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If Every U.S. State Declared War Against the Others, Which Would Win?
Slate ^ | Tuesday, Nov. 27, 2012 | Jon Davis,

Posted on 12/29/2012 7:38:23 PM PST by MinorityRepublican

These are the accounts of the Second American Civil War, also known as the Wars of Reunification and the American Warring States Period.

After the breakup, many wondered which states would come out in control of the power void created by the dissolution of the United States. There were many with little chance against several of the larger more powerful states. The states in possession of a large population, predisposition for military (i.e.) military bases, and a population open to the idea of warfare fared the best. In the long term, we would look to states with self-sufficiency and long term military capabilities.

Here are the states that held the greatest strategic value from day one. They have the ability to be self-sufficient, economic strength, military strength, the will to fight, and the population to support a powerful war machine.

California Texas New York

Others that have many of the qualities that gave them an advantage are also listed.

Washington Colorado Illinois Virginia Florida Georgia

For all intents and purposes, Alaska and Hawaii ended well enough since they were so far removed from the center of the country that they never really suffer greatly nor benefit from the shattering.

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1 posted on 12/29/2012 7:38:25 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

China:)


2 posted on 12/29/2012 7:39:59 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: MinorityRepublican
Kind of a pointless mental exercise. Massachusetts could declare war on Texas, but they would never get me and many, many other conservative country-dwellers to fight against Texans. Colorado may be a blue state now, but I highly doubt most of its residents would do battle against Dakotans.

It would be conservative/country vs. liberal/city, not a simple state vs. state.

3 posted on 12/29/2012 7:41:47 PM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Which states are in possession of the nukes?

You don’t necessarily need a large population to win this.

One person. one red button.


4 posted on 12/29/2012 7:44:30 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Mexico, China and the Devil.


5 posted on 12/29/2012 7:44:40 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

The state with the most gun owners and bullets.


6 posted on 12/29/2012 7:46:51 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: MinorityRepublican

This is like the old “Ditka versus Godzilla” debate. I’ll get the popcorn, a bunny, and a pancake.


7 posted on 12/29/2012 7:47:33 PM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: MinorityRepublican

I call this total BS.
They look at this only from economics.

My great state of Tennessee, the Volunteer State, could take a band of mountain boys and whip the entire sissy state of California.


8 posted on 12/29/2012 7:50:30 PM PST by AlexW
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To: MinorityRepublican

Bookmark.


9 posted on 12/29/2012 7:51:11 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: MinorityRepublican

And remember, New Mexico has nukes and several air force squadrons. Bombs Away!!!


10 posted on 12/29/2012 7:52:13 PM PST by ProudFossil (" I never did give anyone hell. I just told the truth and they thought it was hell." Harry Truman)
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To: MinorityRepublican

You would have to define “win”.

In an odd sort of way, I think that both California and Texas would define it the same way : Fedgov, get out of our business.

I mean to my mind the beauty of the original intent is to have a bunch of experiments in government running at the same time with a common defense, commerce and currency.


11 posted on 12/29/2012 7:52:47 PM PST by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: cunning_fish

This has to be the most ridiculous articles I’ve ever read. Sooo many stupid assumptions.


12 posted on 12/29/2012 7:54:15 PM PST by Antoninus II
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To: MinorityRepublican

Wouldn’t it be easier to get rid of D.C. and start over?


13 posted on 12/29/2012 7:57:36 PM PST by Krodg
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To: AlexW

I call this total BS.
They look at this only from economics.

My great state of Tennessee, the Volunteer State, could take a band of mountain boys and whip the entire sissy state of California.


Uh, huh.


14 posted on 12/29/2012 7:58:28 PM PST by chessplayer
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To: MinorityRepublican
CWII will not result in one geographical State against others.

Likely more like Chicago against downstate.

15 posted on 12/29/2012 8:00:23 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: MinorityRepublican

So, at what point in this scenario does the present danger to liberty that is posed by the federal government outweigh any dangers to liberty that might come out of a Constitutional Convention that has the power to totally abolish the federal government?


16 posted on 12/29/2012 8:01:58 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: MinorityRepublican

But then if each state could agree to do the same thing at the same time why would they go to war if they could agree to do the same thing.

What is the capacity of each state to produce pancakes and how many rabbits do they have. .


17 posted on 12/29/2012 8:07:44 PM PST by ThomasThomas
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To: Jonty30

North Dakota and Montana. Together, the world’s third or fourth largest nuclear power.


18 posted on 12/29/2012 8:08:41 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: AlexW

Much respect to the great state of Tenn., but Los Angeles county has about three million more people than your whole state. I’m willing to bet that it has nearly as many guns, registered and unregistered, as well.


19 posted on 12/29/2012 8:11:09 PM PST by catbertz
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To: tennmountainman

I’m in MA-—we don’t stand a chance.

