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England Warns America: Don't let them take your guns
You Tube ^ | 9/12/12

Posted on 12/29/2012 9:54:14 AM PST by Impala64ssa

England grabbed its citizens guns in 1997. Crime skyrocketed as the law-abiding were disarmed. The English citizens have a message for Americans.


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KEYWORDS: banglist; europeanunion; guncontrol; nocompromise; secondamendment; tyranny; unitedkingdom; wewillnotcomply; youwillnotdisarmus
Those who fail to learn from history...
1 posted on 12/29/2012 9:54:23 AM PST by Impala64ssa
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To: Impala64ssa

Not quite.

Handguns were banned on the UK mainland (bar some exceptions), but are legal in NI. As is concealed carry.

Assault rifles were banned in 1988.
Rifles and shotguns are legal in the UK.


2 posted on 12/29/2012 9:57:31 AM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: Impala64ssa

Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows this; sadly, common sense (especially on the east coast) died years ago.


3 posted on 12/29/2012 9:58:07 AM PST by Jerrybob (Truth -- the new hate speech.)
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To: Impala64ssa

As stupid as the 1997 law was (the Cullen Report didnt suggest a ban), the UK populace has never been a large gun owning public.


4 posted on 12/29/2012 9:59:05 AM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman
Rifles and shotguns are legal in the UK.

From certain cases I've read about, God help you though, if you DARE to use a rifle or shotgun to defend your life or property there however. You will go to prison and the perp--if he lives--will get off scott free--and--probably sue you.

5 posted on 12/29/2012 10:12:11 AM PST by AnalogReigns (because the real world is not digital...)
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To: AnalogReigns

[[You will go to prison and the perp—if he lives—will get off scott free—and—probably sue you.]]

And he’ll end up with your house, your gun, your vehicle, yuour wife- oh wait- that might not be a bad thing


6 posted on 12/29/2012 10:17:04 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Impala64ssa

Without guns, this nation would not exist. We defended our rights of liberty from the king in England. We have defended in may wars since. We have assisted others in defending their rights. When I went into the Army, me and the men from the south were far superior shooters to those from the cities of the north and east. They could not hit a lake if they fell out of a boat. We on the other hand, could fire almost any weapon they taught us and shoot it expertly right away. The one thing I had to learn was to use a pistol. I had already been shoot large caliber rifles for years when I went into the Army at 18. Guns kept this nation free. They ARE FOR KEEPING A GOVERNMENT FROM RULING US. Sadly, most idiots today WANT the government to rule and lord over them. If America had had these fools in he 1700, 1800s, we would have lost and still belong to England. We would have lost WWI and there would have been no WWII. We might even be under Nazi rule right now. But, thankfully, many have defended these right, from dictators in Sodom on the Potomac.


7 posted on 12/29/2012 10:23:06 AM PST by RetiredArmy (1 Cor 15: 50-54 & 1 Thess 4: 13-17. That about covers it.)
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To: the scotsman
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/7922755/England-has-worse-crime-rate-than-the-US-says-Civitas-study.html
8 posted on 12/29/2012 10:24:42 AM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: Impala64ssa
Related article

… See if this rings this a bell. in March of 1996, Thomas Hamilton, a mentally unstable man walks into a school in the Scottish town of Dunblane and shoots 16 young children and their teacher. 10 other children and three other teachers before Thomas Hamilton took his own life. Leftists and the media in the UK were outraged at the fact Hamilton was able to get a gun. Emotions were running high, and the UK acted hastily to pass the Firearms Act...

9 posted on 12/29/2012 10:26:38 AM PST by opentalk
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To: Impala64ssa

Nice to know not all Brits are foolish twits like Piers Morgan! But that farmer who rots in jail...my blood boils just thinking about that poor man.


10 posted on 12/29/2012 10:28:07 AM PST by Nea Wood (When life gets too hard to stand, kneel.)
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To: Impala64ssa
Don't let them take your guns.

I'll give them my ammo first.

11 posted on 12/29/2012 10:31:00 AM PST by windsorknot
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Dunblane: How UK school massacre led to tighter gun control
12 posted on 12/29/2012 10:42:54 AM PST by opentalk
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Dunblane: How UK school massacre led to tighter gun control
13 posted on 12/29/2012 10:44:04 AM PST by opentalk
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Dunblane: How UK school massacre led to tighter gun control
14 posted on 12/29/2012 10:45:37 AM PST by opentalk
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To: Impala64ssa

Great video, passed it on...


15 posted on 12/29/2012 10:52:14 AM PST by fattigermaster
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To: RetiredArmy
If America had had these fools in he 1700, 1800s...

