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Pelosi: House can pass bill with Democratic help (Boehner surrenders to Pelosi, too...)
Washington Post ^ | 1/1/13 | Rachel Weiner

Posted on 01/01/2013 4:58:30 PM PST by jimbo123

Echoing her words at a press conference earlier in the day, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) called Tuesday afternoon for an up-or-down vote on the “fiscal cliff” deal passed by the Senate. She wrote on Twitter that she was confident the bill would pass the House with a “strong majority” of House Democrats.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: boehner; house; pelosi

1 posted on 01/01/2013 4:58:35 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

Bonehead should turn the gavel over to Pelosi. She is running the show
in the house anyway. Bonehead is simply a tool for the K-Street Money
Changers.


2 posted on 01/01/2013 5:01:49 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: jimbo123

I think they only need 26 Republicans to pass this. Have at it!
HL Mencken, I think you can kinda see where he was coming from when he said back in the day: “Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance. No one in this world, so far as I know—and I have researched the records for years, and employed agents to help me—has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.”


3 posted on 01/01/2013 5:02:42 PM PST by griswold3 (Big Government does not tolerate rivals.)
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To: jimbo123

I think they only need 26 Republicans to pass this. Have at it!
HL Mencken, I think you can kinda see where he was coming from when he said back in the day: “Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance. No one in this world, so far as I know—and I have researched the records for years, and employed agents to help me—has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.”


4 posted on 01/01/2013 5:02:55 PM PST by griswold3 (Big Government does not tolerate rivals.)
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5 posted on 01/01/2013 5:04:10 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

Tax increases now for future spending cuts. Are they REALLY that stupid?


6 posted on 01/01/2013 5:08:27 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The one thing that Hollywood gets right about guns is that crminals will always get them.)
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To: jimbo123

Maybe we should call him Boner Bender. I guess we know which team he’s taking one for.


7 posted on 01/01/2013 5:10:07 PM PST by A Strict Constructionist (We're an Oligrachy...Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: jimbo123

Perhaps Boehner should look into amendments - at least enough that the bill looks like something a patriotic American would support and not the usual socialist class-warfare drivel.


8 posted on 01/01/2013 5:10:20 PM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: jimbo123

The only thing that could possible save this country is if a huge majority of people would accept that both parties are as phony as a bunch of three dollar bills. They go to cash in. Even most of the so called Tea Party congress people. They cower to the elite as soon as they get there. Why? Because they want to be re-elected and keep getting the perks.

The proof is that every Tea Partier in congress should have been screaming to high heaven about West getting screwed. But they left him to the wolves.

A brand new party is the only answer. And it’s probably too late. But I really don’t know why I care. I’m too old to give a damn anymore.


9 posted on 01/01/2013 5:11:49 PM PST by Terry Mross (I'm here for the entertainment.. And I know there are people I don't like who read my posts.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

We are witnessing the ‘political’ Appomattox of this country. Forces lead by McConnell and Boehner have surrender on the hope that they will be able to salvage more in future meetings.

The election was the time for a change in leadership but we didn’t get it. Now, it will not happen either. There will be no revolution by any politician in the House or Senate.

The fix is in. All the players are lining up and applauding each other for avoiding ....


10 posted on 01/01/2013 5:17:48 PM PST by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: Blood of Tyrants

You just know in a few months when they have the Debt Ceiling vote the Republicans will get ZERO spending cuts..the Dems once again play the GOP like a fiddle..Boehner is such a disgrace


11 posted on 01/01/2013 5:17:59 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Blood of Tyrants
The GOP leadership knows what they're doing - its all theater calculated to give them deniability & gets them re-elected.

Whenever some poor deluded republican freshman actually believes cutting the size of government is a worthy goal we know how the leadership reacts.

12 posted on 01/01/2013 5:18:37 PM PST by skeeter
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To: jimbo123

The House will pass it without amendment


13 posted on 01/01/2013 5:21:43 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: jimbo123
It's the Washington Post trying to mold public opinion.

Of course the bill will pass with help from the marxists.
They vote in lockstep. The republicans are all over the map. If they could all work together, they could control the government from the house chambers.

