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Oregon politicians try to repair economy, restore American Dream(Ring-a-ling:Clue Phone-Its For You)
The Oregonian ^ | 12/30/31 | Staff

Posted on 12/30/2012 9:37:41 PM PST by Be Careful

Political leaders, in Oregon and in Congress, have taken notice. Many plan to introduce legislation, or launch programs, aimed at helping those hardest hit:

The governor's proposed budget, so far, includes money to replicate a previously successful job training program.

Oregon legislators will be urged to place a measure on the 2013 ballot asking voters to create a permanent state fund providing financial aid to college students.

New student loan options that recently took effect will lower some payments and provide more debt forgiveness.

A state agency will conduct a limited test of a program to buy back and refinance underwater mortgages. The slide began in December 2007 -- yep, it's been five years -- and the recession's stranglehold was complete by the next fall. Economic mobility, otherwise known as the American dream, stagnated across generations and geographies. Oregon lost 147,700 jobs, some of the 8.8 million extinguished nationwide. Home values collapsed, and lenders have foreclosed on thousands of Oregon homes each year since

(Excerpt) Read more at oregonlive.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: layoffs
Priceless
1 posted on 12/30/2012 9:37:49 PM PST by Be Careful
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To: Be Careful

Unbelievable. Everyone has bought into the idea that politicians and “planners” can fix everything and do a better job of producing progress and prosperity than the free market can. Will people ever learn?


2 posted on 12/30/2012 9:40:56 PM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: Be Careful

WHy post stuff from the “FISH WRAP” as Lars Larson calls the Oregonian? It is a liberal hack newspaper.


3 posted on 12/30/2012 9:42:51 PM PST by entropy12 (The republic is doomed when people figure out they can get free stuff by voting democrats)
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To: Be Careful
Same old same old.

Take money from the productive people and give it to the non-productive people and act like you did something.

4 posted on 12/30/2012 9:48:29 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Democracy is indispensable to socialism. The goal of socialism is communism." --Vladimir Lenin)
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To: entropy12

Hi entropy12......this post is a further illustration of what your screen name is all about!

Oregon, Washington and California should be collectively named

‘The Entropics’

1.a measure of disorder: a measure of the disorder that exists in a system
2.a measure of unavailable energy: a measure of the energy in a system or process that is unavailable to do work.


5 posted on 12/30/2012 9:49:55 PM PST by Be Careful
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To: Pining_4_TX
Unbelievable. Everyone has bought into the idea that politicians and “planners” can fix everything and do a better job of producing progress and prosperity than the free market can. Will people ever learn?

Hey c'mon, 5 year plans and a centrally planned economy worked so well in the Soviet Union. Just look how they're doing today! ... Oh, that's right - they don't exist any more, their economy and entire empire imploded!

Anyone, and I mean anyone, including you lib lurkers, that advocates socialism and central planning is an ignorant fool.

6 posted on 12/30/2012 9:59:26 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Be Careful

Yep, I lived in the Emerald People’s Republic, so I could smell the aroma of the story simply by sniffing the headline.

Of course they’ll fix those pesky problems... problems that they themselves caused years ago. I could go on and on, but everything will get better once they legalize weed there, too.

God help us.


7 posted on 12/30/2012 9:59:38 PM PST by redpoll
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To: Pining_4_TX

Not if they keep posting and believing this crap.


8 posted on 12/30/2012 10:00:24 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: redpoll

Oregon has more than its’ share of marxists and leftist in local, state and national politics. They are the cause of the problems they have, not the solution.

It is like having a group of drug addicts planning a program to get others off of drugs. Ain’t gonna happen.

Well, they elected who they wanted, and look what they got. They deserve every bit of it and more.

What a beautiful state. Why did God and Americans let it become a toilet for the Left?


9 posted on 12/30/2012 10:03:52 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Be Careful

collectivist economics bump for later.....