These fools were around then; they were ''loyalists''. Roughly a third of the population, which I suspect is similar to the numbers we have today. The main difference is the loyalists didn't control the flow of information as they do today. It's their ability to influence the unwashed that has weakened the culture. Unintended consequences??? Hardly...

16 posted on 12/29/2012 11:08:34 AM PST by ForGod'sSake (2C7:14 If my people..shall humble themselves and pray..I will hear from heaven..and heal their land.)
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To: Nea Wood

Tony Martin was released in 2003 after serving only 3 years. Not exactly rotting in prison. This video is quite old.


17 posted on 12/29/2012 11:28:26 AM PST by WilliamTells
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Impala64ssa.


18 posted on 12/29/2012 11:30:34 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: opentalk

And this is why the American system is superior to the British system in that it is difficult to act quickly and let emotionalism rule the day. And the Senate should be the toughest nut of all to crack, so Feinstein, wishing you epic fail.


19 posted on 12/29/2012 11:33:53 AM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: WilliamTells

But the fact Mr. Martin spent 1 millisecond behind bars is an outrage and horrendous miscarriage of justice, to say the least.


20 posted on 12/29/2012 11:39:39 AM PST by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: Impala64ssa

I’m not worried about crime, I’m worried about the politicians and their slaves with guns.

But Brit, worry not, they will not get my guns.


21 posted on 12/29/2012 11:50:52 AM PST by Matthew10
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To: Impala64ssa
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22 posted on 12/29/2012 12:02:09 PM PST by baddog 219
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To: Impala64ssa

You’re sound asleep when you hear a thump outside your bedroom door. Half-awake, and nearly paralyzed with fear, you hear muffled whispers.At least two people have broken into your house and are moving your way.

With your heart pumping, you reach down beside your bed and pick up your shotgun. You rack a shell into the chamber, then inch toward the door and open it.

In the darkness, you make out two shadows. One holds something that looks like a crowbar.

When the intruder brandishes it as if to strike, you raise the shotgun and fire. The blast knocks both thugs to the floor.

One writhes and screams while the second man crawls to the front door and lurches outside.

As you pick up the telephone to call police, you know you’re in trouble.

In your country, most guns were outlawed years before, and the few that are privately owned are so stringently regulated as to make them useless..

Yours was never registered.

Police arrive and inform you that the second burglar has died.

They arrest you for First Degree Murder and Illegal Possession of a Firearm.

When you talk to your attorney, he tells you not to worry: authorities will probably plea the case down to manslaughter.

“What kind of sentence will I get?” you ask.

“Only ten-to-twelve years,” he replies, as if that’s nothing. “Behave yourself, and you’ll be out in seven.”

The next day, the shooting is the lead story in the local newspaper. Somehow, you’re portrayed as an eccentric vigilante while the two men you shot are represented as choirboys.

Their friends and relatives can’t find an unkind word to say about them..

Buried deep down in the article, authorities acknowledge that both “victims” have been arrested numerous times.

But the next day’s headline says it all:
“Lovable Rogue Son Didn’t Deserve to Die.”

The thieves have been transformed from career criminals into Robin Hood-type pranksters..

As the days wear on, the story takes wings.

The national media picks it up, then the international media.

The surviving burglar has become a folk hero.

Your attorney says the thief is preparing to sue you, and he’ll probably win.

The media publishes reports that your home has been burglarized several times in the past and that you’ve been critical of local police for their lack of effort in apprehending the suspects.

After the last break-in, you told your neighbor that you would be prepared next time.

The District Attorney uses this to allege that you were lying in wait for the burglars.

A few months later, you go to trial.

The charges haven’t been reduced, as your lawyer had so confidently predicted.

When you take the stand, your anger at the injustice of it all works against you..

Prosecutors paint a picture of you as a mean, vengeful man.

It doesn’t take long for the jury to convict you of all charges.

The judge sentences you to life in prison.

This case really happened.

On August 22, 1999, Tony Martin of Emneth, Norfolk , England , killed one burglar and wounded a second.

In April, 2000, he was convicted and is now serving a life term...

How did it become a crime to defend one’s own life in the once great British Empire ?

It started with the Pistols Act of 1903.

This seemingly reasonable law forbade selling pistols to minors or felons and established that handgun sales were to be made only to those who had a license.
The Firearms Act of 1920 expanded licensing to include not only handguns but all firearms except shotguns..

Later laws passed in 1953 and 1967 outlawed the carrying of any weapon by private citizens and mandated the registration of all shotguns.

Momentum for total handgun confiscation began in earnest after the Hungerfordmass shooting in 1987.

Michael Ryan, a mentally disturbed man with a Kalashnikov rifle, walked down the streets shooting everyone he saw.

When the smoke cleared, 17 people were dead.

