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1 posted on 01/02/2013 5:38:24 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

That’s a very good point about military might not necessarily being paramount in determining the outcome of a conflict. The VietCong certainly did not possess an advantage in military firepower over US troops. The mujahadeen (sp?) rebels in Afghanistan facing the Red Army were certainly outgunned. Even the insurgents in Iraq prior to the surge were outgunned by our troops. It didn’t really matter in any of those cases.

Further, I think that the distinction between civilian arms and military ones is even less relevant in the US. The military does not take an oath to be loyal to any individual, but rather an oath to preserve, protect and defend the US Constitution. If a government were to blatantly usurp the Constitution, I think you would have a large contingent of the US military opposing the usurper, so military arms would likely be available to the resistance.


2 posted on 01/02/2013 5:47:36 AM PST by stremba
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To: Kaslin

Last evening while driving, I just happened to hear a short portion of Schmidt on the radio. He spoke extensively on how the Democrats passed gun laws to keep them from blacks. And how the Dred Scott case included arguments that “if blacks were citizens, then they would get 2nd Amendment rights.

I’m looking for articles on this topic. Any links would be appreciated.

I’ve always found that the best way to argue for your own point is to show that it was also your opponents argument!


3 posted on 01/02/2013 5:49:41 AM PST by tired&retired
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To: Kaslin

Instead of “British”, read “our government”, which the British were at the time. Clearly, “our government” meant us no good in the 18th century and “our government” means us no good in the 21st.


4 posted on 01/02/2013 6:04:09 AM PST by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything)
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Will look up “ignorance” in the dictionary later today to see if an illustration of Rep. John Lewis, D-GA is included.

On the other hand, I might look up Guam . . .


5 posted on 01/02/2013 6:07:31 AM PST by Arm_Bears (Ted Kennedy's Oldsmobile has killed more people than my guns.)
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To: Kaslin

No John, the British are not coming - you are, and people like you that want to control every aspect of our lives, determine and limit what we can and cannot have based on what you think we “need.” Gee, that sounds an awful lot like communism - from each according to his ability, to each according to his need. Only you want to be the more equal ones determining need. NFW. So yes, we absolutely need not only our weapons and ammunition, we undeniably need the freedom to own them. As soon as we start letting little national socialists like you limit us, we are no longer free.


6 posted on 01/02/2013 6:11:15 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Kaslin

Representative Lewis, the British may not be coming, but the Obamunists are. They are the reason for the Second Amendment.


7 posted on 01/02/2013 6:27:28 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Kaslin
Hubert you magnificent bastard!:

"The right of the citizen to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against the tyranny which now appears remote in America but which historically has proven to be always possible."

8 posted on 01/02/2013 6:40:01 AM PST by frogjerk (Obama Claus is coming to town!)
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There have been people who've ridiculed the protections afforded by the Second Amendment, asking what chance would citizens have against the military might of the U.S. government.

Isn't this in fact an argument for legalizing heavy weapons?

9 posted on 01/02/2013 6:43:33 AM PST by tentmaker (Galt's Gulch is a state of mind...)
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To Rep. John Lewis:

The British may not be coming, but what they represented, oppressive government that will not countenance opposition, most surely is. The very things that drove the colonists of what was to become the “United States of America” into rebellion against King George, are operating yet today, with the Federal governmental oligarchy now substituting themselves to impress the kind of intimidation and oppression the King once visited upon the colonial people.

“No Taxation without Representation” was the cry then, but even with representation, unjust and inequitable taxes are still being laid upon us, seemingly without a maximum limit. What the Federal government is spending, so far outstrips our ability to raise through taxation, as to eventually leave the nation vulnerable to its creditors. As one of the biggest creditors is the entity created supposedly as a partner to the Federal government, the Federal Reserve system, we are at their mercy. In essence, we are handing over our sovereignty to the creditors (of which, some of the other major investors are foreign countries).

Theoretically, the Federal Reserve COULD call for fiscal discipline of the Federal government, but as the governors of that board are subject to political pressure, the argument is completely circular. If political pressure is such that no such discipline shall be applied, it won’t happen.

