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NEW ARMY HANDBOOK: 'IGNORANCE' AND 'LACK OF EMPATHY' CAUSE OF U.S. DEATHS
BreitBart ^ | 31 Dec 12 | Wynton Hall

Posted on 12/31/2012 11:32:38 AM PST by LSUfan

A new draft of a 75-page Army handbook for troops heading to Afghanistan says that American cultural insensitivity is to blame for the 63 attacks this year by Afghan soldiers against the U.S.-led coalition forces who are training them.

According to the Wall Street Journal, who obtained an advance copy of the controversial document, the draft manual states that:

"Many of the confrontations occur because of [coalition] ignorance of, or lack of empathy for, Muslim and/or Afghan cultural norms, resulting in a violent reaction from the [Afghan security force] member," according to the draft handbook prepared by Army researchers.

In 2012, U.S.-led coalition forces suffered 63 so-called “green on blue” attacks, the term used to describe Afghan soldiers attacking the very people training them. Over three dozen of those attacks were fatal.

“What the Army is saying, in effect, is that if Afghan partners conduct violence against U.S. service personnel, it is the serviceman’s fault,” says retired Adm. James A. Lyons, former commander in chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet. “This is mind-boggling.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; army; islam; jihad; jihadists; kenyanbornmuzzie; partyoftreason; waronterror
This is such DISGRACEFUL NONSENSE. When did US troops become "ignorant" and develop a "lack of empathy?"

Because in the 7 years of combat before Obama came along, THERE WAS NOT A SINGLE GREEN ON BLUE FATALITY in Afghanistan.

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE DEATHS has occurred since Obama became president.

What we need is a Congressional investigation into what changes were made to the Rules of Engagement under Obama and what impact his publicly setting a date of withdrawal had on the insurgency in Afghanistan...

1 posted on 12/31/2012 11:32:48 AM PST by LSUfan
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To: LSUfan

Maybe we need some special ops hug therapy soldiers to come host build-a-bear workshops with the Tahl-lee-ban.


2 posted on 12/31/2012 11:37:03 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: LSUfan

In other words, when a GI is murdered, he deserved it.

The dragon is in the White House.


3 posted on 12/31/2012 11:37:55 AM PST by marron
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To: LSUfan

Lack of killing people who try to kill you causes US soldier casualities. Throw the stupid book away, and get down to business. That’s what our military does best. No one here will fault them for doing their job.


4 posted on 12/31/2012 11:39:44 AM PST by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: LSUfan

The same Army that is now importing openly gay people into Muslim countries is suddenly worried about “cultural sensitivity”.


5 posted on 12/31/2012 11:40:41 AM PST by denydenydeny (Admiration of absolute government is proportionate to the contempt one has for others.-Tocqueville)
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To: LSUfan

Peel back the onion on the staffing and drafting process of this manual and you will undoubtedly find a line of subject matter expert muslims giving guidance and signing off on the wording.


6 posted on 12/31/2012 11:45:52 AM PST by TADSLOS (I took extra credit at the School of Hard Knocks)
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To: LSUfan

Another case of cultural relativists using passive aggression and lefty social hocus-pocus to turn the military into a crypto social service.

Who but the very most cynical soldiers could stand taking orders from such smug high-brows?

The real war is the one by The State against it’s very own people...


7 posted on 12/31/2012 11:46:48 AM PST by gaijin
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To: LSUfan
From shock and awe to slap and tickle.
8 posted on 12/31/2012 11:48:11 AM PST by Happy Rain ("Outlawing guns because of Adam Lanza would be like outlawing free speech because of Bill Maher.")
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> The dragon is in the White House.

A primary al-Qaeda cell can be called a dragon, yes.


9 posted on 12/31/2012 11:48:44 AM PST by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: LSUfan

When did US troops become “ignorant” and develop a “lack of empathy?”

Gee, where do we hear that very same rhetoric?

Remember boys and girls diversity is a strength! And you are evil for being white...


10 posted on 12/31/2012 11:53:03 AM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: LSUfan

The Military has become politicized.

Yes, political pressure and influence was always there, but now all the political cliches, correctness and social causes of DC’s ruling elite have washed over the military as well.


11 posted on 12/31/2012 11:54:09 AM PST by PGR88
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To: LSUfan

The lingua franca in this part of the world is violence. The more we shift our language from violence (the traditional stock in trade of militaries all over the world) to “understanding the enemy”, the more clearly those enemies speak back to us, using violence.

Why would we gain greater compliance and mutual understanding by then AGAIN trying to, “understand” them?

“The definition of insanity is where you try the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result”.

Admittedly they do hump boys and burros, but come now:

Who are the really crazy ones in this struggle? Them? Or us?


12 posted on 12/31/2012 11:55:59 AM PST by gaijin
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To: LSUfan

Any army that is not dedicated to killing the enemy and breaking his stuff should come home. Any government that sends an army out with any goal other than total victory should be abolished as unfit to lead.


13 posted on 12/31/2012 11:58:57 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: LSUfan

Nope. It’s the stupidity and self-aggrandizement of the generals and admirals.


14 posted on 12/31/2012 12:05:29 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: LSUfan

Soo, everyone who died....it was their own fault. Or their squad’s fault. Or their division’s fault. Or the American People’s fault...

This is revolting.

They hate us. They are violent. They should be left in their own sandbox. Every American needs to leave there and come home.


15 posted on 12/31/2012 12:06:42 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist Totalitarian Fascism coming to a country like yours.)
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“What we need is a Congressional investigation....”

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That would need for congresscritters to grow a spine.

You’re asking for miracles.


16 posted on 12/31/2012 12:09:11 PM PST by 353FMG
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So when a Muslim decides to take out a bunch of US lawmakers and a bunch of the cocktail party circuit Generals, it will be due to their (the lawmakers and generals) ignorance and lack of empathy?


