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America Doesn’t Have a Gun Problem, It Has a Gang Problem
FrontPageMag.com ^ | 31 Dec 12 | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on 12/31/2012 5:51:16 AM PST by LSUfan

cities are the heartland of America’s real gun culture. It isn’t the bitter gun-and-bible clingers in McCain and Romney territory who are racking up a more horrifying annual kill rate than Al Qaeda; it’s Obama’s own voting base.

Chicago matches the murder rate for Japan and is higher than the murder rates for Spain, Poland and pre-war Syria. If Chicago gets any worse, it will find itself passing the homicide rate for the entire country of Canada.

Chicago’s murder rate of 15.65 per 100,000 people looks nothing like the American 4.2 rate, the Midwestern 4.5 or the Illinois’ 5.6 rates, but it does look like the murder rates in failed countries like Rwanda, Sierra Leone and Zimbabwe. To achieve Chicago’s murder rate, African countries usually have to experience a bloody genocidal civil war or decades of tyranny.

But Chicago isn’t even all that unique. Or the worst case scenario. That would be New Orleans which at an incredible 72.8 murder rate is ten times higher than the national average. If New Orleans were a country, it would have the 2nd highest murder rate in the world, beating out El Salvador.

Louisiana went red for Romney 58 to 40, but Orleans Parish went blue for Obama 80 to 17.

St. Louis has a murder rate just a little lower than Belize. Baltimore has a worse murder rate than South Africa and Detroit has a worse murder rate than Colombia. Obama won both St. Louis and Baltimore by comfortable margins. He won Detroit’s Wayne County 73 to 26.

Homicide rates like these show that something is broken, but it isn’t broken among the Romney voters rushing to stock up on assault rifles every time Obama begins threatening their right to buy them; it’s broken among Obama’s base.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: banglist; gangs; guncontrol; guns; murders; secondamendment

1 posted on 12/31/2012 5:51:23 AM PST by LSUfan
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To: LSUfan
The rail systems of New York should be shut down and abandoned as it was the weapon of preference to the murder of the guy form India, a hate crime.
2 posted on 12/31/2012 5:56:40 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: LSUfan

And the worst gang of all is the Democratic party.


3 posted on 12/31/2012 6:06:19 AM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: Hardraade

Amen to that brother!


4 posted on 12/31/2012 6:14:03 AM PST by bt-99 ("Get off my Lawn")
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To: Hardraade

Amen to that brother!


5 posted on 12/31/2012 6:14:16 AM PST by bt-99 ("Get off my Lawn")
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To: LSUfan

Of course one would be quickly and loudly labeled as a right wing racist to point out the obvious here.

My suggestion would be to fence these places in, give them all of the fully auto weapons and ammo they could possibly want and let the situation take care of itself.

In the mean time leave the rest of us the hell alone.


6 posted on 12/31/2012 6:16:30 AM PST by technically right
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To: LSUfan
There is a war going on in America between gangs of young men who bear an uncanny resemblance to their counterparts in Sierra Leone or El Salvador. They live like them, they fight for control of the streets like them and they kill like them.

The whole point. The democRAT's policies have created this mess exactly to destroy this country as founded.

"Better to rule in hell than serve in heaven." - John Milton

7 posted on 12/31/2012 6:20:13 AM PST by Ouderkirk (Obama has turned America into an aristocracy of the unaccomplished.)
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To: LSUfan

Read the comments by the morons who think that if we outlaw guns these gangs will be disarmed. They seem to think these gangbangers are getting their guns at gun shows and private sales and not on the black market.


8 posted on 12/31/2012 6:26:40 AM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: Hardraade

Aren’t most of the other gangs wholly owned subsidiaries of that one?


9 posted on 12/31/2012 6:32:46 AM PST by Gil4 (Progressives - Trying to repeal the Law of Supply and Demand since 1848)
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To: Ouderkirk
"Better to rule in hell than serve in heaven." - John Milton

Psalm 84 Verse 10:

For a day in thy courts is better than a thousand. I had rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God, than to dwell in the tents of wickedness. - King David

10 posted on 12/31/2012 6:37:28 AM PST by Graybeard58 ("Civil rights” leader and MSNB-Hee Haw host Al Sharpton - Larry Elder)
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To: LSUfan
Chicago’s murder rate of 15.65 per 100,000 people looks nothing like the American 4.2 rate, the Midwestern 4.5 or the Illinois’ 5.6 rates, but it does look like the murder rates in failed countries like Rwanda, Sierra Leone and Zimbabwe. To achieve Chicago’s murder rate, African countries usually have to experience a bloody genocidal civil war or decades of tyranny.

