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Unlicensed Means You're Deadlier
Townhall.com ^ | January 1, 2012 | Debra J. Saunders

Posted on 01/01/2013 7:44:23 AM PST by Kaslin

Unlicensed drivers are nearly three times likelier than licensed drivers to cause a fatal crash in California. Indeed, unlicensed drivers are likelier to cause fatal crashes than drivers who have had their licenses suspended or revoked. So found a new study released by the California Department of Motor Vehicles.

The study recommended "the use of countermeasures, including vehicle impoundment," to save lives.

That's a problem for San Francisco. In 2009, then-Mayor Gavin Newsom said police would allow unlicensed drivers to avoid a 30-day impound if they could find someone with a license to drive away their car in 20 minutes.

Then-police Chief (current District Attorney) George Gascon told the San Francisco Chronicle the city wanted to be sensitive to those who "can't get a driver's license because of their immigration status." He later told me that the city also wanted to accommodate others who could not afford driver training -- that is, people who might or might not know how to drive safely.

That policy seemed reckless and wrong to me. As the Los Angeles Police Protective League blogged in opposition to a similar LA policy, "there are two fundamental reasons ... vehicle impounding of unlicensed drivers is smart law enforcement. First, an unlicensed driver willing to ignore the law is, at least temporarily, less likely to further violate this law because he or she will not have access to the impounded vehicle. Second, the cost and inconvenience of recovering an impounded vehicle discourages people without licenses from driving. That is precisely why the state (Legislature) enacted the 30-day hold law."

Don Rosenberg blames San Francisco's lax attitude for his son Drew's death. In November 2010, an unlicensed driver made a left turn and hit Drew and his motorcycle. Drew Rosenberg died after Roberto Galo backed up over his body.

Five months earlier, San Francisco police had stopped Galo for driving the wrong way on a one-way street and driving without a license. The city impounded Galo's car but released it to a licensed driver the next day. Galo was driving that car in the fatal crash.

"In no circumstance does the Police Department allow either a person without a driver's license or a person with a suspended license to maintain control of a vehicle," Chief Greg Suhr told me. Technically true, but City Hall policy invites them to get their cars back.

Advocates for illegal immigration have argued that the answer is to allow illegal immigrants to obtain driver's licenses. Would that make a difference? Galo was a legal immigrant. He could have obtained a license, but he didn't. (The study noted that the "over-involvement rate" of unlicensed drivers didn't change after a 1994 state law required documentation of legal status; the rate should have fallen if safe drivers were denied licenses.)

"Everybody has to obey the rules of the road," Rosenberg said -- unless you're an unlicensed driver in San Francisco.

City government goes out of its way to get people out of their cars. Parking is scarce and pricey. Good San Franciscans are urged to take public transit -- unless they're unlicensed and nearly three times as likely to kill someone in a car crash. Then City Hall wants them to have a car.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: aliens; california; death; driverslicense; illegalimmigrants

1 posted on 01/01/2013 7:44:36 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
OK,fair enough.Institute a mandatory five year prison sentence on *anyone* caught driving without a valid driver's license.
2 posted on 01/01/2013 7:47:46 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (When Robbing Peter To Pay Paul,One Can Always Count On Paul's Cooperation)
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To: Gay State Conservative

And impound the car. But that was done away with DUI’s.


3 posted on 01/01/2013 7:49:56 AM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: Kaslin

Knowing Saunders, she feels exactly the same way about guns.


4 posted on 01/01/2013 7:51:34 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Kaslin

Unlicensed driver <- undocumented resident <- illegal alien.


5 posted on 01/01/2013 7:52:26 AM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Kaslin

Feinstein needs to look into this and the Hollywood Stars and
make sure automobiles are banned from public use — this would stop illegal driving! (Huge Slice of Sarcasm)

Of course this video makes the same point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1SZurGArxE


6 posted on 01/01/2013 7:55:21 AM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: Kaslin

It’s not that licensing makes you safer. It’s that responsible people follow rules.

