To: RC one

picking someone up who was too drunk to drive home maybe?


6 posted on 12/29/2012 5:38:23 AM PST by RC one (From My Cold Dead Hands.)
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To: silverleaf

Thank you.


7 posted on 12/29/2012 5:39:12 AM PST by OKSooner ("The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God's people. Amen." - Revelation 22:21)
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To: silverleaf

I’ve seen people swerve into other vehicles (occupied by humans) to avoid hitting a bird in the roadway.

Priorities...


8 posted on 12/29/2012 5:40:56 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

I know that road well on the way to the Chumash casino. i feel SO sorry for that dog.


9 posted on 12/29/2012 5:43:38 AM PST by Moonmad27 ("I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way." Jessica Rabbitll)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

This is CA where the unexpected is the norm.


10 posted on 12/29/2012 5:45:40 AM PST by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: tomkat

Post of the Morning Award!


11 posted on 12/29/2012 5:46:33 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

The Daily Mail [UK] already has this story and with more detail than the local paper. There is at least one hit and run involved as well.

Not that it matters greatly, but this was not much of a highway - one lane each way and in bad condition. I wonder if they had a few drinks or something. It just doesn’t look all that hard to navigate those lanes except there is no place to pull completely off the road - assuming the photo is of the exact spot it happened. - Photo and details here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2254457/Two-women-tragically-killed-trying-rescue-dog-highway.html?ito=feeds-newsxml


12 posted on 12/29/2012 5:47:30 AM PST by expat1000
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

What is an appropriate time to go to a casino?

Goofing on people who died sure makes you the stock that you bemoan is missing from too many.

Yeah, this is the evidence we have been waiting for that society is in trouble.

People made the wrong snap decisions. They paid dearly. Now let’s turn it into something dark and deep.


13 posted on 12/29/2012 5:47:49 AM PST by sakic
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To: kearnyirish2

“””I’ve seen people swerve into other vehicles (occupied by humans) to avoid hitting a bird in the roadway.

Priorities...”””

I damn near plowed into the back of a Subaru in Minneapolis last year because they stopped in the middle of 394 to let a DUCK walk across. If I am going down the highway and a dog, a duck or a brontasaurus are in the way they will get plowed over before I risk injuring another human being.


14 posted on 12/29/2012 5:48:04 AM PST by shelterguy
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

They could have been going to the casino for lunch.


15 posted on 12/29/2012 5:48:14 AM PST by CPOSharky (zero slogan: Expect less, pay more. (apologies to Target))
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To: kearnyirish2
I’ve seen people swerve into other vehicles (occupied by humans) to avoid hitting a bird in the roadway.

Priorities...

Reflexes...

16 posted on 12/29/2012 5:50:13 AM PST by Right Brother
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To: kearnyirish2

Years ago one of the guys who worked at the Circle K around the corner from our house was hit and killed on the freeway. He drove an older Firebird and while driving down the freeway the sun roof blew off and he actually pulled over and went onto the road to retrieve it and was hit and killed.
Guess it could’ve been a safety thing to him, remove the debris, but I probably would have left it and called the police to retrieve it.


17 posted on 12/29/2012 5:58:40 AM PST by sheana
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To: RC one

Odds are some imperiled animal will be the death of me.

Oh well.


18 posted on 12/29/2012 6:13:40 AM PST by Salamander (Never go to bed mad. Stay up all night plotting revenge.)
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To: Moonmad27
I know that road well on the way to the Chumash casino.

Yep, shoulda had a nice meal at the Cold Springs Tavern then go home instead.

19 posted on 12/29/2012 6:22:57 AM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: sakic
>>>People made the wrong snap decisions. They paid dearly. Now let’s turn it into something dark and deep.How about cars are the new murder weapons? BTW, more deaths by cars then guns? I could eaily see liberals jumping on this cause to ban cars as weapons.
20 posted on 12/29/2012 6:26:43 AM PST by SIRTRIS
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Certainly they were unwise latinas in that this was all preventable if not for stupidity.


21 posted on 12/29/2012 6:27:26 AM PST by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: shelterguy

“If I am going down the highway and a dog, a duck or a brontasaurus are in the way they will get plowed over before I risk injuring another human being.”

I couldn’t agree more...


22 posted on 12/29/2012 6:29:13 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

A sad story.

Often, when owners die trying to save their pets, the pets survive anyway. Every winter I hear a couple stories about someone who has drowned trying to save a dog who fell through the ice, but the dog eventually made it to safety.


23 posted on 12/29/2012 6:30:49 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: shelterguy
If I am going down the highway and a dog, a duck or a brontasaurus are in the way they will get plowed over

You might want to yield to that brontosaurus, I've seen the results of a couple moose-strikes, and one with a steer...not pretty.

But if you do happen to sight one...be sure and let us know...maybe some pictures.

24 posted on 12/29/2012 6:33:33 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: Right Brother

“Reflexes...”

Maybe; I hope you never pay the price for those reflexes. I completely creeped out my wife once when we were flying down the Garden State Parkway South here in NJ and the car in front of us lost control. We were in the middle lane, and the car ahead of us ending up facing us (but still moving in the same direction as us, with the wheels locked up). I checked my mirrors, blinked left, and passed them in the fast lane; I guess driving around here for too long I just didn’t want to deal with the inevitable traffic tie-up that results from somebody spinning their car around on a highway.