Interesting DOJ statistical analysis (rare in that it breaks out Hispanic crime instead of lumping Hispanic and white crime together):

Forty-one percent of violent felons were black, non- Hispanic , 30% were Hispanic, and 26% were white, non-Hispanic. Blacks (46%) comprised a higher percentage of murderers than Hispanics (27%) or whites (23%).
If you subtract out the black and Hispanic homicides, the white homicide rate is about the same as Europe.
11 posted on 12/31/2012 6:40:03 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: LSUfan

Why are there gangs? The Democrats created 40 years of welfare and a dependent society where the gub’ment check just arrives each month with nothing expected in return. As these people get their meager check they still can’t have what others have so the only way to get it is unlawfully. The dependent society has no incentive to better one’s life.


12 posted on 12/31/2012 6:45:28 AM PST by From The Deer Stand
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To: LSUfan

All examples of Amish concentration.


13 posted on 12/31/2012 6:54:51 AM PST by School of Rational Thought (Fun for women ages 21 through 35)
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To: LSUfan
“America Doesn’t Have a Gun Problem, It Has a Gang Problem”

Most gang members are minorities.
Most gang members are young minorities.
Most gang members live in the inner cities.
Most gang members live in minority majority cities.

Oops, another inconvenient truth therefore the author of the article must be racist.

sarc/

14 posted on 12/31/2012 7:12:38 AM PST by Tupelo (I'm an old man and most people hate me, but I don't like them either so that makes it all even.)
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To: School of Rational Thought

“All examples of Amish concentration.”

You haven’t watched the new show “Amish Mafia” yet? They are bad to the bone. Best one was a shop in theirnlittl town was selling Amish goods made in China instead of local product goods. The mafia wasn’t too happy with that.


15 posted on 12/31/2012 7:13:12 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (You can't bring something to its knees that refuses to stand on its own)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Still too early... Sorry for the misspellings.


16 posted on 12/31/2012 7:14:06 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (You can't bring something to its knees that refuses to stand on its own)
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To: LSUfan
I posted on another thread - the murder rate in Chicago for 2012 is higher than the # of troops killed in Afghanistan (398 deaths) for 2012. You're safer in Afghanistan than in Chicago and guns are banned (only for the good guys) in Chicago.
17 posted on 12/31/2012 7:19:00 AM PST by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: LSUfan

No, America has a failure of will problem. One platoon of marines could fix the gang problem if we had the will to let them.


18 posted on 12/31/2012 7:21:35 AM PST by Nota particle
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To: LSUfan
We need a gang that wears our colors.


19 posted on 12/31/2012 7:31:52 AM PST by fattigermaster
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To: LSUfan

America doesn’t have a gang problem, it has a prohibition problem.


20 posted on 12/31/2012 7:42:45 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: LSUfan

We need to classify all gangs as terrorist organizations and their members a terrorists, as that is what they are. Round ‘em up and ship them off to gitmo with the rest of their murderous counterparts. Tired of being PC....


21 posted on 12/31/2012 7:49:59 AM PST by vet7279
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks LSUfan.


22 posted on 12/31/2012 7:54:46 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: vet7279

If CW2 comes,the extermination of gangs will be a priority.


23 posted on 12/31/2012 8:03:35 AM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: LSUfan

24 posted on 12/31/2012 8:06:31 AM PST by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: LSUfan

well the feds only want to disarm the law abiding white people it seems sometimes


25 posted on 12/31/2012 8:10:01 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: PapaBear3625

Thanks for that link. Another interesting stat from Bureau of Justice Statistics, November 2011:

From 1980 to 2008 about 1% of the population consisted of young black males, yet the percentage of young black male homicide offenders was 17% in 1985, 35% in 1993 and 27% in 2008.


26 posted on 12/31/2012 8:11:39 AM PST by GreyHoundSailor
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To: 2nd amendment mama

If you factor out just 4 neighborhoods in Chicago the murder rate drops to that of Switzerland.


27 posted on 12/31/2012 8:14:32 AM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Yes, the Amish are given a pass because they are quaint, but they are in a cult, with all the problems of a cult, including inbreeding.


28 posted on 12/31/2012 8:15:03 AM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: technically right

When one gang-banger murders another, police call this a victimless crime.


29 posted on 12/31/2012 8:16:28 AM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: Tupelo
Crime statistics are also being muddied as to hide the real problem. White, non-hispanic white for instance.

Our prisons are filled with close to 30% illegal aliens and illegal gang members.

The largest percentage of violent crimes are committed by minority groups.

Why not call a spade a spade. Why continue to hide this?

Our government has failed us on purpose. Republicans and Democrats have allowed our Southern border to remain wide open.

War on drugs? War on human trafficking? Really? What a farce.

Anyone ever watch the program on T.V. called “Gangland”?

This is a huge slap in the face to all Americans. Just that show alone provides enough evidence to prompt an immediate deployment of troops to our border with Mexico.