14 posted on 01/01/2013 5:22:33 PM PST by oldbrowser (They are marxists, don't call them democrats)
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To: jimbo123

Just as I predicted when plan B was killed, but I didnt expect the crappy replacement to extend all that spending. This bill is crap.


15 posted on 01/01/2013 5:23:42 PM PST by sickoflibs (Dems go for results, meaning winning. Rs go for symbolism and whining about losing.)
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To: jimbo123

complete capitulation


16 posted on 01/01/2013 5:24:07 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

“Tax increases now for future spending cuts. Are they REALLY that stupid?”

May I assume your question is just rhetorical?


17 posted on 01/01/2013 5:30:51 PM PST by Wisconsinlady (The only thing to stop a bad person with a gun, is a good person with a gun.)
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To: K-oneTexas
Forces lead by McConnell and Boehner have surrender on the hope that they will be able to salvage more in future meetings.

They never fought so it would be inaccurate to say they surrendered. Besides the ONLY thing they hope for is to salvage reelection. Boner and Canker are vile, deadly diseases.

18 posted on 01/01/2013 5:31:01 PM PST by Founding Father (The Pedophile moHAMmudd (PBUH---Pigblood be upon him))
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19 posted on 01/01/2013 5:35:39 PM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: skeeter
The GOP leadership knows what they're doing - its all theater calculated to give them deniability & gets them re-elected.

Very well stated. The Tea Partiers wanted to force some amendments, Boner and his ilk wouldn't agree to vote for the amendments, hence the straight up or down vote, knowing all the while they will have about 180 Dimwit votes. So this bill will pass with a coalition of dems and republican leadership (although chickensh*t Canker will have the cover to vote against it).

The real problem was the complete capitulation of the republican senators.

20 posted on 01/01/2013 5:36:35 PM PST by Founding Father (The Pedophile moHAMmudd (PBUH---Pigblood be upon him))
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To: jimbo123

Told ya.

Pitiful.


21 posted on 01/01/2013 5:38:03 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: Blood of Tyrants

“Tax increases now for future spending cuts. Are they REALLY that stupid?”

Yep.


22 posted on 01/01/2013 5:41:15 PM PST by jch10 (I am a RINO....soon to be No Party Assigned.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Tax increases now for future spending cuts. Are they REALLY that stupid?

YES YES YES YES!!!

23 posted on 01/01/2013 5:50:29 PM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Don Corleone

All that was not won on this round can be had in negotiating the increase of the debt ceiling. BHO has no leverage on that one, but Boehner and McConnell will likely blow that too.


24 posted on 01/01/2013 6:39:33 PM PST by Phillipian (Post Tenebras Lux)
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To: Founding Father

You can surrender without being in a fight. The Pubbies never put up a fight.

Studying history: During the War of 1812, American General William Hull surrenders Fort Detroit and his army to the British without a fight; In May 1782 the British commander at Nassau, John Maxwell decided to surrender the island without a fight when confronted by the superior force.

The Pubbies never had their heart into protecting the American Public ... as you said they only want to salvage their jobs, their positions.

They can’t even put up a fake front convincingly. Their heart isn’t in it. Many have no convictions to stand by ... just the spur of the party line they’ve bought into.


25 posted on 01/01/2013 6:39:57 PM PST by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: Founding Father

I think I am going to put return to sender on all of my Republican mail. This whole thing has turned into a joke at the expense of God loving, God fearing, hard working, taxpayers. If God only requires 10 percent (and it is all his anyway including our next breath). . .why should we give the government more than that. Maybe they are being threatened with blackmail. . .who knows.


26 posted on 01/01/2013 6:45:19 PM PST by Maudeen (Proverbs 3:5-6)
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To: jimbo123

I don’t know what anybody expected. After Boehner couldn’t get the republicans to vote for ANY of their own bills, and he couldn’t even get a majority to amend the Senate bill with spending cuts, what other choice does he have?

It is clear there are enough republicans who will support this plan, and since the conservatives have proven they will provide no support for anything that can pass, this is essentially what the conservatives have worked to achieve.

Certainly we are all smart enough to know this. If you wanted to push for purity, this was exactly what we were pushing for. A horrible bill, but it doesn’t have conservative support.

It remains to be seen if this is better than participating in the process.


27 posted on 01/01/2013 7:02:02 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

RINO begone!


