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5 people killed, about 20 injured in tour bus crash on icy Ore. interstate highway
GF Herald ^ | 12/30/12 | AP

Posted on 12/30/2012 3:28:05 PM PST by jimbo123

A tour bus careened through a guardrail on an icy Oregon highway and several hundred feet down an embankment Sunday, killing five people and injuring about 20 others, authorities said.

The charter bus carrying about 40 people lost control around 10:30 a.m. on the snow- and ice-covered lanes of Interstate 84 in eastern Oregon, according to the Oregon State Police.

Lt. Greg Hastings said the accident happened on the west end of the Blue Mountains, and west of an area called "Deadman Pass," where stretches of the highway tend to be icy in winter months.

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1 posted on 12/30/2012 3:28:11 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: All

Photo at link:

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2 posted on 12/30/2012 3:29:25 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

Something has to be done about these “assault” buses.


3 posted on 12/30/2012 3:30:16 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Where can I pick up a 2013 Mayan calendar?)
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To: jimbo123

Amazing that most of the people survived plummeting hundreds of feet down a slope in a bus. I doubt any of them had seat belts on (do buses even have seat belts?)


4 posted on 12/30/2012 3:31:00 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: FlingWingFlyer

High capacity assault buses.


5 posted on 12/30/2012 3:31:51 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

LOL!


6 posted on 12/30/2012 3:32:48 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Where can I pick up a 2013 Mayan calendar?)
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To: jimbo123
Prayers up.

/johnny

7 posted on 12/30/2012 3:32:57 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: jimbo123

ban evil killer busses?


8 posted on 12/30/2012 3:36:42 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: SamAdams76

School buses still don’t. I don’t know about commercial passenger or tour buses.


9 posted on 12/30/2012 3:37:48 PM PST by carriage_hill (Have A Happy & Healthy New Year!)
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To: carriage_hill

I hope the foolhardy driver was one of those killed. Idiots don’t know ice is slick.


10 posted on 12/30/2012 3:48:50 PM PST by tommix2 (,)
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To: tommix2

I’m always amazed at how fast idiots drive on iced roads and overpasses. In this past week’s snow/icestorm, I heard Fox News report (during WMAL’s morning show news break) a record 600+ accidents in Minneapolis’ morning rush hour. You’d think that up there, they’d know better. I stayed home and off the roads until the carnage was over, here in PA.


11 posted on 12/30/2012 3:54:19 PM PST by carriage_hill (Have A Happy & Healthy New Year!)
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To: jimbo123

They need to LICENSE and REGISTER those dangerous objects. And then ban them if necessary.

Where are the DEMOCRATS on this CARNAGE?


12 posted on 12/30/2012 3:56:20 PM PST by BobL (Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21... (whatever the hell that is))
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To: BobL

When is Reverend Al going to release a statement denouncing Bus Violence?


13 posted on 12/30/2012 3:58:59 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: carriage_hill

I remember watching on the news one time years ago in I think Atlanta they had a major freeze come through. As the cars came over this hill they hit ice and lost control and they would start spinning. It was a long way to where the pile up was. It was like watching slow motion. A car would go into this spin and go spinning and sliding and crash into the other cars. It was far enough away where they eventually crashed that they lost most of thier speed. They would get out and get up on the bank and watch the next on come along and do the same thing. I don’t think anyone was hurt but it was quite the show.


14 posted on 12/30/2012 4:05:25 PM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Superciliousness is the essence of Obama)
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To: jimbo123; All

I think it’s inappropriate, some of the comments here...

I’ve driven that stretch in the winter. It can be white knuckle time all the way from Portland to the Idaho line. I would say that virtually everyone who makes that trip takes it seriously...


15 posted on 12/30/2012 4:08:15 PM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: babygene

don’t the ODOT have sand salt and plows?


16 posted on 12/30/2012 4:16:14 PM PST by RitchieAprile (the obstreperous gentleman..)
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To: jimbo123

Ban ice? That would suck.


17 posted on 12/30/2012 4:17:48 PM PST by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: babygene

I agree with you. The biggest problem is the State of Oregon and it’s inability to deal with snow and ice. They are counting on global warming, have been for years, but since it is not happening, every year people die on the roads that they do not take care of in winter conditions. Recently got out of the “green” state.