30 posted on 12/31/2012 8:27:23 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: EQAndyBuzz

The Amish Mafia is only in Hollywood. I live in Amish country and respect them. I really dont like the negroes being referred to as Amish. I know there isnt nothing bad meant, but ..............


31 posted on 12/31/2012 8:27:33 AM PST by Rannug ("God has given it to me, let him who touches it beware.")
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To: LSUfan

[[America Doesn’t Have a Gun Problem, It Has a Gang Problem]]

America Doesn’t Have a Gun Problem, It Has a Gang Problem that is protected by the left while making criminals out of law abiding citizens who own guns to protect themselves from said gang members

If you’re a criminal gang banger, you’re perfectly legal i nthe eyes of the left- but if you’re an innocent law abiding victim of criminal gang bangers- you’re guilty in the eyes of the left weho have pulled out ALL the stops in order to protect criminals and gangbangers- the left is even goign so far as to try to disarm the law abidign citizens so that criminal gang bangers will be able to rob murder rape steal or do whatever the hell they feel like doing withotu the worry of beign shot i nthe process

I’m telling ya- the radical left and their bleedign heart lawyers ARE traitors to this nation


32 posted on 12/31/2012 8:58:27 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

[[You haven’t watched the new show “Amish Mafia” yet? They are bad to the bone]]

The show is also a crock of crap- who the hell i ntheir right mind reveals ON CAMERA their illegal activities so that law enforcement can record and see them breakign the law? The makers of these shows must htink America is stupid or soemthing- it’s just liek hte ‘reality tv show Moonshiners- apparently camera crews have no trouble findign ALL the hiding spots, but law enforecement evidently is too stupid to fidn htem? and the folsk are even suppsoedly showign hteir ilelgal activity on film so that when law enforecement does catch up they can’t deny hteir crimes?

Police man in driver’s seat “Hey fred- did you just see ten camera crew members duck donwn beside gthe road over there?”

Fred “Nope Boss didn’t see nothin- Do you think we’re ever gonna catch those wascaley wittle moonshiners?”

Driver “Doesn’t look good Fred- we just have no idea where they’re makign their shine- they’re good at avoiding hte law ya know”

Fred “Wonder what the TV station A&E is doin down here?- I been seeig their trucks everywhere back i nthe woods-”


33 posted on 12/31/2012 9:08:33 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: LSUfan
Excellent article!

Expect nothing like this to see the light of day in the DNC Propaganda Organs, er, I mean, mainstream media. Journalists aren't much into facts - especially non-PC ones.

Besides, the object of the upcoming gun control is the disarmament of the least criminally threatening groups. Of course, those groups are the very ones which the same politicians fear and loathe because in the end those are the ones that might take them down. The other groups (criminals, criminal gangs, gimme minorities, etc.) are their allies and will be affected little by the draconian gun laws.

When you impose a dictatorship, you only want your friends armed so they can terrorize your opposition and help cement your power.

34 posted on 12/31/2012 9:13:11 AM PST by Gritty (I don't believe that people should be able to own guns-Barack Obama response to John Lott, 1996)
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To: Farmer Dean
"If CW2 comes,the extermination of gangs will be a priority."

Read John Ringo's "The Last Centurion", especially the section about the re-conquest of Detroit.

35 posted on 12/31/2012 9:16:55 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: LSUfan

“Chicago matches the murder rate for Japan and is higher than the murder rates for Spain, Poland and pre-war Syria. If Chicago gets any worse, it will find itself passing the homicide rate for the entire country of Canada.”

I am very surprised that neither Greenfield nor his editor know the difference between “rate” and totals.

Japan has a murder RATE of 0.4 per 100,000 people, that is one murder for every 250,000 people.

Japan had 506 murders during the last year for which data is available.

Chicago’s RATE is 15.65 per 100,000, nearly 40 times higher than Japan’s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate


36 posted on 12/31/2012 11:20:57 AM PST by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: LSUfan
Thank you.

Bump for reference

37 posted on 12/31/2012 11:27:36 AM PST by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: Tupelo

Yes, I’m sure all of your statements will be viewed as profiling.

Have you no shame?


38 posted on 12/31/2012 11:27:36 AM PST by Let's Roll (Save the world's best healthcare - REPEAL, DEFUND Obamacare!)
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To: Tupelo

"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Homicide_offending_by_race.jpg"

[DOJ original source link is dead]

39 posted on 12/31/2012 11:35:51 AM PST by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: Let's Roll

No


40 posted on 12/31/2012 11:53:52 AM PST by Tupelo (I'm an old man and most people hate me, but I don't like them either so that makes it all even.)
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To: Tupelo

I don’t either :- )


41 posted on 01/01/2013 9:50:24 AM PST by Let's Roll (Save the world's best healthcare - REPEAL, DEFUND Obamacare!)
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