As we continued on I could see all three lanes come to a stop behind us; my wife was white as a sheet, and disturbed 1) that I hadn’t slammed on the brakes (which is a bad idea, like braking suddenly for animals - you might kill a person), and 2) that I hadn’t reacted at all as though anything unusual was happening. I’m not “calm, cool, and collected”; I just didn’t want to sit in traffic, and was actually annoyed that the other driver had almost messed up our afternoon.


25 posted on 12/29/2012 6:36:23 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: sheana

That’s a shame; people don’t understand how fast cars are actually driving. I had to change a flat alongside the PA Turnpike years ago (I wasn’t going to wait for them to send a truck), and I tell you when you’re on the shoulder, and the flat’s on the driver’s side, you realize how fast those cars are moving.


26 posted on 12/29/2012 6:39:29 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Values like a dog is not as important as a person?

I can think of many a dog juxtaposed against many a person" and weigh my preferences and the dog wins every time.

Think of it this way: we just don't agree.

27 posted on 12/29/2012 6:40:02 AM PST by OldPossum
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

154 (San Marcos Road) is a dangerous 2 lane road (like 166). It can be a good shortcut to Santa Barbara though and is unfortunately the only way to get to the deliciousness of Cold Springs Tavern.


28 posted on 12/29/2012 7:02:49 AM PST by chargers fan
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Small dog? A pet carrier would have saved three lives...


29 posted on 12/29/2012 7:07:24 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Ban cars...er, dogs...er, stupid women....uh, casinos that are open at a quarter to midnight.


30 posted on 12/29/2012 7:40:03 AM PST by moovova
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To: relictele

That’s what I’m thinking. Why do you take a dog to a casino?


31 posted on 12/29/2012 7:42:11 AM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: CPOSharky

That’s a really, REALLY late lunch!


32 posted on 12/29/2012 7:55:56 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

I like to point out that if you just had one dog at a time in your life, you could probably have eight or nine dogs. So therefore, while you might really like your dog, it still only has the value of 1/8th of a person.

Think of this when you read somebody say something like, “If a cop shot my dog, I’d kill him!”, or some equally stupid thing. Because what they are really saying is not that they highly value their dog, but that they place human life on a par with that of a dog.

In practical terms, this is like offering to kill a human because they have *offended* you, by killing your dog.

And while there are some people you could hold in such contempt that you equate them with dogs, it should not be the vast majority of people. Because in doing so, you are lowering yourself to the level of a dog as well.


33 posted on 12/29/2012 8:02:59 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Pennies and Nickels will NO LONGER be Minted as of 1/1/13 - Tim Geithner, US Treasury Sect)
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To: OldPossum

I’m thinking of that California family - son jumped in ocean to save dog caught by wave, mother and father jumped in after son, all three died, dog lived.

We just got a dog and I’m fond of her and prefer her company to that of some people, but I wouldn’t give my life for her and bereave my family, or put myself in danger that would put my family in danger.


34 posted on 12/29/2012 8:11:57 AM PST by heartwood
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To: A_perfect_lady

“Why do you take a dog to a casino?”

So he can take a crap on the craps table???


35 posted on 12/29/2012 8:13:19 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: sakic
Goofing on people who died sure makes you the stock that you bemoan is missing from too many.

Unintelligible post except that it is clearly criticism. Posted it to show that a lack of values and prioritization in life does lead to death sometimes.

No apologies. Never will. Right is right and wrong is wrong. No one wants to hear that they are doing wrong anymore. Wrong leads to death. Nothing will change that.

And, something else. I am sick and tired of people making excuses for people doing stupid stuff and endangering themselves, others and the nation. I have absolutely no mercy for them or critics at all.

Sooner or later, everyone has to sit down to a banquet of consequences.

36 posted on 12/29/2012 10:07:17 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: heartwood

Those are your values. Mine differ.


37 posted on 12/29/2012 5:14:46 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Lack of values made these mistakes happen?

You must not make mistakes, I suppose.

I have never before exchanged posts with God. Prouder I could not be.


38 posted on 12/30/2012 7:54:29 AM PST by sakic
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

I was in Santa Ynez over Thanksgiving and actually played some Blackjack in that Casino. That particular highway is extremely dangerous. I can’t imagine how the dog got out of the car and why those women went chasing after it. Suicide mission.

As for the Casino, it’s more like a resort than anything else. Very nice place.


39 posted on 12/30/2012 8:01:53 AM PST by CityCenter (Compromise is the welcome mat to deception.)
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To: sakic
Lack of values made these mistakes happen?

You don't believe their is a values issue in this story? Really?

40 posted on 12/30/2012 11:39:33 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: sakic
Lack of values made these mistakes happen?

You don't believe there is a values issue in this story? Really?

41 posted on 12/30/2012 11:39:41 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

I believe you are trying to advocate an agenda that is a good one but that does not fit this tragic tale.

Do you ever make mistakes? Are they failings of morality?


42 posted on 12/30/2012 6:27:03 PM PST by sakic
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To: sakic
Do you ever make mistakes?

We're not going to make the stupid mistakes I've made in life the topic here. I am not the subject of discussion nor will I become the topic of discussion. You are not the subject of discussion and will not be allowed to divert the topic to you and me.

These women and their stupidity is the topic. Also, where they were going at what time is also the topic, all of which is inexcusable. As such, they are deceased.

43 posted on 12/30/2012 7:29:30 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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