People with licenses are precisely the people who don’t need them.


7 posted on 01/01/2013 7:58:02 AM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: Kaslin

Not unlicensed, illegal citizens of other countries, mostly Mexicans.

The insanity is destroying our country by actually worrying about illegals rather than sending them home.

We have to keep hearing that America will soon be a “minority country” when this is being engineered through illegal immigration to bring about a leftist democrat takeover.


8 posted on 01/01/2013 8:00:25 AM PST by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way!)
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To: ctdonath2

“It’s not that licensing makes you safer. It’s that responsible people follow rules. People with licenses are precisely the people who don’t need them.”

To put it more simply, the education/training that goes into earning a drivers’ license is usually lacking in someone that doesn’t bother getting one.

On a related note, these illegals wouldn’t even be here if Americans would just have families.


9 posted on 01/01/2013 8:08:37 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Kaslin
Saunders clearly does not understand the entitled status of those only wanting to make a living, and desires to demonize police for shirking their duty as revenue collectors for all the public servants that work under nearly intolerable conditions keeping us safe and training our children for the future.
10 posted on 01/01/2013 8:12:50 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Kaslin
"Everybody has to obey the rules of the road," Rosenberg said

Just not immigration laws.

11 posted on 01/01/2013 8:14:16 AM PST by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: Kaslin

I got the wrong thread. Was expecting to see a gun owner topic. While here I will leave my .02.
THERE SHOULD BE NO LICENSES FOR ANY ILLEGAL ALIEN. What part of ILLEGAL do they not understand?? We all need to copy Maricopa Joe. Happy New Year...


12 posted on 01/01/2013 8:22:41 AM PST by halfright (FAST & FURIOUS! DON'T ALLOW THEM TO DIVERT YOUR ATTENTION.)
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To: Kaslin

You should hear the screeching of the liberals over Rick Snyder signing the bill that requires abortion clinics to be licensed and have an actual doctor on site.


13 posted on 01/01/2013 8:29:30 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: halfright
THERE SHOULD BE NO LICENSES FOR ANY ILLEGAL ALIEN. What part of ILLEGAL do they not understand?

I disagree somewhat with that. The only direction, and it should be One-Way is for them to be allowed to drive south, until they reach Mexico

14 posted on 01/01/2013 8:34:32 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Navy Patriot

Trying to find a spot in your sentence to inject a little more sarcasm and found none. Nicely put.


15 posted on 01/01/2013 8:38:31 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian (I hope we're ready to get a real candidate next time. C'mon GOP! <BCC><)
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To: Kaslin
I dunno. Daughter begged to take her driving test and so we obliged thinking there was no way she'd pass. Imagine our horror and surprise when she came back from her road test and gave us the "thumbs up"! Driving test took a whole five min. did not include most of the things I had to do "back in the day".

Even though she had a full license, we didn't allow her to drive alone for some time.

16 posted on 01/01/2013 8:48:41 AM PST by Calm_Cool_and_Elected (" Undecided Voter: someone who parades their stupidity as proof of their morality." ~David Burge)
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To: Blue Collar Christian

I thought about a second paragraph on understanding Latino rage, but it didn’t quite come together.


17 posted on 01/01/2013 8:51:38 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Calm_Cool_and_Elected

Good on you not letting her drive full time. Most young people think as soon as they get their drivers license they are experienced enough to speed, and nothing happens to them.

I was 26 when I made my drivers license. My instructer, that I had hired told me that it takes 10 years to know if you are a good driver or not.


18 posted on 01/01/2013 9:02:48 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: ctdonath2

I am not sure if I understand you. Do you mean that peoples with drivers licenses do not need to follow the rules?


19 posted on 01/01/2013 9:07:44 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

No, I mean people who get licenses are people who will follow rules and behave well (on the whole) regardless of licenses; people who don’t get licenses (but are supposed to) won’t follow rules requiring them to. Making more rules to control the latter won’t work because the targeted group is defined by not following rules, so you just end up hassling the rule followers even more.