28 posted on 01/01/2013 7:07:09 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: Founding Father

Each and every one of those Republican Senators who voted for this monstrosity need to be voted out of office! Ditto to any GOP Representative in the House who votes for it.

At the VERY LEAST, if that Surrender Monkey gets this bill passed with all the Democrat votes and a minority of his own party, HE SHOULD BE VOTED OUT OF THE SPEAKER’S POSITION!!

I can;t BELIEVE this is going on!

I have said it before and say it again, the GOP must be destroyed at this point. Only conservatives in that party deserve our votes and our money.


29 posted on 01/01/2013 7:19:12 PM PST by ZULU (See video: http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-first-siege-of-vienna.html)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Why didn’t Boehner make “Plan B” just a little more acceptable to conservatives?

Do you think it wise to cut them out of participation?

(For goodness sake he could have got it passed if it had a cut on Big Bird in it- even Romney wasn’t afraid to come out for that!)

Why should the Party fight so hard to protect the few RINOs?


30 posted on 01/01/2013 7:29:41 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: jimbo123

The stone simple fact is that NOTHING is going to pass that includes any cuts in social security, medicaid, medicare or Obamacare.

Not now, not in 25 years.

At 51 I know of not a single person who will settle for one inflation adjusted cent less than the people 10, 20 pr 30 years older are receiving or have received. Anyone belonging to any party other than the Democratic had best come to terms with that fact or go through being the Bad Guys every single year when we go through this crap.

I’m not making a value judgement, I’m merely stating a fact. There will be nothing resembling an ‘entitlement’ cut, not now, not in the future, because the Democrats and the moderate Republicans will face sheer hell from their constituents, tea party or no tea party.

This is the new reality. No one my age, that is near but under retirement age is going to support anything that even vaguely resembles a reduction. At least not enough of them to make the slightest difference in the electoral makeup of the federal government.

I’m sure there are a few people who will just say some blather like “Just give me what I paid into it and let me go on my way”. Not going to happen. This is the political reality.

Very few in my generation have been able to, or really even tried, to provide for a retirement that doesn’t take into account Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and related programs. Whatever else the government is “supposed” to do it has no choice about doing this.

Just a cranky, Gen X’er who has pretty much gotten used to the Republicans looking like extras in a three stooges movie when the pies start flying.

Flame away; I got flamed aplenty when I said the polls showed The One was going to win, laughed all the way to Vegas.


31 posted on 01/01/2013 7:35:29 PM PST by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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Seriously. If you believed that the stand to not increase any taxes was going to lead to a permanent extension of the Bush tax rates, you are an idiot.

I don’t think you are idiot. The argument was that conservatives would not vote for anything BUT a full extension of all the tax rates, and therefore would force the democrats to pass the tax increase, and therefore they would own the tax increases.

That is what happened — in the house anyway, where a majority of the republicans voted against the bill.

There were only two outcomes possible:
- The conservatives compromise on some set of tax rates higher than the expired Bush rates
- The conservatives refuse to compromise, and a set of tax rates supported by democrats will pass.

The 3rd option, continuation of the existing Bush tax law, meaning all the tax rates reverting to their year-2000 level (adjusted for inflation), was never going to happen, because it was clear the democrats had enough support from republicans to keep taxes from going up for most taxpayers.

So if you thought that by holding out, we’d get taxes increased for everybody, you would also be an idiot.

When you control only 1/2 of the legislature, and don’t have the presidency, and current law includes a huge tax increase (meaning you can’t stop it by simply not passing something), and a majority of the people oppose your plan, it is impossible to get everything that you want.

So you either compromise, or let the other side do what they want. We essentially chose the latter, although frankly given that we ceded control, we did better than I would have expected.

I think we could have gotten the highest tax bracket set higher, and I think we could have included real spending cuts, if conservatives would have voted for the bill with the tax increase. But they wouldn’t, and so we had no bargaining leverage, and we were stuck with what we were stuck with.

Now we’ll see if that strategy worked. The democrats own the new tax rates. I don’t see how we make them pay for that, but we’ll see.


32 posted on 01/02/2013 9:26:59 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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RINO begone!


33 posted on 01/02/2013 9:41:27 AM PST by jimbo123
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