Skip to comments.Obama: No More Debt Ceiling (Assumes Dictatorial Powers)
Posted on 01/02/2013 2:36:56 AM PST by broken_arrow1
Speaking Jan. 1 at the White House at 11:20 p.m., less than an hour after the House voted 257 to 167 to approve new tax hikes, President Barack Obama announced that he will assert the authority to raise the debt ceiling for spending approved by Congress.
One last point I want to make, said the president flanked by Vice-President Joseph R. Biden Jr., whose Capitol Hill summitry closed the deal on a fiscal cliff compromise. I will negotiate over many things, I will not have another debate with this Congress over whether or not they should pay the bills, they have already racked up through the laws they have passed.
This is a critical pivot for the president, who previously dismissed the idea floated among liberals that Section 4 of the 14th Amendment, one of the three amendments passed at the end of the Civil War, authorizes the executive to borrow the funds to make good federal debt payments.
It reads: The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned
This is the second time the administration has wielded the debt ceiling as a hammer against the Republicans in Congress.
As official Washington bugged out of town for Christmas, Secretary of the Treasury Timothy F. Geithner sent a Dec. 23 letter, late in the afternoon, to all members of Congress alerting them that the current statutory debt ceiling of $16.394 trillion would be reached Dec. 31.
Although Geithner conceded in the text of the letter that the Treasury could keep the government running past the end of the year, the surprise letter signaled a new level of brinksmanship.
Obama framed his assumption of the authority to borrow funds, regardless of a statutory debt ceiling, in the context of the upcoming fight to raise ita fight Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R.-S.C.) called Round 2 becuase the senator said Republicans had been beaten in the negotiations to avoid the fiscal cliff or Round 1.
The president was direct. Either Congress raises the debt ceiling or he will go ahead and borrow the money to pay the bills on his own in order to avoid damage to the U.S. and world economies.
Let me repeat, you cant not pay bills that we have already incurred, he said.
In Congress refuses to the United States government the ability to pay these bills on-time, the consequences for the entire global economy would be catastrophicfar worse than the impact of a fiscal cliff, he said.
People will remember back in 2011, the last time this course of action was threatened, our entire recovery was put at risk, he said.
We cant go down that path again.
Overthrow this evil regime and rid the White Hut of this marxist moron!
a fight Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R.-S.C.) called Round 2 becuase the senator said Republicans had been beaten in the negotiations to avoid the fiscal cliff or Round 1.
I’m sure Obama is scared of another fight with the Republicans Miss Lindsey....After all you have only CAVED on everything else!
Another mis-direction by O. We can pay all of the bills - debts - but we have no obligation to pay for all of the genreal government. Just like the cliff was not really about tax increases teh debt cieling isn’t really about defaulting on our debts.
I understand now why the Romans attacked Caesar on the steps.
No one will stop him. A dictator rises.
I will negotiate over many things, I will not have another debate with this Congress over whether or not they should pay the bills, they have already racked up through the laws they have passed.”
Another grab for extra-Constitutional power by the marxist 0bama. And still the sheeple watch, lulled into dull acquiescence by the music stored on their 0bama-phones.
This obvious threat needs to be met with appropriate force to ensure this anti-American socialist gets the message very clearly.
Thats an interesting mind exercise. Would the modern day Brutus be Biden? Hillary? Al Sharpton? Oprah? The MSM? Would any of Obama's closest confidants betray him? I dunno. Its just too hard to imagine any of them turning on Obama because of his unrestrained power grabs. They love him the more for it. :p
Brutus was an honorable man...none of those folks fill the bill by any stretch of the imagination.
There ya go! You win that mental exercise. There is no Brutus.
Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
Clearly, no rational reading of section 4 of the 14th amendment, especially as amplified by section 5, could conceivably lead to the conclusion that the president United States has gained any authority whatsoever over the payment of the country's debts which is hosted elsewhere in the Constitution in the Congress. The United States, the country operating under the Articles of Confederation, and the Continental Congress all have a well-documented history of not paying, or paying late, their debts. One need only consider the travail of the patriots at Valley Forge to acknowledge this historical fact. Moreover, section 5 explicitly designates Congress, not the President, as the governmental agency to have the power to enforce the provisions of the article which, of course, includes section 4.
This grant of power to Congress implies an absence of power in the executive, or the judiciary, the bureaucracy, or the states. There is no plausible reading except that the vesting of the power in Congress is exclusive to Congress. Multiple centers of power with the capacity to pay out the wealth of the United States government would clearly lead to economic chaos and could not be tolerated. Moreover, any other reading does violence to the rest of the Constitution which places the purse in Congress.
In any real world litigation in the Supreme Court concerning such a potential usurpation of political power by the executive, the court would enforce the plain meaning of the document and rule against Obama. But we do not live in a real-world of litigation before the Supreme Court, we live in a Kafkaesque environment in which justices like Chief Justice Roberts are liable to go way off the reservation and find all manner of fantastic constitutional justification for further contorting the Constitution. In the final analysis, we cannot rely on the Supreme Court to protect the integrity of the Constitution.