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20 posted on 12/29/2012 8:12:05 PM PST by Mears
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To: Mears

Not to late to move a little south.


21 posted on 12/29/2012 8:13:53 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: SERKIT
This is like the old “Ditka versus Godzilla” debate

You've got that right! This sort of silliness sounds like it came from a stupid lib website such as Slate. Oh, wait...it did come from Slate.

Now can we move on to a more important discussion, such as who was hotter, Mary Ann or Ginger?

22 posted on 12/29/2012 8:14:18 PM PST by Leaning Right
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To: Smokin' Joe

I’d add Wyoming. Plenty of nukes and chances are Dick Cheney would be in an undisclosed secure location somewhere in the state to help launch ‘em ;-)


23 posted on 12/29/2012 8:14:36 PM PST by bigbob
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To: Mears

You could win through the imposition of Obamacare, which is patterned after Romneycare.

You’re not out of it by any means.


24 posted on 12/29/2012 8:16:32 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Rhode Island.

It would be overlooked.


25 posted on 12/29/2012 8:17:23 PM PST by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: catbertz

I do believe TN tried something similar once before and it didn’t work out all that well.

Though the mountain boys were mostly on the other side then from the rest of the state.


26 posted on 12/29/2012 8:21:13 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: RedStateRocker
California and Texas would define it the same way : Fedgov, get out of our business.

I don't see California as a leader, not with the current governor, nor with the percentage of illegal aliens and sympathizers. I think Governor Moonbeam would go running to the Fedgov for a bailout or rescue, and as soon as it happened, it would be back to business as usual.

27 posted on 12/29/2012 8:22:07 PM PST by Fast Moving Angel (A moral wrong is not a civil right: No religious sanction of an irreligious act.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

I wouldn’t declare war on another state.... I’d just have Texas walk away. Real peaceable like..... Don’t f#@k with us and leave us alone.

Close the borders and just say, if you want to come in either have a job or a sponsor cause the state will provide NOTHING. For the free loaders in Texas.... one way ticket to New York or California where really smart and compassionate people live to provide cradle to grave care under the welfare plantation society they want.

Corporate tax rate of 0. eliminate property tax and divide all state expenditures by the population and divide into fuel tax, utility taxes and flat income tax paid by all citizens.

Every household must own a weapon to provide for the defense of the state and upon turning 18 all men must undergo 3 months of military training with one year served in active duty paid for 1 year of tuition and books at a state university, with a priority acceptance given to those who serve 4 years on active duty.

A tariff for all commercial traffic, cruise lines and airplanes that come across the mexican border to be paid by all who enter to offset medical and legal expenses incurred by illegal aliens.

Finally a currency that is backed by gold/silver that must be held physically by the state of Texas.

Don’t declare war.... just declare ... Independence.


28 posted on 12/29/2012 8:22:27 PM PST by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat they sh#t on.)
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To: tennmountainman

“Not to late to move a little south.”

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I’m afraid at age 80 it is too late,but an in-law of my daughter lives in TN and loves it.

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29 posted on 12/29/2012 8:22:32 PM PST by Mears
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To: MinorityRepublican

Whichever state has the most lesbians, Oriental mothers, and black females. Orneriest crowd on the planet.


30 posted on 12/29/2012 8:26:04 PM PST by twister881
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To: MinorityRepublican

AZ has one of the largest air forces in the world in mothballs, half of which is flyable in 24 hours, most of the rest air worthy in a week. We might struggle for ground troops but we WILL have air supremacy.


31 posted on 12/29/2012 8:27:12 PM PST by discostu (I recommend a fifth of Jack and a bottle of Prozac)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Idaho - think Afghanistan... mostly covered with trees.


32 posted on 12/29/2012 8:30:59 PM PST by PrivateIdaho ( "Courage is being scared to death... but saddling up anyway." (John Wayne))
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To: twister881

Ah, yes. Iowa.


33 posted on 12/29/2012 8:32:00 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Paladin2

“CWII will not result in one geographical State against others.”

Agree.
More likely rural vs urban, and more like an asymmetrical guerrilla war of patriots vs central government. The best outcome in this scenario would be destabilization of Leftist government with a constitutionalist military strongman taking over and hopefully transitioning back to a constitutional republic as much as is possible. But, the temptation for reprisals against the Leftist tyrants would be very strong...but necessary, IMO.


34 posted on 12/29/2012 8:32:23 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot)
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To: MinorityRepublican

“If Every U.S. State Declared War Against the Others, Which Would Win?”

The entire premises is ridiculous.

No state is going to “declare war” on any other state.

A more interesting question would be:
“If any of the fifty states (or a group of states) declared independence from the federal government, which would have the best chance to prevail?


