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Our debt isn't the problem (Why worry about balancing the federal budget at all?)
NewEconPerspectives ^ | January 1, 2013 | Stephanie Kelton

Posted on 01/01/2013 4:43:34 PM PST by gunsequalfreedom

Look, up in the sky! It’s a “fiscal cliff.” It’s a slope. It’s an obstacle course.

The truth is, it doesn’t really matter what we call it. It only matters what it is: a lamebrained package of economic depressants bearing down on a lame-duck Congress.

This hastily concocted mix of across-the-board spending cuts and tax increases for all was supposed to force Congress to get serious about dealing with our nation’s debt and deficit. The question everyone’s asking is this: On whose backs should we balance the federal budget? One side wants higher taxes; the other wants spending cuts. And while that debate rages, the right question is being ignored: Why are we worried about balancing the federal budget at all?

You read that right. We may strive to balance our work and leisure time and to eat a balanced diet. Our Constitution enshrines the principle of balance among our three branches of government. And when it comes to our personal finances, we know that the family checkbook must balance.

So when we hear that the federal government hasn’t balanced its books in more than a decade, it seems sensible to demand a return to that kind of balance in Washington as well. But that would actually be a huge mistake.

History tells the tale. The federal government has achieved fiscal balance (even surpluses) in just seven periods since 1776, bringing in enough revenue to cover all of its spending during 1817-21, 1823-36, 1852-57, 1867-73, 1880-93, 1920-30 and 1998-2001. We have also experienced six depressions. They began in 1819, 1837, 1857, 1873, 1893 and 1929.

Do you see the correlation? The one exception to this pattern occurred in the late 1990s and early 2000s, when the dot-com and housing bubbles fueled a consumption binge that delayed the harmful effects of the Clinton surpluses until the Great Recession of 2007-09.

Why does something that sounds like good economics — balancing the budget and paying down debt — end up harming the economy? The answers may surprise you.

Spending is the lifeblood of our economy. Without it, there would be no sales, and without sales, no profits and no reason for any private firm to produce anything for the marketplace. We tend to forget that one person’s spending becomes another person’s income. At its most basic level, macroeconomics teaches that spending creates income, income creates sales and sales create jobs.

And creating jobs is what we need to do. Until the fiscal cliff distracted us, we all understood that. Today, we have roughly 3.4 people competing for every available job in America. The unemployment rate is like a macroeconomic thermometer — when it registers a high rate, it’s an indication that the deficit is too small.

So in our current circumstance — a growing but fragile economy — policymakers are wrong to focus on the fact that there is a deficit. It’s just a symptom.

Instituting tax increases and spending cuts will pull the rug out from under consumers, thereby disrupting the income-sales-jobs relationship. Slashing trillions from the deficit will only depress spending for years to come, worsening unemployment and setting back economic growth.

Conveying this is an uphill battle. The public has been badly misinformed. We do not have a debt crisis, and our deficit is not a national disgrace. We are not at the mercy of the Chinese, and we’re in no danger of becoming Greece. That’s because the U.S. government is not like a household, or a private business, or a municipality, or a country in the Eurozone. Those entities are all users of currency; the U.S. government is an issuer of currency. It can never run out of its own money or face the kinds of problems we face when our books don’t balance.

The effort to balance the books that’s at the heart of the fiscal cliff is simply misguided.

Instead of butting heads over whose taxes to raise and which programs to cut, lawmakers should be haggling over how to use the tool of a federal deficit to boost incomes, employment and growth.

That’s the balancing act we need.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: deficitspending
"Instead of butting heads over whose taxes to raise and which programs to cut, lawmakers should be haggling over how to use the tool of a federal deficit to boost incomes, employment and growth."
1 posted on 01/01/2013 4:43:44 PM PST by gunsequalfreedom
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Oh my. The Stupid is strong with this one.


2 posted on 01/01/2013 4:48:09 PM PST by Drill Thrawl (We have crossed the line from independence & liberty to dependency & servitude. We are doomed)
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To: Drill Thrawl

I’ve been in a debate with a relative visiting for the holidays over this one.


3 posted on 01/01/2013 4:51:00 PM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

All it is paper, it is backed by nothing, it is simply and easy way to carry around what you want to trade for something of value. All the fed needs do is print more of the stuff, no country on earth has paper money backed by anything, the value is in the thing you trade the money for.

All this fiscal cliff stuff is nothing but a smoke screen, same with the national debt. It is being used as a distraction, a distraction against what is the question.

Opps planes fueled, gotta go.


4 posted on 01/01/2013 5:08:04 PM PST by Matthew10 (spare the horsewhip, spoil the congressman Proverbs 32:7)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

The whole issue is phoney. Obambi spends money like a drunken sailor (sorry sailors), and then screams about obstructionist Republicans who won’t pay his bills. If he hadn’t spent money he didn’t have (and R’s didn’t want spent), there wouldn’t be a problem. The only REAL problem is Obama and his Socialist spending.


5 posted on 01/01/2013 5:13:33 PM PST by holyscroller ( Without God, America is one nation under)
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To: gunsequalfreedom
Let me guess, this guy has a side business selling Wheelbarrows.
7 posted on 01/01/2013 5:17:05 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (I don't Trust a Government that doesn't Trust me. How about you Comrade?)
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To: Kickass Conservative
Let me guess, this guy has a side business selling Wheelbarrows.

