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To: IbJensen

Firearms for all at 20Kft? Are you nuts?

Just think, 3 or 4 different weapons being discharged on an aircraft from different locations...everyone would end up dying as the plane crashed to the earth, and a couple voices saying...’damn, I probably shouldn’t have done that...or, I wish you guys hadn’t done that’


2 posted on 01/02/2013 9:07:59 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: stuartcr

>> ... weapons being discharged on an aircraft ...

As a retired airline captain, I can tell you that this could have happened many times over on my flights. We often carried multiple armed federal agents, police and sheriffs (especially out the DC airports). I suspect most of them were poorly trained, and minimally qualified. “When did you last qual?” often brought on head scratching. “How many rounds have you shot in the last month?” was often taken as an insult, especially by women officers.

My advise to them was “if you have to shoot, try to do it out the side of the aircraft, not up or down. If you have to do it aiming fore and aft, make sure there’s plenty of, ah, er - impact absorbing material - beyond your intended target”.

My favorite armed flights were out of Sacramento. On Monday mornings, the state guys were “on deliveries”; taking extradited evildoers to their fates back east. Sharp guys; G0d bless ‘em all for the crap they have to put up with in their home state.


6 posted on 01/02/2013 9:27:08 AM PST by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: stuartcr

>> Firearms for all at 20Kft? Are you nuts?

How about ball peen hammers for all at 20k feet?


7 posted on 01/02/2013 9:28:53 AM PST by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: stuartcr

Unlike what you may have seen in sci fi movies, when you puncture the aluminum skin of an aircraft at altitude with a bullet it does not create a huge rip in the fuselage through which everybody in the vicinity is sucked out. It creates a neat little hole that you could patch with a wad of bubble gum - if the whistling noise is really bothering you that much.


8 posted on 01/02/2013 9:29:53 AM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to succeed is for Congress to do "something".)
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To: stuartcr

Unlike what you may have seen in sci fi movies, when you puncture the aluminum skin of an aircraft at altitude with a bullet it does not create a huge rip in the fuselage through which everybody in the vicinity is sucked out. It creates a neat little hole that you could patch with a wad of bubble gum - if the whistling noise is really bothering you that much.


9 posted on 01/02/2013 9:30:06 AM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to succeed is for Congress to do "something".)
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To: stuartcr

Seriously, are you referencing cabin pressure loss?

Physics (fluid dynamics) ain’t your best subject, is it?


15 posted on 01/02/2013 10:02:11 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Bread and Circuses; Everyone to the Coliseum!)
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To: stuartcr

Did you get your thought on this from the Alien movie where the creature is vacuumed out a tiny hole, bones and all? Yeah that could happen. The very idea keeps the astronauts in the space station up all night.


17 posted on 01/02/2013 10:13:52 AM PST by Dogbert41 (What now?)
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To: stuartcr
Just think, 3 or 4 different weapons being discharged on an aircraft from different locations...everyone would end up dying as the plane crashed to the earth...

It really doesn't matter if it's three people firing once or one person firing three times. A stray bullet puncturing the skin of the pressurized cabin does not cause "explosive decompression". Same goes for windows, just a slow leak through a tiny hole. If by some bad luck a wild round takes out the pilot there is still a copilot to land the plane. Aircraft (and their crews) depend on redundancy to enhance safety. Systems have backup systems, and sometimes the backups have backups.

If it were general knowledge that some if not all passengers were armed, potential hijackers would find some other way to make their point, like pull a bunch of spikes on an Amtrak line?

Regards,
GtG

PS Even crazy people don't shoot up a gun store.

21 posted on 01/02/2013 10:58:03 AM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: stuartcr

Up to 1972 anyone could carry a weapon on board.


22 posted on 01/02/2013 11:10:25 AM PST by capt B
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