18 posted on 12/30/2012 4:19:15 PM PST by conservative_cyclist (I want my parents country back!)
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To: jimbo123

Very unfortunate, God bless all those killed and injured.

Of course when we get those folks off the roads and onto high speed rail their chances will be better.

/s


19 posted on 12/30/2012 4:21:08 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

Funny you mention Atlanta! I worked for Hertz RAC (VP Mktng) back in early-80s, and flew into Hartsfield Int’l from NY, and there was an ice/snowstorm just as we arrived. I very slowly drove out to Marietta (across from AFB) and saw scores of accidents along the route. Being from Midwest and PA, I knew how to drive in that mess; the ATL residents/visitors were going full-tilt-boogey into chain accidents on every hill and curve. What a frigging mess. Hertz, Avis, National and some other RACs lost use of entire fleets to fender-benders. Wonder if this was the same storm? LOL.


20 posted on 12/30/2012 4:22:37 PM PST by carriage_hill (Have A Happy & Healthy New Year!)
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To: RitchieAprile

“don’t the ODOT have sand salt and plows?”

If you’ve ever driven that stretch in the winter, you’d understand that sand and salt and plows would do no good.

Your windshield wipers can’t keep up with the snow on the front window.


21 posted on 12/30/2012 4:23:00 PM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: jimbo123

I used to drive that pass every week going from Seattle or Portland to Salt Lake City and back. That can be a nasty bitch of a mountain with snow and ice on it.


22 posted on 12/30/2012 4:23:11 PM PST by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: babygene

As an Oregonian now living in northern Ontario, I would say that those who decide not to make the trip take it the most seriously. I’d hate to be a driver on some sort of schedule.


23 posted on 12/30/2012 4:28:59 PM PST by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: conservative_cyclist

“The biggest problem is the State of Oregon and it’s inability to deal with snow and ice.”

They should just close the road, but since it’s an interstate I don’t think they can do that. Anyway it changes hour to hour, and if they closed the road people would be stuck in their cars or trucks.

It’s best just not to make the trip in the winter if you can avoid it.


24 posted on 12/30/2012 4:29:13 PM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: RitchieAprile
don’t the ODOT have sand salt and plows?

ODOT is TERRIBLE about handling cabbage and deadman's pass.

I've had ODOT officers stop me from putting on chains at the bottom, tell me the chain restrictions were lifted and to get rolling. Only to get half way up wishing I had chains on then getting forced to stop and put on chains in the slow lane cause the shoulder was absolutely undrivable.

25 posted on 12/30/2012 4:30:35 PM PST by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: babygene

I’ve encountered snow and sleet on that stretch of highway in June. I had to drive right behind a truck so I could drive in his tracks and not fishtail all over the place.


26 posted on 12/30/2012 4:31:58 PM PST by Publius ("A centralized government is a centralized evil." -- Gen. John Graham)
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To: Domandred

I’ve driven that road under bad conditions as well. I was barely crawling the ice was so bad. Some guy went around me doing fifty, and of course a few miles up the road we caught up and he was upside down in the ditch.


27 posted on 12/30/2012 4:33:25 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Ban liberalism, not liberty.)
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To: babygene

As an Oregonian now living in northern Ontario, I would say that those who decide not to make the trip take it the most seriously. I’d hate to be a driver on some sort of schedule.


28 posted on 12/30/2012 4:35:06 PM PST by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: babygene

Absolutely a state can close an interstate! Happens in the Midwest frequently in the winter.

Ordinary roads, under ‘right-of-way’ and with unlimited access are harder to close.


29 posted on 12/30/2012 4:35:48 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Publius

Here’s a link to the live Cam... It doesn’t look to bad at the moment. Check it again in an hour and it could be different.

http://www.oregontravels.com/_roads/ne_I84_CabbageHill_DeadmanPass_623.html


30 posted on 12/30/2012 4:38:15 PM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: EternalVigilance

One time I slept at the rest area at the top cause wasn’t going down the mountain in the dark. Woke up and it was bright and sunny and no snow. Road report still said chains so I did, in a t-shirt(!) cause it was warm at the top, and was joking to the Gordon driver parked next to me about chaining in a t-shirt.

Got half way down and the best thing to describe it was a “frozen hell”. Just needed to go to Hermiston, then Pasco, then back up the mountain. In Summer would take about 3 hours total including loading and unloading times.