Yeah, and some of us will get rich selling rope to hang politicians. CWII is coming.

8 posted on 01/01/2013 5:24:15 PM PST by roadcat
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To: gunsequalfreedom
"The public has been badly misinformed. We do not have a debt crisis,...the U.S. government is an issuer of currency. It can never run out of its own money or face the kinds of problems we face when our books don’t balance."

LOL! After the default conclusion, maybe she'll learn to iron shirts.


9 posted on 01/01/2013 5:30:12 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom
The unemployment rate is like a macroeconomic thermometer — when it registers a high rate, it’s an indication that the deficit is too small.

That's the problem - our deficit is too small. Facepalm. This is modern economic theory from an expert in the field.

10 posted on 01/01/2013 5:32:56 PM PST by shove_it (the 0bama regime are the people Huxley, Orwell and Rand warned us about)
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To: Kickass Conservative
"Let me guess, this guy has a side business selling Wheelbarrows."

Nope. Imagine a writer with a little less brain weight, then read comment #9.


11 posted on 01/01/2013 5:34:02 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Drill Thrawl; gunsequalfreedom
The author is demostrbably wrong wrt to the Gingrich/Clinton surplus not being followed by a recession.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_2000s_recession

But to answer the authors premise, why not just keeping running (largely) domestically funded debt? Of course as long as we can print money there will be no default. Which is the reason...it leads to monetary collapse and inflation.

12 posted on 01/01/2013 5:34:21 PM PST by Red Dog #1
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Whoever wrote this article is guilty of some very sloppy research. Economic data compiled by the National Bureau of Economic Research doesn’t even begin until the mid 1800s. There are only two time periods that are generally considered depressions (and even these are very debatable as data is unreliable/incomplete)...from 1807-1810, and from 1815-1821. There are numerous recessionary periods but the vast majority last one-two years (with very few lasting 3 years). The author has an agenda.


13 posted on 01/01/2013 5:59:14 PM PST by Bishop_Malachi (Liberal Socialism - A philosophy which advocates spreading a low standard of living equally.)
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To: Red Dog #1

Exactly. I mean why do we even need savings and capital markets? In fact, why do we even need taxes? Just monetize all government expenditures through the central bank. Would this make voters ultra-happy? Don’t tax anyone and just hand them freshly-printed cash.


14 posted on 01/01/2013 6:02:19 PM PST by Bishop_Malachi (Liberal Socialism - A philosophy which advocates spreading a low standard of living equally.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Guy sounds like Krugman...We owe more than $16 Trillion, but everything would be peachy keen if only we owed $20 Trillion.


15 posted on 01/01/2013 6:12:15 PM PST by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: csmusaret

I went to the website where this article was posted. It’s full of MMTers (Modern Monetary Theorists). This “movement”, if you will, is almost cult-like in its devotion. They think that government debt/deficits have no significant, negative consequences. Therefore, they should be used with impunity to stimulate the economy.


16 posted on 01/01/2013 6:18:34 PM PST by Bishop_Malachi (Liberal Socialism - A philosophy which advocates spreading a low standard of living equally.)
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To: Kickass Conservative
Let me guess, this guy has a side business selling Wheelbarrows.

That was what I said to my relative who is promoting this person.

17 posted on 01/01/2013 6:49:21 PM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

When interest payments exceed revenue, the system stops.


18 posted on 01/01/2013 6:54:45 PM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: ctdonath2
When interest payments exceed revenue, the system stops.

In the mean time, those interest payments represent very non-productive expenditures.

I'm trying to remember where I read the stages of the actual stopping point. It comes before the point interest payments exceed revenue. It was a thread here on FR. At the point interest payments severely impact ability to fund basic government functions.

19 posted on 01/01/2013 7:13:39 PM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Yes, it stops somewhere before then. It is at least a hard line which nobody can argue beyond. It’s a reality check for idiots.


20 posted on 01/01/2013 7:21:41 PM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: Bishop_Malachi

If debt is so good I wonder how we are in such bad shape with a debt as big ours.


21 posted on 01/01/2013 7:44:25 PM PST by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: csmusaret
If debt is so good I wonder how we are in such bad shape with a debt as big ours.

According to the author it is because our debt is not big enough.

22 posted on 01/02/2013 10:59:57 AM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom
Let's accept his misguided premise and his slanted data... he is STILL demonstrably off-base with his conclusion.

The total national debt was only higher than 100% of annual GDP once before in our history, and that was during WWII (when we were financing massive supply dumps into Russia and England so that their children could die at the ends of Nazi machine guns instead of our children... a pretty good purchase, considering... and we paid the debt back down to 40% within 6 years).

Pelosi and Reid took over Congress with the ratio at 43% in 2007. It's now at 105%, in just 5 years. The IMF calls 125% as "unsustainable". Only 10 nations have a higher ratio right now, and most of them are in sever financial trouble (and most of the rest are tiny Caribbean island-nations). We are not currently paying 40 million Europeans to die in our place, and we are not about to enter an era where we have the the vast majority of the world's modern manufacturing plants that don't have bomb damage.

The "tool" of deficit spending may be occasionally useful... but as in all things (even milk consumption), too much can be fatal. We are nearing the practical limits, but the Left wants to race Forward anyway. Idiots.

23 posted on 01/02/2013 11:18:54 AM PST by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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