Nevertheless, Obama is probably not serious in these threats, he is most likely starting a campaign to make Congress out as a radical, out-of-control bunch of fanatics in thrall to The Tea Party which requires a Savior to ride in on a white horse and save the Republic.
The House of Representatives will face a stark choice: if it does not go to the wall on the issue of the debt, there will finally be a rupture in the Republican Party. If Obama can peel off enough Republicans to vote with the Democrats, as he has done with the fiscal cliff settlement, he will have achieved his goal of fracturing the Republican Party, dividing fiscal conservatives from "moderates," and rendering all opposition to his administration utterly irrelevant. In short, on this issue Boehner and the leadership of the House of Representatives must fight and die if necessary but they cannot compromise in any manner which is reminiscent of their cave-in last night.
"The battle of France's over and the battle of Britain must now begin," said and embattled but pugnacious Winston Churchill. The battle over the fiscal cliff is over and the battle over the debt ceiling must be fought and won. The battle starts now. Every elected Republican should be backing one plan, a reasonable plan, and not negotiate another step.
If the president will not accept the plan, which should be along the lines of that proposed by Paul Ryan, the president will have the option of watching the fault or taking unilateral action. Either way, the president will be the focus of a serious crisis.
Republicans, in contrast, are already in bad odor with the electorate and have very little more to lose -except their base and their party.
There are...but we just found out there may not be (m)any in the halls of Congress
They are using some strategies we recognize, but even some progressives are starting to realize the endgame is not what they thought. In fact, it is being done ‘wrong’ per se.
Freeper Lorianne posted this the other day:
Wake Up Call Next Bubble To Burst: Government Spending
As usual there is a bevy of FReepers that made comments, but I doubt they took the time to listen to the podcast given the source. I did listen to the podcast and was pretty shocked at the point of view being espoused. If what this guy says is true according to the progressive agenda, then I'm not sure where the regime is taking us?
I know it is not gross incompetence, because too many pieces of legislation fit together for a controlled collapse. But...my concern about what emerges post collapse is changing based on that podcast. If the useful idiots are just now realizing something is horribly wrong...then where are we really going? What is the real endgame?
Because it is NOT anything we currently think it is. Destruction of the Republic is not the war, it is just another battle in the game.
We cannot just overthrow Obama.
We need to replace every SOB on the Hill, AND the Supreme Court.
Obama has taken dictatorial powers on himself —certainly-—but they have let him do it.
Our Government when it works is one of the most perfect forms of Government, But it isn’t working.
Cowardice and cronyism and the comforts of office have blended to destroy the system.
We need to replace every a-hole in that system with Patriots. Right now there isn’t one in the whole stinking mess.
All the weasels have worked overtime to override the U. S. Constitution even using it for toilet paper.
Since they’ve proven that the Constitution is irrelevant and overrideable then the whole rotten institution needs to be tossed into the Potomac.
But I feel better for having written it.
I will check that out.
Is the end game “world communism”? Or is it “NWO/CFR/reptillians?”
The richest/most powerful have always run the world. It doesn’t make them the most competent.
That's there only legitimate function, Mr. Obamugabe.
Whaaa, I won’t compromise. I WILL get my way. If I don’t get my way, I’ll stomp my feet and hold my breath!
No, it is not anything like that conspiracy stuff. The truth is I don't know, literally don't know, what is being put together to even hazard a guess. I just found it profoundly odd that the guys remarks were ...just as stressed as we are as conservatives.
You may disagree with my compentence remark, but I stand by it. So many things "they" have put in place that are now only falling out decades later into our reality. I posted to a freeper last week about how the whole philosophy of playing games so they are fair, instead of to win, to build up a child's self-esteem was actually a propanda indoctrination program to destroy self-esteem.
Like I said, I'm not trying to be conspiratorial, but I don't think their endgame is so obvious anymore. That podcast was a game changer for my perception of what is happening to us. And while I know I don't like it one bit, I'm not sure where we're even headed...
Thanks, I will have to check it out after work.
This I do know;
We have been under a long term brainwashing program for years. Since the professors and elites traveled to the Soviet Union in the 1920’s we have become more Soviet. The methods of transforming the United States were customized for us. We have been the most well armed and liberty aware country on earth. It just took longer. We are almost fully Soviet now, the only reason we are not carted off to the gulgs is because we are ineffective.
“Another grab for extra-Constitutional power by the marxist 0bama. And still the sheeple watch, lulled into dull acquiescence by the music stored on their 0bama-phones.”
Suit must be filed in the Supreme Court immediately if Obama attempts this power grab. Oh, that’s right, John Roberts is Chief turncoat Justice. Well, forget that idea.
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