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Why the 2nd Amendment
Creators Syndicate ^ | Jabuary 2, 2013 | Walter E. Williams

Posted on 12/31/2012 11:59:33 AM PST by jazusamo

Rep. John Lewis, D-Ga., in the wake of the Newtown, Conn., shootings, said: "The British are not coming. ... We don't need all these guns to kill people." Lewis' vision, shared by many, represents a gross ignorance of why the framers of the Constitution gave us the Second Amendment. How about a few quotes from the period and you decide whether our Founding Fathers harbored a fear of foreign tyrants.

Alexander Hamilton: "The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed," adding later, "If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government." By the way, Hamilton is referring to what institution when he says "the representatives of the people"?

James Madison: "(The Constitution preserves) the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation ... (where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms."

Thomas Jefferson: "What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms."

George Mason, author of the Virginia Bill of Rights, which inspired our Constitution's Bill of Rights, said, "To disarm the people — that was the best and most effectual way to enslave them."

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1 posted on 12/31/2012 11:59:36 AM PST by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo

Pfl


2 posted on 12/31/2012 12:04:31 PM PST by Clump ( the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: jazusamo
Yo' Rep. Lewis... The British aren't coming. They are already here.

THEY ARE YOU.

3 posted on 12/31/2012 12:06:26 PM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: jazusamo
The Jews did not know the Nazis were coming.

The Germans passed a strict gun contol law in 1928, just before Hitler was voted in, in 1933.

4 posted on 12/31/2012 12:09:27 PM PST by gatex (NRA, and Gun Owners of America)
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To: jazusamo
George Mason, author of the Virginia Bill of Rights, which inspired our Constitution's Bill of Rights

Not really. Both were inspired by the English Bill of Rights of 1689.

I don't understand why conservatives don't reference the 1689 BoR more often.

It specifically returned the right to keep and bear arms to Protestants, who had recently been disarmed by a tyrant king. Of course, only those the government of the time thought reliable were given this right: Protestants and members of the upper classes.

Our BoR went a step farther and recognized that all people had the right to be armed.

5 posted on 12/31/2012 12:09:42 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Dead Corpse

Exactly...


6 posted on 12/31/2012 12:09:42 PM PST by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: jazusamo
George Mason, author of the Virginia Bill of Rights, which inspired our Constitution's Bill of Rights

Not really. Both were inspired by the English Bill of Rights of 1689.

I don't understand why conservatives don't reference the 1689 BoR more often.

It specifically returned the right to keep and bear arms to Protestants, who had recently been disarmed by a tyrant king. Of course, only those the government of the time thought reliable were given this right: Protestants and members of the upper classes.

Our BoR went a step farther and recognized that all people had the right to be armed.

7 posted on 12/31/2012 12:12:06 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: jazusamo
Today's Americans are vastly better-armed than our founders

Quite true. But the disproportion between the firepower of the patriot militia and that of the British army was a LOT less that between today's unorganized militia and a modern military force.

8 posted on 12/31/2012 12:16:10 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: jazusamo
Williams must have been reading this thread, Regulating the Militia - The Second Amendment is about protecting ourselves from the state, because he just happens to quote the same passage by Hamilton from the Federalist Papers that I posted in this post, and again in this post, three days ago.

Or, it's quite the coincidence that we both pulled the same obscure quote at the same time.

-PJ

9 posted on 12/31/2012 12:17:01 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: jazusamo
STICK TO YOUR GUNS
10 posted on 12/31/2012 12:19:34 PM PST by SENTINEL (I lie, I cheat, I steal, I communize, I sacrifice unborn babies, I'm Harry Reid and I'm a mormon)
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To: Sherman Logan
A good point. Should it ever come to a shooting rebellion I believe that many police and military would not fire on Americans fighting for our Constitution though hopefully it doesn't come to that.
11 posted on 12/31/2012 12:24:54 PM PST by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: Clump
In the ante-bellum South, slaves were not allowed to keep or bear arms.

So John Lewis supports a return to slavery.

12 posted on 12/31/2012 12:26:43 PM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

Interesting...Thanks. I wouldn’t doubt that Williams reads FR and I don’t normally believe in coincidences.