17 posted on 12/31/2012 12:12:34 PM PST by petitfour
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Thanks LSUfan.
"Many of the confrontations occur because of [coalition] ignorance of, or lack of empathy for, Muslim and/or Afghan cultural norms, resulting in a violent reaction from the [Afghan security force] member," according to the draft handbook prepared by Army researchers... “What the Army is saying, in effect, is that if Afghan partners conduct violence against U.S. service personnel, it is the serviceman’s fault,” says retired Adm. James A. Lyons, former commander in chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet. “This is mind-boggling.”
It's true -- ignorance of the fact that ALL muzzies EVERYWHERE are willing and enthusiastic followers of a mass-murdering subhuman pedophile results in these attacks.


18 posted on 12/31/2012 12:17:08 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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LSU Fan,

I was an adviser with the ANA a few years ago and can tell you there is an element of truth that Westerns have been tone deaf. But it was only that, an element. On the flip side, many more advisers performed well and some performed brilliantly. I saw a young TSgt teach 6 Afghan counterparts pretty good English by sipping tea with them and using a Rosetta Stone knock off CD he bought for a few Afghanis at a bazaar. We also had a couple of master degree totting O’s that had to be sent to work staff jobs because they just couldn’t deal with people that looked, ate and thought differently.

That said the Army blaming our overall failure on insensitivity is an enormous cop-out. Wars aren’t lost or won for a single reason but the largest part of our failure is a lack of commitment most visibly identified by setting a fixed date for withdrawing. Americans and our ISAF allies get to go home someday no matter how the war ends. Individual Afghans and their families have to have to stay and most of them know from painful experience that you don’t want to have been on the wrong side after a civil war ends.

Other huge blunders include doing away with the Former Soviet Union conscript based rank structure and substituting a Western professional military model. One day a man with 20 or more years in the forces was a Captain, the next he was a Staff Sergeant (a rank formerly held by draftees that had finished high school). I could also go on about many other failings.

Just a handful of other missteps that I saw…Buying over sophisticated weapons systems for them. Taking 3 to 4 years to build an IFR Air Force instead of putting some pretty good VFR aircrews to work today….

In the end, it comes down to weak/undeceived political and military leadership.

19 posted on 12/31/2012 12:31:14 PM PST by Red Dog #1
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Actually it’s ingorance and lack of sanity - among the CIC. and politicians in general - far too many Generals fit the same bill...


20 posted on 12/31/2012 1:06:07 PM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: Red Dog #1

Thank you for your post. It is nice to know what the soldier’s eye view of the issue look like.


21 posted on 12/31/2012 1:30:33 PM PST by Little Ray (Get back to work. Your urban masters need their EBTs refilled.)
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To: LSUfan

First obama says the cops acted stupidly and now it’s the military’s turn.


22 posted on 12/31/2012 2:10:59 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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...on the enemys’ part these things are the root cause.


23 posted on 12/31/2012 2:20:44 PM PST by Crucial (Tolerance at the expense of equal treatment is the path to tyranny.)
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...on the enemys’ part these things are the root cause. It's always about transference.
24 posted on 12/31/2012 2:22:31 PM PST by Crucial (Tolerance at the expense of equal treatment is the path to tyranny.)
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...on the enemys’ part these things are the root cause. It's always about transference.
25 posted on 12/31/2012 2:24:00 PM PST by Crucial (Tolerance at the expense of equal treatment is the path to tyranny.)
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27 posted on 12/31/2012 5:31:31 PM PST by Nachum (The List is off the Google blacklist- www.nachumlist.com)
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Withdraw our insensitive military, send in ALL the sensitive “community organizers”, led by Dear Leader of course, Rev’s Sharpton, Jackson, Wright, and Barney Frank and his bun-picked team of decorators, firearm experts Feinstein, Schumer, close field coverage from the Dem-MSM talking heads,.........ooops! Awake now. Reality sucks.


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30 posted on 12/31/2012 6:08:37 PM PST by narses
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Liberalism is a mental disorder.


31 posted on 12/31/2012 6:15:40 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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I suppose it would be comforting for them to know that being shot or blown up has nothing to do with getting killed.But, then again, shit like this is what the majority of those who voted in the 2012 election voted for. No wonder bastards like obama are in power.


32 posted on 12/31/2012 6:44:00 PM PST by sport
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That would need for congresscritters to grow a spine. You’re asking for miracles.

There are some thing that are beyond miracles, my FRiend. Republican congresscritters growing spines are one of them.

33 posted on 12/31/2012 6:49:50 PM PST by sport
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This is another CYA for the Army.

Never blame the upper rankers for their errors in coddling terrorists and treating soldiers like crap or like servants as a currency payment for their good political relationships.

This handbook obviously appologizes and vindicates the relationships with terrorists and blames “kantakerous soldiers” for sabotaging it.

This is the usual JAG/IG treachery.


34 posted on 12/31/2012 7:07:00 PM PST by lavaroise
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Sounds like the chickens have come home to roost.


35 posted on 01/01/2013 12:31:16 PM PST by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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What we need to do is get our troops and all of our assets out of there and let them flounder about on their own.


36 posted on 01/01/2013 1:12:09 PM PST by Silentgypsy (If you love your freedom, thank a vet.)
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This sounds, looks and reads like a manual to a mental health ward.

Seriously, place them side by side and read the rules and regs for anyone in the psychiatric/mental health field. This is absolutely tragic.

37 posted on 01/01/2013 6:11:02 PM PST by Karliner ( Jeremiah 29:11, Romans 8:28, Romans 8:38"...this is the end of the beginning."WC)
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