Licensing controls exactly the wrong people. ...be they drivers or gun owners.


20 posted on 01/01/2013 9:22:52 AM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: Navy Patriot

Sweet! You and St. Paul with your one sentence paragraphs...


21 posted on 01/01/2013 9:23:28 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian (I hope we're ready to get a real candidate next time. C'mon GOP! <BCC><)
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To: Blue Collar Christian

I am unworthy of that company.


22 posted on 01/01/2013 9:34:32 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: DTogo

My thoughts exactly! This is all just bullsh!t hyperbole that seeks to mask the real problem of 20-50 Million Illegal Aliens who have invaded our country and subjected it to massive crime, disease, and depletion of our social resources as well has presenting the problem of what to do about unlicensed, uninsured criminals of a larger nature.


23 posted on 01/01/2013 9:39:27 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Kaslin
THE most important car insurance a person can own is ‘uninsured motorist insurance’.

In Florida they had to pass a law forcing insurance companies to inform potential customers it was available. If an uninsured driver hits you and causes you to miss work - your insurance will NOT cover your wages unless you have uninsured motorist. There's other benefits too - check with your agent.

It's cheaper than collision - add it today - protect your family.

24 posted on 01/01/2013 10:42:49 AM PST by GOPJ (It's not possible to be a Progressive and not be a hypocrite. Freeper TigersEye.)
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To: GOPJ
Uninsured motorist protection in Florida is also misleading. Many insureds believe it means if they are hit by someone without insurance, they are covered. That is untrue. If you do not have collision coverage, your uninsured motorist coverage won't help.....it's medical coverage.......not property coverage. If you have medical insurance you really don't need UM; after your PIP pays (80% up to 10,000), your medical bills will be paid by your health insurance.
25 posted on 01/01/2013 11:02:58 AM PST by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: Kaslin
Unlicensed drivers are nearly three times likelier than licensed drivers to cause a fatal crash in California.

Does that mean that out of every 4 fatal crashes, 3 are caused by unlicensed drivers?

Or does it mean that members of the presumably smaller group of unlicensed drivers are three times as likely to cause a fatal accident as members of the group of licensed drivers?

If it is the latter, then I wonder if the statistic is accurate because it must be difficult to know exactly how many unlicensed drivers there are.

26 posted on 01/01/2013 11:15:02 AM PST by wideminded
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To: Kaslin
"Unlicensed" = "Illegal"

Can't say that though.

27 posted on 01/01/2013 11:18:08 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Democracy is indispensable to socialism. The goal of socialism is communism." --Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Kaslin
"Unlicensed Means You're Deadlier" only if law abiding drivers are licensed.

Give the judges more discretion to keep more people in dungeons longer for all kinds of regulatory excuses. Continue the madness of fascism and corruption (see untouchables). See what happens before long (see default process, smaller and weaker government, working class cohesion ahead).

As for bad headlines and writers not getting to the point soon enough, too bad. Wanna solve the problem? Fence off California and New York. Secede them.


28 posted on 01/01/2013 11:38:26 AM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Neah.
If the guy is licensed but doesn’t have the license, impound the car and he can get it out impound on presenting the license and paying the fine.

If the guy is unlicensed, confiscate the car. He NEVER gets it back.


29 posted on 01/01/2013 11:56:00 AM PST by Little Ray (Get back to work. Your urban masters need their EBTs refilled.)
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To: Andrei Bulba
We have to keep hearing that America will soon be a “minority country” when this is being engineered through illegal immigration to bring about a leftist democrat takeover.

Already done. The Obama/Daley/Emmanuel machine in Chicago has scores of thousands of illegals organized and voting, they've got a lock on the State of Illinois. Obama took that act national this last year -- I've seen claims, not documented fully (if there were, indictments would ensue, right?), that Obama stole as many as 80 electoral votes using dead, moved, or illegal-immigrant votes. I don't know how true it is, but I have a bad feeling it may be.

30 posted on 01/01/2013 11:45:49 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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