13 posted on 12/31/2012 12:29:03 PM PST by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: jazusamo

the criminals are coming.

the crazies that shot up your kids, are coming. yes let’s stay disarmed so the next crazie has an easy time blowing away a bunch of people.

the crazies are not law abiding gun owners, this is the disconnect. all people with guns are not all automatically bad. they see people every day that have guns aned never know it.

gun owners who carry generally are nicer than average because they don’t want trouble - because whatever trouble they get into gets “while armed” added onto it.


14 posted on 12/31/2012 12:30:18 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: jazusamo

Write Rep. John Lewis, D-Ga down on a Google search for images and you will see the problem right off.


15 posted on 12/31/2012 12:48:08 PM PST by Venturer
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To: jazusamo

I don’t believe that for a minute.

Police and military will do what they are told.

A few may balk, but the vast majority will do what they are told. After all they get to keep their guns.


16 posted on 12/31/2012 12:50:49 PM PST by Venturer
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To: jazusamo
you are the reason john lewis... you and every tyrant in DC. We have to be armed because we would be your slave without them. May your days be short and your eternity spent burning.

LLS

17 posted on 12/31/2012 1:04:56 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Sherman Logan
Today's Americans are vastly better-armed than our founders

So is the enemy of the people.

18 posted on 12/31/2012 1:10:20 PM PST by Iron Munro (I MISS AMERICA !)
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To: jazusamo

WHY THE OBAMATRON LEFTISTS AND OTHER ANTI-CONSTITUTIONALISTS WANT GUN CONTROL

Found the following at http://www.grouchyoldcripple.com/

In 1929 the Soviet Union established gun control.
From 1929 to 1953, approximately 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control.
From 1915-1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938.
From 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally ill, and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935.
From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Guatemala established gun control in 1964.
From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970.
From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956.
From 1975 to 1977, one million “educated” people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

That places total victims who lost their lives because of gun control at approximately 56 million in the last century.

Since we should learn from the mistakes of history, the next time someone talks in favor of gun control, find out which group of citizens they wish to have exterminated.


19 posted on 12/31/2012 1:24:04 PM PST by Iron Munro (I MISS AMERICA !)
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To: Venturer

The problem is south Fulton County, much of which is in this person’s district.


20 posted on 12/31/2012 1:24:19 PM PST by Little Ray (Get back to work. Your urban masters need their EBTs refilled.)
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To: Iron Munro

bttt


21 posted on 12/31/2012 1:30:06 PM PST by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: reg45
So John Lewis supports a return to slavery.

While would not characterize it as such, Lewis would have no problem with reestablishing "the plantation," so long as he was in charge. It has nothing to do with his color; everything to do with his leftism.

22 posted on 12/31/2012 1:32:47 PM PST by RobinOfKingston (Democrats--the party of Evil. Republicans--the party of Stupid.)
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To: Iron Munro

Righto.

At the time of the Revolution the riflemen of the back country were masters of a weapon that in several aspects was much more effective than anything commonly used by the British Army.

As a large detachment of that army discovered at King’s Mountain, and a great many British officers found out over the course of the war.

The long rifle was not, however, a viable weapon in a full-bore battle. Took several times as long to load. It wasn’t till the 1860s that a rapid-loading rifle became available. When it did, the days of massed infantry assaults were over, though it took another 50 years for the generals to get it thru their heads.


23 posted on 12/31/2012 1:56:19 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Little Ray

That’s the way it always is pardner. These districts are set up as affirmative action for Democrat Districts.

Th whole CBC got put into office that way.


24 posted on 12/31/2012 1:58:15 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Sherman Logan
Sherman Logan said: "But the disproportion between the firepower of the patriot militia and that of the British army was a LOT less that between today's unorganized militia and a modern military force."

I'm not so sure.

Most cities in the U.S. during the Revolution were located on the coasts and were dependent upon shipping.

The Militia surprised the occupying forces in Boston by taking the big guns from Fort Ticonderoga, dragging them to Boston, and placing them, during the night, on the hills surrounding Boston and Boston Harbor. This enabled the Militia to free Boston and sent their enemy's army and navy scurrying away.

It was not long before the enemy ships showed up in New York and used the surprise provided by their navy's mobility to take New York.

At the end of the war, if not for the timely arrival of the French navy off Yorktown, Virginia, the enemy may have been able to make off in its ships and simply relocate again.