35 posted on 12/29/2012 8:33:05 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: MinorityRepublican

California Texas New York?

Not even close.

Texas makes Santa Ana sob in defeat and demands free beer from the Dutch impeturity and gives that ridiculous island back to the natives.


36 posted on 12/29/2012 8:34:39 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: MinorityRepublican

We could do brackets. Each state has to take on a neighboring one. As each state wins a bracket, it gets to take over the losing state. The thirteen largest states would get a bye in the first round.


37 posted on 12/29/2012 8:35:45 PM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Got Kook much?


38 posted on 12/29/2012 8:37:48 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks
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To: theBuckwheat
... a Constitutional Convention that has the power to totally abolish the federal government?

Or to constitutionally enshrine the socialist, nanny state that 51% of the idiot population voted for in the last election.

39 posted on 12/29/2012 8:38:34 PM PST by Washi (Socialism is Slavery)
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To: Mears

Yes...but we come from a long lineage of carpetbaggers, so we just wait for the winner to be declared, and swoop in to make a profit.

Actually we make some pretty good guns up here.

We might do better than you think. We are not all babies.


40 posted on 12/29/2012 8:38:45 PM PST by Vermont Lt (We are so screwed.)
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To: Jonty30
One person. one red button.

There's just a bit more to it than that. First, there are the encrypted codes sent from the national control center. Next, there are the encrypted keys in two different safes....

We're ready for the fruitcakes. ;-D

41 posted on 12/29/2012 8:39:09 PM PST by GingisK
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To: grumpygresh

I would think you would see a major war within California and never have to get close to a border.


42 posted on 12/29/2012 8:41:18 PM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Superciliousness is the essence of Obama)
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To: GingisK

The encrypted codes shouldn’t be too difficult to,figure out. I saw a show which stated that, until 1976, the code was 0000000.


43 posted on 12/29/2012 8:43:04 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: AlexW
My great state of Tennessee, the Volunteer State, could take a band of mountain boys and whip the entire sissy state of California.

To paraphrase Rick Blaine, there are certain sections of California that I wouldn't advise you to try to invade.

44 posted on 12/29/2012 8:43:32 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: MinorityRepublican

The one that uses airports to disperse
botulinum toxin, while grounding incoming flights to their own.


45 posted on 12/29/2012 8:46:19 PM PST by Morris70
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To: Road Glide

“If any of the fifty states (or a group of states) declared independence from the federal government, which would have the best chance to prevail?”

Interesting question.
Alaska. Remote, cold, self sufficient, energy independent, and armed citizens. It would be very difficult to conduct offensive military operations there most of the year. If AK signed a defense pact with Russia or China, a weakling like zero would just let it go. A lot of patriots down here would also move up there to support the cause.


46 posted on 12/29/2012 8:46:48 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot)
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To: Dick Vomer

Great listing of articles of freedom. I have a sister & brother in TX. I will look for their help to sponsor me, and will gladly move from DFL cesspool Minnesota, to TX (along with my guns & ammo)!


47 posted on 12/29/2012 8:47:30 PM PST by rcrngroup
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To: tennmountainman
The state with the most gun owners and bullets.

I'm not sure but I would guess that might be Pennsylvania.

48 posted on 12/29/2012 8:50:54 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio)
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To: Jonty30
I saw a show which stated that, until 1976, the code was 0000000

Yes, Hollywood is the best source of insider Top Secret information and even scientific facts. < /sarcasm>

49 posted on 12/29/2012 8:51:45 PM PST by GingisK
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To: MinorityRepublican
The premise of the article wouldn't reflect any likely scenario if such a thing were to occur. There would be alliances based upon common interests as well as geography. Within those alliances would be the more ardent states in support of “the cause” and those who joined because there was little choice given their circumstance.

On a state by state level, the fault lines would very likely resemble the old red state - blue state split, but even so, assuming states would hold in the event of such a scenario isn't necessarily realistic.

There are several states today that are pretty thoroughly divided, with a large urban area or two negating the political desires of the vast majority of the respective states in which they're located. Illinois, California, Washington and Pennsylvania are prime examples, with Virginia, North Carolina and Florida close behind, due to net in-migration of leftist voters from northeastern states.

Either there would be intrastate fighting to determine control or the state would split much as Virginia did over secession.

The will to fight and the cultural cohesion would go to red states and counties, but strategically speaking, the blue areas control the coasts and the ports even in the south. World opinion is now socialist opinion, so material support would likely be blue if proffered.

It would be a bloody, messy war with no clear favorite going in. Red would have to take certain blue areas to function economically. Ag commodities, oil and coal would largely lie in the red but it can't all exit through the gulf.

Tough call. Best to avoid it and part ways peacefully if at all possible.

50 posted on 12/29/2012 8:52:25 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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