Took me ALL DAY and never made it out. Slept at the scale house on US-12 just outside Wallula, WA. Woke up and there was about an inch thick sheet of ice covering the whole valley.

Finally got up to the top of the mountain and bright and sunny again. Took off my chains and made 65 from the rest area all the way to Boise.


31 posted on 12/30/2012 4:38:53 PM PST by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: jimbo123

RIP.


32 posted on 12/30/2012 4:48:49 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: EternalVigilance

I have to ask: did you pull over to help?

(I only wonder ‘cause I’ve had guys fishtail past me on winter mountain roads and as they sail along I always think, If you crack up I’m going right on by...never had to do it though, thank goodness)


33 posted on 12/30/2012 4:52:23 PM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: babygene

I’ve driven it white knuckles winter and summer also! Three years ago in August when they were working on it at night it was a nightmare to drive! But winter—from Hermiston all the way to Cascade Locks with seven inches of snow or slush—aargh!


34 posted on 12/30/2012 4:58:59 PM PST by Sicvee (Sicvee)
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To: Fightin Whitey

He already had help, and I had a van full of kids to look out for. :-)


35 posted on 12/30/2012 5:23:53 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Ban liberalism, not liberty.)
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To: jimbo123

I would guess that the bus was going to or coming from the Wildhorse Casino near Pendleton .....probably mostly older people.....


36 posted on 12/30/2012 5:30:14 PM PST by cherry
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To: babygene

Interstates get closed for weather all the time. I-80 in CA across the Sierras closes regularly. We drove I-5 last week from CA to Seattle — the southern stretch over the passes in So Oregon was closed to trucks — hundreds of semis lined the shoulder near Ashland, OR.


37 posted on 12/30/2012 5:32:31 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: babygene

Also, “The Grapevine” grade on I-5 in Southern Cal is regularly closed due to snow and ice weather.


38 posted on 12/30/2012 5:33:45 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: babygene
Oh, yeah. I know that road very well. One of my closest calls was on that pass - dry pavement, clear road, turned a corner and I was suddenly in ice going sideways. No warning at all. I've hit freezing rain on that road so perfect I didn't even know I was in it until the windshield started getting a little hazy. FWIW it's a gorgeous drive even when it's trying to kill you.
39 posted on 12/30/2012 5:36:19 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: cherry

Thanks for the explanation. I was wondering why tourists would be traveling in that weather.


40 posted on 12/30/2012 5:53:13 PM PST by Atlantan
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To: carriage_hill

It probably was. The time sounds about right. It was a multi car pileup that just kept growing and growing.


41 posted on 12/30/2012 5:54:40 PM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Superciliousness is the essence of Obama)
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To: jimbo123

I’m going to make a stab in the dark and guess the bus was going to and back from a casino or a concert for some aging but yet still popular 60s sing idol. Just a guess but it would probably fit in with the other previous occurrences of speeding charter buses killing lots of people.


42 posted on 12/30/2012 6:26:21 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (Save the nation, have your family's progressives spayed or neutered.)
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To: babygene
I think it’s inappropriate, some of the comments here...
I’ve driven that stretch in the winter. It can be white knuckle time all the way from Portland to the Idaho line. I would say that virtually everyone who makes that trip takes it seriously...
Yes. As have I. Completely agree. This is very sad.
43 posted on 12/30/2012 6:26:35 PM PST by GOP Poet
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To: babygene

They should just close the road, but since it’s an interstate I don’t think they can do that.

__________________________

i have seen our interstate closed on a few dangerous occaisons


44 posted on 12/30/2012 6:34:41 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist Totalitarian Fascism coming to a country like yours.)
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To: Billthedrill

” One of my closest calls was on that pass - dry pavement, clear road, turned a corner and I was suddenly in ice going sideways.”

I was just telling the wife at dinner, that almost every time I’ve feared for my life was when I was driving in a winter storm. The only exception to that was when I lost the engine in the plane and had to make an emergency landing.


45 posted on 12/30/2012 6:49:34 PM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Yep, and out my way on I 10 here in the *pass* east of San berdoo we had the road closed for a few hours one winter night. CHP were finally doing escorts.


46 posted on 12/30/2012 8:14:42 PM PST by Conservative4Ever (I'm going Galt)
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