Washington was very careful to avoid LOSING the war in any given battle and was able to survive to see a decisive victory.

Similarly, the people of the U.S. need to simply avoid losing a key battle to eventually win the war against the counter-Revolutionaries who wish to eliminate our right to keep and bear arms.

25 posted on 12/31/2012 2:56:05 PM PST by William Tell
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To: William Tell

I do not understand your point. I was addressing specifically the firepower or weaponry each side had, not the strategy with which they were used.

If we are going to talk strategy, the Americans were foolish to repeatedly try for battlefield victory. Guerrilla warfare was more effective in their circumstances. However, the idea of guerrilla warfare wasn’t well developed yet, and patriot reliance on it might have demoralized their supporters so much they would have given in to the King.

Weaponry was almost identical. In fact, for the first couple years the biggest armament advantage the Brits had was their bayonets, which the colonists were slow to get. Also the colonists often had considerable difficulty with the quantity and quality of their gunpowder.

That the British won most of the battles throughout the war was a consequence of their generally greater skill and discipline, especially against militia, not of any weaponry advantage.

I’m not addressing the naval issue, where obviously the Royal Navy outclassed any possible American fleet by ridiculous amounts.


26 posted on 12/31/2012 3:15:31 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Little Ray

Well I heard on the car radio that he was just notified that his wife died today. I guess unexpectedly.


27 posted on 12/31/2012 3:45:50 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Venturer
Write Rep. John Lewis, D-Ga down on a Google search for images and you will see the problem right off.

I did as you suggested. What's the 'problem' I was supposed to see 'right off'?

28 posted on 12/31/2012 4:21:01 PM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Scoutmaster

If you didn’t see it there is no need to explain it.


29 posted on 12/31/2012 6:56:15 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Sherman Logan
Sherman Logan said: "I’m not addressing the naval issue, where obviously the Royal Navy outclassed any possible American fleet by ridiculous amounts."

My point is that the Royal Navy was an instrument of mobility and massive firepower. The naval guns dominated any port city. Had the Royal Navy not been opposed by the French at Yorktown, then the war would not have ended with the surrender of Cornwallis and the Revolution might well have been unsuccessful.

Without the cannon from Ticonderoga, Boston might well have remained under occupation and Boston could have been reinforced rather than abandoned.

30 posted on 01/01/2013 9:12:52 AM PST by William Tell
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To: jazusamo

bttt


31 posted on 01/01/2013 9:22:24 AM PST by bmwcyle (We have gone over the cliff and we are about to hit the bottom)
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To: William Tell

The British could not win the war by occupying seaports. They had to somehow either crush the rebellion or convince the colonists to give up.

I disagree that the surrender of Cornwallis at Yorktown was essential to the ending of the war.

The British were losing, strategically speaking, from the very beginning. Their basic problem was that the colonies had no single vulnerable spot. Unless the British could break the colonists’ will to resist, they would have to conquer and occupy the entire country and hold it down by military force. This was quite beyond their capabilities.

They first attempted to crush the center of disaffection in MA, succeeeding mainly in rallying the other colonies to their defense.

Then they occupied the strategic point of NY, very nearly destroying the American army in the process. Closest they ever came to winning. But no sense of urgency kept them from following thru.

They they tried their best-conceived strategic move, Burgoyne’s invasion from Canada combined with a thrust up the Hudson. But the Brits in NYC preferred to go haring off the Philadelphia to win “glory” for themselves by conquering the “capital” of the rebellion. Burgoyne got trapped, the French entered the war, and victory became quite impossible, though it took them a number of years to admit to it.

Aside from various raids on coastal objectives, the major following move was an attempt to roll the colonies up from the South, the mission Cornwallis was engaged in when he got trapped at Yorktown.

The British could march anywhere they wanted in the South, and won almost all the battles, but the minute their army marched on the militias closed in behind them and their “conquest” vanished.

The British basic problem was the same one the Union had in our Civil War. The Americans (and the South) only had to avoid losing, the British (and the Union) had to win.

The Union figured out how to accomplish this, the British never did.


32 posted on 01/01/2013 9:55:36 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: jazusamo

BTTT!


33 posted on 01/09/2013 12:27:17 AM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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