Posted on 12/31/2012 9:58:28 PM PST by SeekAndFind
Edited on 12/31/2012 10:24:08 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
Well if they are going over the cliff anyway then the house should take their time, muck up the works and not even vote until it is amended and includes spending cuts. Without spending cuts this is just a meaningless load of crap.
This is being done on a holiday whether its in the daylight or the middle of the night.
Here in PA our state legislature and the leaders of both parties used the July 4th holiday weekend back in 2005 to vote themselves, judges and other government officials pay raises of 16 percent.
The back room business as usual politicians will get the votes together to pass the dirty deal and give members who feel threatened by the Tea Party grassroots patriots the ability to vote NO.
The NO votes on this need more pressure than the YES ones because they must put conservative words and talk into conservative action.
The majority of the GOP that will likely oppose this deal must be a majority to replace liberal GOP leaders or form their own conservative caucus.
If they can’t or won’t, they are phony and blowing smoke to us folks back home.
What is the source of your optimism? THIS House will cave in. Boner has to have this finished before the new congress is sworn in. Why? Fewer republicans and more new conservatives who will not vote for this crap. There is no time to amend and revote. Whatever the Senate passes Boner will twist arms to get passed.
Just heard from Brown’s office that they are voting at 1:40.
The House will pass it. There are good things in it as it stands. Obama caved to the 400/450k limit. AMT is gone permenantly. The cuts come later and they will.
The House will pass it. There are good things in it as it stands, such as it is. Obama caved to the 400/450k limit. Give him that much. AMT is gone permanently. The cuts come later and they will.
You must be Boner in disguise. Name ONE SINGLE TIME the cuts (real cuts) came later. I have ocean front property in Kansas I bet I can sell you.
Not holding my breath but this part had to be done.
Call me all the names you want. The fact remains that this part needed to be passed and we are not going to get everything we want right now in this bill.
Rhinelander - I agree, its a good start. If the House throws in a few more things the public really likes this could be a good start. I would ask for ending ‘child tax credits for illegals’ and pay raises for Gov’t employees. It would be hard for the RATs to turn down those two items in the face of public opinion.
Oh certainly. Hell I’d call for dissolving SSI and SSDI. Preserve SS for what it was meant for, turn Medicrap all back to the states.
There’s still going to be a 20 trillion dollar plus debt by the end of this decade.
Spare me the drama about “cuts.”
We’ve all learned by now that Washington’s “cuts” aren’t really “cuts.”
If they were real cuts, we would have a balanced budget by now in this country.
But notice we don’t and won’t with the GOP business as usual crowd in charge.
My own senator Pat Toomey proposed a balanced budget ten years down the road and Paul Ryan’s much ballyhooed ideas put the balanced budget ten years plus down the road.....
Yeah, it’s all reductions in the amount of increase. Sickening reality. Not only do ‘entitlements’ need to be really cut but entire departments need to be cut.
‘Tis not a name but a fact that has been ignored for decades. Enjoy your pragmatic waltzes and rule of men.
Mitchy called Biden so he could ride in on a white horse, you couldn’t see the white horse because his teeth were so white everyone was blinded. Way to go, Mitchie! God knows I despise these people.
Wisconsinlady, I’ve decided not to bother God with prayers about these crooks in government. Apparently He doesn’t care one way or the other. So I’ll use my prayers to ask that His will be done and that I be able to accept whatever His will is.
Heard Krauthiemer(sp?) say the same thing this evening. Nearly tossed my supper. Just another reason why I find ALL politicians such loathsome bastards.
What color is the sky in your world?
None the less, there’s some truth to it. I can’t believe how meny people here talk like the GOP has a choice between raising taxes or not. The truth is they cannot stop a tax increase. Maybe some folks finally get that the choice is between higher taxes for a small percentage of top earners or tax increases on everyone. Of course they agreed to the whole “fiscal cliff” deal in the first place because everyone thought we would have a pub president and congress. If we did it would have been brilliant. Oh well...
Puh-leeze. Enough of the ‘optics’, we’ve seen enough already. I can’t believe someone would say that...must be RINO advisors...and we saw how well that turned out last election.
When the media owns the message and are in the tank for The Won, every little bit the Republicans can do to get their message through is helpful. I am amazed that we actually got to see and hear a member of Congress criticize the president's fiscal cliff "speech" yesterday.
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