The colonists seceded from the British Empire, and in doing so, created a whole new vision of just what government was and ought to be. “Of the people, by the people, and for the people”, despite the brave words of Abraham Lincoln, is in very real danger of perishing from the earth, as the oligarchy in Washington, DC grows ever more imperial.

That entity known as “the United States of America” is fractionating even as we discuss the point, and a new secession seems to be in order, to free ourselves from the imperialism that reigns in our nation’s capital. One of the strangest empires the world has ever seen, this oligarchy exerts great pressure to “reconstruct” all that the ideals of America once stood for, seemingly unable to refrain from meddling in the most minute of affairs. The systemic war on families, children and women, for the greater aggrandization of ruthless politicians who have used the doctrines and power of nefarious plutocrats to inveigle and flatter their way into positions of influence and invulnerability, has been continuous and unrelenting.

Divide that entity known as “the United States of America” in separate republics, one group of which may set up whatever kind of cockamamie rules they believe shall best represent THEIR interests, while the vast majority of the territory, represented on the electoral maps as “red” country, and which is virtually contiguous, as the inheritors of the vision of what was once America. The Constitution still applies there, and the words of the Declaration of Independence are reaffirmed.

We can do this. And someday, we shall have to. That day cannot come any too soon.


10 posted on 01/02/2013 6:51:43 AM PST by alloysteel (Bronco Bama - the cowboy who whooped up and widened the stampede.)
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Mr. Lewis objects to the 2nd Amendment because Eric Holder's people consider crime to be a legitimate career path, and armed victims to be an OSHA violation.
11 posted on 01/02/2013 6:56:43 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("More law, less justice." --Cicero)
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To: Kaslin

They are coming after your guns today. They will come for YOU tomorrow.

Remember Germany’s national socialists.


12 posted on 01/02/2013 7:10:25 AM PST by Joe Bfstplk
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To: Kaslin
The British are not coming....

Yes, but the a$$clowns are. And that's enough.

13 posted on 01/02/2013 7:40:23 AM PST by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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You think like dictators, forcing your ideology upon us from light bulbs, to our kids lunch, to global warming, to every aspect of our health care including death panels. You want to manage every aspect of our lives and thoughts. You restrict travel more and more. You set up VIPR checkpoints on highways to harrass us. You impede our ability to carry large amount of money. You demand foreign banks like the swiss to reveal everything about our accounts that have historically been private.

As a government, you lie to us almost constantly, and about everything. We can see it easily. It’s a joke, and a theme is most movies. Today only an idiot assumes the government leaders are honest.

Bearing all of this in mind, now you say you want to remove our guns from us? No, you seem like a dictator, so especially YOU may not have them. Go make love to yourself.


15 posted on 01/02/2013 9:17:32 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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What good is an army that has to fight in their own country against an enemy that looks like them, talks like them and lives in the same cities as their relatives?

How do the elites know that their house keeper Maria, didn't just have a favorite uncle on her mother's side killed in a raid ordered by said elite and now she is about to serve the morning orange juice with a little arsenic?

Unless the elites can shut the whole country down and kill everyone, they can't win. Retribution will be very ugly.

17 posted on 01/02/2013 6:47:52 PM PST by metalurgist ( Want your country back? It'll take guns and rope. Marxists won't give up peaceably.)
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To: Kaslin
There have been people who've ridiculed the protections afforded by the Second Amendment, asking what chance would citizens have against the military might of the U.S. government.

It's not about protecting against the military might of the United States. It's about protecting against those who govern who decide that they would rather rule instead.

It's to deter the madman from trying to turn that military might against his own people, like Hussein in Iraq, or Assad in Syria, or Khaddafy in Libya.

The fact that it hasn't happened here at all is the true testament to the effectiveness of the 2nd amendment.

By the way, here is a post of mine that I post from time to time that has the Hamilton quote in its proper context.

-PJ

18 posted on 01/02/2013 7:04:40 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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