10 posted on 12/30/2012 10:04:41 PM PST by indthkr
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To: Be Careful
"Priceless"

You bet it is. Only mentally disordered RATs & Rinos can believe that grossly inept, incompetent, perpetually failing gubmint programs, paying off school loans & throwing more money at something will somehow have the magical effect of creating productive jobs & more income for the fascist state. The longer socialism continues, the greater the downfall will be. Unfortunately the brain dead sheeple will never make the connection between their demoRAT politicians and the complete utter failure of socialist programs.

We need two separate countries....NOW! One for conservatives and one for the RATs, Rinos, homos, illegals & muzzies!

11 posted on 12/30/2012 10:26:36 PM PST by rcrngroup
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Programs like these are actually rare in Washington State, due to the initiative process and limitations on new taxes. There’s also a contingent of dems who are fiscally conservative. But WA has other problems (e.g. homo marriage).


12 posted on 12/30/2012 10:30:06 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: Be Careful

lol no offense bro, I just have a knee jerk reaction to The Oregonian newspaper having lived in the Portland area for 12 years and listening to Lars Larson on the radio talk show.

By the way I liked the ID “Entropy” because it was one term I never clearly understood during my engineering college years. The 12 stands for the lowest golf handicap I achieved.


13 posted on 12/30/2012 10:42:04 PM PST by entropy12 (The republic is doomed when people figure out they can get free stuff by voting democrats)
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To: Be Careful

Oregonians are clueless. I remember in the 90s when Portland schools hired a committee of private sector CFOs to analyze the use of the latest tax levy increase that was supposed to fund new teachers. What they found was that NO NET NEW TEACHERS were hired and the money went entirely to existing teacher salaries. And yet the sheeple there just follow orders. Oregon will never change.


14 posted on 12/31/2012 3:12:42 AM PST by gotribe
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Debt is so Dumb and Oregon has just increased it's indebtedness and those of it's people promoting debt (Student Loans).

These days the Leftists want us into increasing debt until they think they can take over the country. The only problem is that when the communists/socialists take over they often purge (IE eliminate) the useful idiots.

15 posted on 12/31/2012 3:14:27 AM PST by sr4402
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asking voters to create a permanent state fund providing financial aid to college students...


Are these politicians and their supporters so stupid that they have no idea while college costs are totally out of control?

The answer lies in my tagline.

The law of “supply and demand” does not apply to the educational industry, only how much they can charge based upon how much “free money” they can get from the government to pay for a “piss poor” education and have unlimited funds thanks to the government.

If the educational industry had to stand on it’s own two feet and operate like a standard business, college tuition would probably be about 1/10th of what it is today.


16 posted on 12/31/2012 4:20:58 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: ThunderSleeps

Hey c’mon, 5 year plans and a centrally planned economy worked so well in the Soviet Union.


Anyone who says they can plan more than 1 year in advance is a fool.

However, we can all plan 4 years in the future when it comes to our enslavement by the communists.


17 posted on 12/31/2012 4:23:45 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Be Careful

How about a simple ‘Plan B’?

That is, states attack the higher education bubble to make a college education more affordable. How do they do this?

1) Assert that the purpose of subsidized education is so that graduates will be able to get better jobs benefiting all the people in the state.

2) Compare majors offered by state universities to job placement of graduates of those majors *in their field* within six months after graduation. If a major does not result in a job placement in that field, it no longer should be subsidized by the state government.

3) Curricula are currently “puffed” with “elective” subjects not associated with job performance after graduation. Thus the vast majority of these elective subjects should also not be subsidized, nor required for graduation.

4) Any courses not subsidized that students are willing to pay for out of pocket should continue to exist, but there should be strict limits on the use of student loans to pay for them.

In that doing these four things would reduce both the cost to the state and the expense to students by perhaps half the amount currently paid by both for a college education, they should be implemented first, before any alternative scheme in the context of the current higher education bubble is considered.


18 posted on 12/31/2012 7:41:14 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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Now, ladies and gentlemen:

BroncObama and the Entropics with their new single “The Obama Shuffle”

Talk right...walk left...talk right...walk left...(everybody now)...


19 posted on 12/31/2012 9:59:25 AM PST by VRW Conspirator (We were the tea party before there was a tea party. - Jim Robinson)
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