The British public, already de-sensitized by eighty years of “gun control”, demanded even tougher restrictions.
(The seizure of all privately owned handguns was the objective even though Ryan used a rifle.)

Nine years later, at Dunblane , Scotland , Thomas Hamilton used a semi-automatic weapon to murder 16 children and a teacher at a public school.

For many years, the media had portrayed all gun owners as mentally unstable, or worse, criminals. Now the press had a real kook with which to beat up law-abiding gun owners.

Day after day, week after week, the media gave up all pretense of objectivity and demanded a total ban on all handguns.

The Dunblane Inquiry, a few months later, sealed the fate of the few sidearms still owned by private citizens.

During the years in which the British government incrementally took away most gun rights, the notion that a citizen had the right to armed self-defense came to be seen as vigilantism.

Authorities refused to grant gun licenses to people who were threatened, claiming that self-defense was no longer considered a reason to own a gun. Citizens who shot burglars or robbers or rapists were charged while the real criminals were released.

Indeed, after the Martin shooting, a police spokesman was quoted as saying, “We cannot have people take the law into their own hands.”

All of Martin’s neighbors had been robbed numerous times, and several elderly people were severely injured in beatings by young thugs who had no fear of the consequences. Martin himself, a collector of antiques, had seen most of his collection trashed or stolen by burglars.

When the Dunblane Inquiry ended, citizens who owned handguns were given three months to turn them over to local authorities.

Being good British subjects, most people obeyed the law. The few who didn’t were visited by police and threatened with ten-year prison sentences if they didn’t comply.

Police later bragged that they’d taken nearly 200,000 handguns from private citizens.

How did the authorities know who had handguns? The guns had been registered and licensed. Kind of like cars. Sound familiar?

WAKE UP AMERICA ; THIS IS WHY OUR FOUNDING FATHERS PUT THE SECOND AMENDMENT IN OUR CONSTITUTION.

“...It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people’s minds..”
—Samuel Adams


23 posted on 12/29/2012 12:27:45 PM PST by Arlis (.)
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To: windsorknot

At about 1200 fps I imagine.


24 posted on 12/29/2012 1:08:20 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: WilliamTells

“Tony Martin was released in 2003 after serving only 3 years. Not exactly rotting in prison. This video is quite old.”

ONLY three years? That’s easy to say I suppose if you aren’t the person doing the time when you’ve done nothing wrong


25 posted on 12/29/2012 2:29:39 PM PST by Figment
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To: WilliamTells
Tony Martin was released in 2003 after serving only 3 years.

Oh, well, that's not an outrageous punishment at all for defending your own life.

26 posted on 12/29/2012 3:59:59 PM PST by Washi (Socialism is Slavery)
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To: Washi

Again, I’ll ask...do you know the details of the Tony Martin case?


27 posted on 12/30/2012 1:06:55 AM PST by WilliamTells
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To: WilliamTells
Again, I’ll ask...do you know the details of the Tony Martin case?

I know the details that are available on the Internet.

What details do you think I am missing?

I know that the prosecution argued that Martin's description of the events were false. There's a big surprise.

The details that aren't in dispute, however, are that the two people that Martin shot were thugs with criminal records and that they broke into Martin's residence with criminal intentions and were shot.

28 posted on 12/30/2012 9:38:08 AM PST by Washi (Socialism is Slavery)
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To: Washi
I know that the prosecution argued that Martin's description of the events were false. There's a big surprise.

The police found that Tony Martin's account was contradicted by the physical evidence.

The details that aren't in dispute, however, are that the two people that Martin shot were thugs with criminal records and that they broke into Martin's residence with criminal intentions and were shot.

More like an execution. Hard to stretch self-defence to cover what he did. I'm not crying any tears over the dead burglar, but Tony Martin's no hero.

29 posted on 12/30/2012 11:23:25 AM PST by WilliamTells
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To: Impala64ssa

Come And Take It!

http://www.tamu.edu/faculty/ccbn/dewitt/batgonframe.htm


30 posted on 12/30/2012 11:56:34 AM PST by Enough is ENOUGH (Battle of Gonzales: Family tradition (Old Eighteen))
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To: RetiredArmy

“Without guns, this nation would not exist.”

And it was gun confiscation which sparked the revolution creating this country.


31 posted on 12/30/2012 11:59:43 AM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: Impala64ssa
Read my tag line. This is a freep. Help with Piers Moron's self-deportation. Send your penny taped to a recipe card now....add your own pithy message to Piers on the card. Put it in tomorrow's mail!

Let's flood the bustards!

Leni

32 posted on 12/30/2012 12:17:05 PM PST by MinuteGal (Send a penny NOW to CNN, 1 Time-Warner Center, NY, NY 10019 for "PENNIES FOR LEAVIN!" (Piers Morgan))
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